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2012-04-01, 13:33 | Link #202 | ||
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Kagura on the other hand not so much. Mykage shipping anyone should be suspicious. Quote:
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2012-04-01, 14:09 | Link #204 | ||
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If anything, I think he finds love beautiful but in a perverse way and that perversion comes off in his actions when it comes to how he behaves. To put it simply: he loves the suffering that is brought about by love and its untimely conclusion. He takes special pleasure in this with Kagura, using it to manipulate the dog-boy.
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The simple fact that he outright mocks anyone, or tries to destroy the love of those around him speaks volumes and says that Mykage dislikes the idea of love. Heck Donar might not have even been the first time it did it in this series. Though again the fact that Fudo also has to ban love to ward him off says a lot. |
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2012-04-01, 14:47 | Link #206 | ||
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Let's also not forget that he doesn't try to kill Yunoha or Jin until after the latter's betrayal (and its not like they weren't already quite clearly in love with each other even before that), he didn't even mock them (unless I'm forgetting something?) and was seemingly quite happy that Jin was accomplishing his task. He only goes *bad* on them when Jin betrays him and Mykage is quite clear that he's pissed off about the treachery. (Now, you can say that Mykage's actions with the communicator were probably not a push in the right direction but, at the same time, neither was Jin keeping his secret for too long.) His actions with Kagura are of a similar tone: he's fueling Kagura's lustful but self-destructive desires to be reunited with Mikono. He's not encouraging a good relationship but he's also seemingly quite thrilled at the prospect of watching Kagura's love burn itself out in a blaze of glory. If he hated love, I doubt he'd go about it in such an elaborate and flamboyant way. (Similarly for Donar, he watched their love blossom and then shredded it such that he could savor that final moment. Like I said, his view on love is perverse, and he doesn't so much respect the relationship as its death throes.) Then again, he may just be a bitter old man and loves to crush people's relationships because he cannot have one himself.
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2012-04-01, 14:55 | Link #207 | |
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2012-04-01, 17:24 | Link #208 | |
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I'm not sure why Mykage transported Jin's device so that Yunoha could find it though. One the one hand he could be trying to interfere with their relationship by introducing some doubt into Yunoha's trust of Jin. But on the other hand I feel like even if Yunoha hadn't known Jin was working for the enemy before he kidnapped her she still would've forgiven him, given her personality. Maybe when Mykage saw that his plan hadn't worked out and Jin had sided with Neo DEAVA the next best thing was to either kill Yunoha or Jin to get what he wanted, which was another tragic love story. |
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2012-04-01, 17:59 | Link #209 |
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I found Mykage Killing Jin at least odd. I mean he waited him to seal the gate before killing him. So I guess his true target was to leave Kagura on Vega first. Surely Fudo lost his self control. He looked pretty shocked, but it is really hard to guess why. Does he know something big about Jin that we don't? or maybe he foresaw the likely consequences (Altair retaliations) of Jin's death.
I still think that Mykage couldn't care less about Altair and so about Jin (& Yunoha love). So for now I stick with what I can see (more or less ), he closes the door to Kagura and he killed the last hope of Altair, letting himself the chance to blaming Deava for that. And at the same time he put Altair in despair, forcing them to depend more on him and Kagura.
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2012-04-01, 18:13 | Link #210 |
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i personally think even though it might be grasping at straws, that mikage knew zen would do the mikono being holy saint mary and connect everyone with the earth cause jin is dead and needs to be burried and hence seeing where aquarion is. had kagura some how teleported there so kagura can have a looksy and perhaps a chance to steal mikono next episode.
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2012-04-02, 10:50 | Link #214 | ||
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I won't even touch reincarnations, especially since I'm sure there are going to be huge twists and whatnot...
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2012-04-02, 11:01 | Link #215 |
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I don't really think that Zen is Touma in disguise at all, nor can I imagine him being a 'teacher' to these kids. And could someone pm me the translation of the comment in the interview that was sensitive for shippers or whatever? I think it could be an interesting read for some insight as to where the plot is headed.
