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Old 2016-06-21, 22:00   Link #1
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The Spear User that Couldn’t Become the Hero 《Protagonist》

Other name : Eiyuu 《Shuyaku》 ni Narenai Yari Tsukai , 英雄《しゅやく》になれない槍使い

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In 2031 A.D. mysterious crystal bodies referred to as 『C.E.』 attacked. Humanity was gradually pushed down the road to ruin.
This is the story of a great hero who save the Earth from destruction with his shining holy sword――not.
In history during humanity’s grimmest hour, this is the story of the overshadowed hero, a lone spear user.

In often cases, this would be a story about a cheat protagonist and his harem; but, this story is from the point-of-view of a supporting character that shows the conspiracy behind such plots.

Basically, the theme is school battles.

Personal review: as per chp 5 and a bit reading on webnovel
This is basically a fantasy story just like seirei tsukai no world break, but we see the story from the other guys, by the way the hero is a good looking gullible dick, and having an OP power (with harem too...the standard type like osananajimi, etc)
he is basically like abel from conquering hero heroines, while our MC is the pragmatic type and most of the time work behind the scene.

But....thx to some political necessity and the need for public face (idealistic hero with OP power that kill the big bad boss) our MC is not recognized and in the hero "legend" some hundred years later just become some evil delinquent that keep bothering the Hero, the hero becoming the standard edgy juvenile hero with family complex even though our MC is the one that contribute the most unknown to public. MC exploits basically only known to some people.

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Old 2016-06-21, 22:31   Link #2
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Bet you ten bucks that he was the one who actually wrote those Legends and passed them down in the future
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Old 2016-06-21, 22:44   Link #3
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just to clarify. FAQ, please.
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Old 2016-06-21, 23:01   Link #4
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FAQ ? Hmm...ill try...

Sun-snu? Nope

Harem ? Yeah, kinda

who is our MC ? A spear user that learn ancient martial artist, blessed with a legendary spear as his "noble phantasm" BTW the hero weapon is a very famous sword made by spirit thing..hehe.

The heroines? There are several...name kinda difficult to translate with MTL, maybe other like cabman can translate better.

The enemy ? Is alien being like in seirei tsukai world break, they made a lot of pillar as base of attack. Oh and there is also various politic going on behind the scene by the human using the hero as propaganda and to suit their own selfish need like targeting specific place to cause destruction dealing damage to the other party?

So basically what is our MC doing? Cleaning up after the hero and making prep for hero grand public stage of beating the big bad guy. And finding out the real trush behind the war, finishing any political conspiracy by other party trying to use the hero as puppet to kill other human. While the hero remain blissfully ignorant of EVERYTHING.
the hero basically just come-hack-slash-using OP power-done finishing the BOSS. While the rest of thing is being managed by MC and his friend including political aftercare.
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Old 2016-06-21, 23:05   Link #5
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Bet you ten bucks that he was the one who actually wrote those Legends and passed them down in the future
no...the one who write it is some guys paid by the government to create the idol hero story as propaganda
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Old 2016-06-21, 23:05   Link #6
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If I watch battle of nation, polearm match tends to be deadly with a lot of injuries, compared to sword match. Making me to think that sword is for cool looking sissies while polearm for winners.

Polearms tends to be highly regarded in other part of the world, but somehow not in Japan. I blame Tokugawa and his edo period that overvalue sword than spear or other polearms.
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Old 2016-06-21, 23:13   Link #7
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no...the one who write it is some guys paid by the government to create the idol hero story as propaganda
Cough cough MC cough cough
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Old 2016-06-21, 23:15   Link #8
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so this is kind of like flashback story?
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Old 2016-06-21, 23:17   Link #9
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actually I haven't completely read it yet but is the legend story being written in real time or a couple years after?
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Old 2016-06-21, 23:21   Link #10
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actually I haven't completely read it yet but is the legend story being written in real time or a couple years after?
It's basically real time, telling the true story while there will be chapter telling the "touched up" story from the legend of the hero book that is being analyzed by historian hundred of years later
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Old 2016-06-21, 23:23   Link #11
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No I meant that the legend is being announce to the public real time or is it being read from the far future
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Old 2016-06-21, 23:25   Link #12
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No I meant that the legend is being announce to the public real time or is it being read from the far future
Being read from far future...it's not like the public know anything anyway, the propaganda machine at the current time is just that good, they only know the hero as the hero, basically celebrity
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Old 2016-06-21, 23:26   Link #13
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So it all but confirms that MC is the author cliche
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Old 2016-06-21, 23:36   Link #14
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Heroines biography please
At least names and relation to MC
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Old 2016-06-22, 00:36   Link #15
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This is such a cliche these days every hero must be some kinda backstabing dick what happend to the real damn heroes that not only have power but also brain.

