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View Poll Results: Shin Sekai Yori - Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 28 | 46.67% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 25.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 26.67% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 1 | 1.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-03-01, 07:53 | Link #241 | |
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I didn't say the humans had no technology but it is not a technologically advanced society, especially not in terms of weaponry Quote:
I mean seriously if you could just so easily shoot someone with a gun what makes you think you can't just shoot someone with the power? Quote:
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Also as Satoru said one human with PK can destroy an entire Bakenezumi village. Don't you just have the same situation in reverse here? Could all those weapons even stop a fiend who can use his PK? Quote:
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2013-03-01, 09:08 | Link #243 |
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That's what I was trying to say with my analogy, rats as humans and humans as gods, in the first place. Not to prove that humans are inhuman in terms of human emotions (but of course they lost part of it), but more in terms of logic. The fact that they have power that we have not is a crucial point to understand why we shouldn't expect their logic overlapping with ours. The "god" component I was talking about is another point to understand how much they are confident of themselves. To the point to not consider any other life forms to ever be a threat for them. And they weren't that far from the truth if:
Using an example, have you ever seen Superman using a gun, or driving a car (smallville doesn't count )? And if they had a society of all supermen I don't think they would spend time in developing such a things. But probably they would spend time in developing gramophones for music or electric irons for their capes. BTW, I don't remember, just to be sure, we can't discuss about previews in this thread, can we?
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2013-03-01, 11:00 | Link #244 | ||
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2013-03-01, 13:02 | Link #245 | |
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However, I feel it's more like they prefer agrarian style of living but they still do have high technology. For example, they verified Maria and Mamoru's remains using DNA testing and dental records. This points their technology level at minimum to our current levels. |
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2013-03-01, 13:46 | Link #246 | |
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What I truly wanted to say was that, given all the facts as presented, we can't say that the story has plot holes regarding human technologies or regarding their ways to protect themselves. The plot has been consistent after all, so if we want someone to blame, we should blame humans, but for in-universe reasons.
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2013-03-01, 14:33 | Link #247 | ||
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No he is a pacifist.
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2013-03-02, 08:29 | Link #248 | |
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In the latter case, it certainly seems like they went that way for the mood rather than logical sense. It still mostly works for me - it just seems like they could have dealt with this by having some sort of last ditch backup plan that still fails ... which would preserve the mood just fine IMO. As an example of silly backup plans, consider the usual airline spiel of "in the event of a water landing, use your seat as a flotation device!". You're going die some ridiculously high% of the time if they have to make a water landing, but they still have this mostly useless plan in place anyway. And this is just to preserve a small # of humas in some rare event. If it was to preserve humanity itself against something that actually happened previously & was dangerously close to destroying them that time ... there'd be a ridiculous # of contingency plans. Part of it is definitely to give the airline customer a false sense of security ... but if all your children could turn into nuclear weapons, I should think there is a good market for sense of security and backup plans just in case things go horribly wrong They are ok with this horrific program of killing their children (which I agree has been well presented as possibly justified on utilitarian terms and wonderously morally grey ), but they don't want to take time to think about what else to do? |
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2013-03-02, 08:33 | Link #249 | ||
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They keep a ridiculous # of deadly diseases that could devestate the world if things went wrong, because it's an acceptable risk vs not being able to deal with the disaster of an epidemic/pandemic. Quote:
There are thousands of examples of battles or entire wars that were fought with pretty much no hope of success .. but there was still a plan and they died trying. |
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2013-03-02, 08:42 | Link #250 | |
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You are still under the assumption that they had no disaster plan. Maybe they did and they could not put it into action because of how this disaster came about. The CDC is a good example and yet its way more controlled than anything mentioned so far. And going back to natural disasters there were plenty of times where things happened and humanity was not prepared either.
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2013-03-02, 09:11 | Link #251 | |
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Yes some plans take time to implement & I don't fault them for not having 100% of situations accounted for in a perfect way. But for an event of this magnitude I'd think they'd have plans for various situations and not count on knowing ahead of time in all of them. Do I fault them for not planning for rat controlled fiends? No, not at all ... that is a new twist. Without spoiling the other thread, I will say the CDC is a pretty ironic example. |
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2013-03-03, 12:37 | Link #252 |
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This was a blast of an episode, and the mind-blowing will continue unabashed for the rest of the show. The begging question is which species is going to make it at the end? or total mutual, mass annihilation for both is certain?
About five episodes ago I commented upon the growing intelligence of the queerats, but this episode clearly exposed without doubts that the queerats were intelligent creatures all along. If in the past were presented as cowardly, defenseless, and pathetic that's because of humanity's treatment toward them. Surprisingly, some of what I posted about five episodes ago became partially true. Spoiler:
There was a thick and dense moral issue raised in this episode: When one's own existence is jeopardized with certain and absolute destruction, then what would be the approach to take? - Kill or be killed? - Or find a way to settlement I, honestly, believe that both parties are too far away from diplomacy. - Queerats do not understand "Golden Rule", obviously, because of the human's fascistic treatment towards their kind. - It's now too much late for humans to apply "Golden" Rule now that their existence is literally put to death. Morality is either collapsing or has been discarded. - Queerats bent to wipe out to the very last individual from the human species off the face of the Earth. - Humans stirred up to kill every queerat species from the Japanese Islands archipielago. |
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