Given how Jin changed in such a short period of time, I can see kagura definitely changing for the better while he's with mikono, who I suspect is going to altair very soon. |
2012-04-02, 11:13 | Link #216 | |
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2012-04-02, 11:16 | Link #217 |
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kuromitsu: I'm pretty handicapped still not having seen the original, and most of what I know is either from wikipedia or from reading what other people post. That said, the sketch of the theory is that (1) "Zen" is Touma, and in fact "Zen" is just a projection (a la Mykage); (2) his real body might be in that crystal cave from ep 1 (suspiciously similar to Mykage's ice-crystal resting place); (3) his motivation is (I guess) to oversee and protect Apollonius's legacy; and from (4) his being ok with Mikono's reaction (and specifically with giving her a pass on going into the ground...) can be interpreted in a way favorable to this interpretation. Why does he decide to act like Gen? Dunno.
But here's where I go Fox News and say: "I've reported, you can decide, let's agree to disagree." The beastwolf: I'm dying to know what that is too. I don't think it's going to remain a mystery forever, and if anything I'm guessing it will have some tie in with Shu-Shu. That's interesting pingva, especially the "archaic" part. Last edited by miketyson; 2012-04-02 at 11:18. Reason: BEASTWOLF! |
2012-04-02, 11:24 | Link #218 |
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Mykage said that the wings of the sun were revealed to them. Could he imply Amata? But, that would be odd, since Aquarion is wings of the sun.
Zessica seems to believe that Mikono is the reincarnation of Sylvie, and while she's in that hole, she believes Mikono is going to abandon Amata. Amata's whole "not chosen thing" I think this might imply that he in fact might be chosen, and if we are right, that he is a part of Apollo. But, I'm going to stop myself before I go into reincarnations again. On the other hand, Mykage seems to be really pushing it. I don't think Fudo expected Kagura to appear there before them all. |
2012-04-02, 11:40 | Link #219 | |
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2012-04-02, 12:25 | Link #220 | |
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If Zen if Gen, I think we can say that Touma, Sirius, and parts of Apollo are all dead and for the most part content enough to not need to be reborn. Which, again, makes me think that Kagura is only the part of Apollo that was determined to reunite with Sylvie. It would go far to explain why he's so one tracked and so obsessed.
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As for Amata, I think the line ties back to the beginning of the show. He is the new legend. He wasn't chosen to be Apollon but someone new, and his regrets were wholly about being left behind. Which, strangely enough, parallels Sylvie's situation at the end of Aquarion more-so than Apollo or anyone else for that matter. Tie this into the fact that Sylvie's being left behind... having kids... and leading to Amata's birth would have indeed meant that the one not chosen led to the new legend (assuming Amata is from the de Alicia line... which would explain his wings and ability to pilot Aquarion). Moreover, getting left behind is what let his legend start in the first place. Zessica's concerns, while centered around Amata entirely, do seem to echo on a sense of powerlessness. On my second watch, I cannot help but feel that what terrifies her is the fact that she won't have the power to help Amata when he, seemingly, inevitably gets left behind again (or the inability to prevent it). Again, this is a parallel with how she compared herself to Yunoha. She's afraid that she'll end up in the same situation and be unable to do anything to help/prevent it/stop it. (They sure went out of their way to make her focus wholly on Amata.) Something in all of this mess of symbolism has got to be foreshadowing. But this show is so confusing with what leads to what, that its a hopeless endeavor to even guess. ... Maybe, Zessica = Wings, Mikono = Sylvie... Mikono x Zessica end? Maybe, Amata = Sylvie, Kagura = Apollon... oh god this is getting worse. I think its more a question of why he's taking a physical form of the dog. Apollo in the original story had beastly (dog-like) features in smell and his mannerisms, but they were at most characteristics or metaphors. Not literal transformations.
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