Tierd of these cliches Artifureta does the same job this novel does and it doesn`t feel forced like this one.
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Old 2016-06-22, 01:45   Link #16
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@ Yoburi: This actually seems to take it in an interestingly different direction. The typical one is where the assigned "Hero" is a powerful idiot, the MC is weak but becomes powerful (or, more likely, rapidly becomes OP), and the story focus is on action & wish fulfillment. Basically it follow's Artifureta's plot with little to no deviation (with the exception of world building).

Here, from what's been stated, it's more of a political story. Where the MC supports the assigned "Hero" from the shadows, to prevent him from being used as a political pawn/weapon of mass destruction. Sure, the MC can fight, but that's not the focus of his story. The focus is the political mechanization's focused on the Hero, and the MC destroying them.

Basically, where Artifureta has Wish Fulfillment, this sounds like it has Political Strife.

Oh, and which came first? Artifureta or Shield Hero? Because I suspect it's Shield Hero, and that Artifureta just copied Shield Hero's formula.
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Old 2016-06-22, 02:03   Link #17
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@ Yoburi: This actually seems to take it in an interestingly different direction. The typical one is where the assigned "Hero" is a powerful idiot, the MC is weak but becomes powerful (or, more likely, rapidly becomes OP), and the story focus is on action & wish fulfillment. Basically it follow's Artifureta's plot with little to no deviation (with the exception of world building).

Here, from what's been stated, it's more of a political story. Where the MC supports the assigned "Hero" from the shadows, to prevent him from being used as a political pawn/weapon of mass destruction. Sure, the MC can fight, but that's not the focus of his story. The focus is the political mechanization's focused on the Hero, and the MC destroying them.

Basically, where Artifureta has Wish Fulfillment, this sounds like it has Political Strife.

Oh, and which came first? Artifureta or Shield Hero? Because I suspect it's Shield Hero, and that Artifureta just copied Shield Hero's formula.
Yup...it's kinda true...the MC is always the shadow, while he don't like the hero attitude, but his power is very real, thus them both have different kind of role in the war. It's like Special forces versus tactical nuke.

MC power is of no comparison, it's like comparing anti person noble phantasm to anti fortress, our MC ability is VERY strong on individual opponent, but not that much against other type, even more so on pillar base which even the hero has problems with his OP power...
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Old 2016-06-22, 04:04   Link #18
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Old 2016-06-22, 04:48   Link #19
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If I watch battle of nation, polearm match tends to be deadly with a lot of injuries, compared to sword match. Making me to think that sword is for cool looking sissies while polearm for winners.

Polearms tends to be highly regarded in other part of the world, but somehow not in Japan. I blame Tokugawa and his edo period that overvalue sword than spear or other polearms.
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Realistically speaking, the king of all ancient weapon is spear due to how versatile it is and is capable enough in damaging.

This is shown even in most depiction of legend, the strongest weapon hold by the gods is generally the spear, Zeus's thunder bolt, Gungnir, Spear of longinus...etc.

the same applies for Japan, Ame no Nuhoko, while not as famous, is the weapon of Izanagi and is what created entire Japan

In term of specs, spear can do both range and foot battle. and due to it's simplistic movement, a spear is outdone sword in war.

what make sword become famous over spear is simply because when the large scale wars start to end, and people start fighting personal battle, the sword is shown to be far easier to use in an 1 on 1. And most Noble or people in power don't have the strength for using a spear, so they settled for the lighter sword
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Old 2016-06-22, 06:57   Link #20
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Realistically speaking, the king of all ancient weapon is spear due to how versatile it is and is capable enough in damaging.

This is shown even in most depiction of legend, the strongest weapon hold by the gods is generally the spear, Zeus's thunder bolt, Gungnir, Spear of longinus...etc.

the same applies for Japan, Ame no Nuhoko, while not as famous, is the weapon of Izanagi and is what created entire Japan

In term of specs, spear can do both range and foot battle. and due to it's simplistic movement, a spear is outdone sword in war.

what make sword become famous over spear is simply because when the large scale wars start to end, and people start fighting personal battle, the sword is shown to be far easier to use in an 1 on 1. And most Noble or people in power don't have the strength for using a spear, so they settled for the lighter sword
LOL just watch Game of thrones battle of the bastards and even a fool can see how OP a spear can be on foot or on horses.
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