High School DxD Light Novel - Character power-ups, match-ups, and ratings

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

I didn't say Vali would win easily but he would win. Also did Vali use everything in his disposal against Crom? I didn't see him use "Satan Lucifer Smasher" or "Reduce".

Well a majority of the fight was offscreen due to the Grim Reaper incident so we really can't judge it.

Here's why we know. Vali in DxD L is overall stronger than Issei in Pseudo DxD. Ddraig said that in Volume 24.

Crom Cruach has surpassed both Ddraig and Albion when they were in their primes. Albion said that in Volume 24.

When Ddraig was summoned, Issei stated that Ddraig was at the same level or even stronger than himself in Pseudo DxD.

Ddraig when he was summoned was stronger than Typhon. Although Crom was stated to be stronger than Ddraig and Albion in their primes. And Vali fought on par with Crom Cruach even completely overwhelming him in speed and was so fast that Crom couldn't dodge or block any of Vali's attacks.

That's all the info we have.

But I would say that Vali would defeat Typhon by being stronger.

[syzorst]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Well a majority of the fight was offscreen due to the Grim Reaper incident so we really can't judge it.

Here's why we know. Vali in DxD L is overall stronger than Issei in Pseudo DxD. Ddraig said that in Volume 24.

Crom Cruach has surpassed both Ddraig and Albion when they were in their primes. Albion said that in Volume 24.

When Ddraig was summoned, Issei stated that Ddraig was at the same level or even stronger than himself in Pseudo DxD.

Ddraig when he was summoned was stronger than Typhon. Although Crom was stated to be stronger than Ddraig and Albion in their primes. And Vali fought on par with Crom Cruach even completely overwhelming him in speed and was so fast that Crom couldn't dodge or block any of Vali's attacks.

That's all the info we have.

But I would say that Vali would defeat Typhon by being stronger.

I doubt it would be that simple. You have to take into account that Typhon's weather manipulation is ridiculous. Typhon's ability to create strong winds, rain storms and typhoons can put a damper on Vali's speed. The reason Ddraig was successful was because he could [Penetrate] through that. Furthermore, I would say Ddraig is much more durable than Vali as how he was able to shrug off Typhon's lightning. In all honestly I think it could go either way.

[Parry999]

Typhon equal to Fenrir or slightly stronger. Vidar can kick Fenrir to death before he got his Balance breaker. Unless Vidar kills a nerfed Fenrir I don't see Typhon beating Vali. But DxD scaling been vague the last two volumes.

[sbh1fr]

I think Vidar being stronger than fenrir is a special case, i think its more about compayibility than raw power, since Vidar's boots were specially made as countermeasure against fenrir specifically.

Anyway for a small change of topic. When Ddraig is manifested, i wonder if he can use Albion powers like divide and reflect.

Spoiler for from vol4 newlife:

“Also, can you use the Hakuryuukou’s power because of that?”

Azazel asked this.

“No, it doesn’t function at all.”

I had obtained the ‘power to halve my opponent’ at great pains, but the gauntlet that had been lodged in my right arm hadn’t appeared since then. Was it a one-time use only?

“As I thought. You can’t handle something that strong so easily. It’s beneficial to take in another Dragon’s power. However, it’s an entirely different matter whether you can freely control it or not. If used unskilfully, it may be an ability that is more difficult than attaining Balance Breaker. However, the power you took in once should have been recorded into Ddraig’s soul. The rest depends on training. In addition, you’ll first have to complete hellish training in the long term. If you’re weak but in absurdly high spirits, you’ll die.”

[godz]

Originally Posted by sbh1fr

I think Vidar being stronger than fenrir is a special case, i think its more about compayibility than raw power, since Vidar's boots were specially made as countermeasure against fenrir specifically.

Anyway for a small change of topic. When Ddraig is manifested, i wonder if he can use Albion powers like divide and reflect.

Spoiler for from vol4 newlife:

“Also, can you use the Hakuryuukou’s power because of that?”

Azazel asked this.

“No, it doesn’t function at all.”

I had obtained the ‘power to halve my opponent’ at great pains, but the gauntlet that had been lodged in my right arm hadn’t appeared since then. Was it a one-time use only?

“As I thought. You can’t handle something that strong so easily. It’s beneficial to take in another Dragon’s power. However, it’s an entirely different matter whether you can freely control it or not. If used unskilfully, it may be an ability that is more difficult than attaining Balance Breaker. However, the power you took in once should have been recorded into Ddraig’s soul. The rest depends on training. In addition, you’ll first have to complete hellish training in the long term. If you’re weak but in absurdly high spirits, you’ll die.”

I support the compatibility, since an example is samael that can kill the dragon gods but that's not why samael is the strongest exsistence in dxd.

[aw454wtr]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

I didn't say Vali would win easily but he would win. Also did Vali use everything in his disposal against Crom? I didn't see him use "Satan Lucifer Smasher" or "Reduce".

HD class dragons are immune to reduce, and Crom is above HD level, Using Smasher would require vali to stay still, aim, charge and fire all actions that would have him get pummeled by Crom which is why he never used it, Vali had to stay mobile to survive against crom

[sbh1fr]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

HD class dragons are immune to reduce, and Crom is above HD level, Using Smasher would require vali to stay still, aim, charge and fire all actions that would have him get pummeled by Crom which is why he never used it, Vali had to stay mobile to survive against crom

We dont know that, its just just your speculations i think. Only being immune to reduce are Ddraig, Great Red and Ophis.
Ddraig and Albion are heavenly dragons. Crom power is at the level of heavenly dragons but he's still an evildragon.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

HD class dragons are immune to reduce, and Crom is above HD level, Using Smasher would require vali to stay still, aim, charge and fire all actions that would have him get pummeled by Crom which is why he never used it, Vali had to stay mobile to survive against crom

How do you know that Crom is immune to it? Vali can simply use Half-Dimension to restict Crom's movements while he's charging up power.

[vietthai96]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

How do you know that Crom is immune to it? Vali can simply use Half-Dimension to restict Crom's movements while he's charging up power.

No proof he can do both of those things at the same time, unless suddenly Ishi pull that thing from his ass

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by vietthai96

No proof he can do both of those things at the same time, unless suddenly Ishi pull that thing from his ass

How is it an asspull? In his DxD L form his wyverns are the ones using Half-Dimension and they move on his command, so you mean to say It's impossible for him to charge up power while his wyverns are doing what he commands? You're not making any sense.

[aw454wtr]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

How is it an asspull? In his DxD L form his wyverns are the ones using Half-Dimension and they move on his command, so you mean to say It's impossible for him to charge up power while his wyverns are doing what he commands? You're not making any sense.

Then why didn't he do it?

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

Then why didn't he do it?

Ask Ishibumi. Why didn't Crom transform?

[sbh1fr]

so, do you think draigg after getting summoned/manifested, can use vanishing dragon powers like divide...
we'd have 2 beings using both heavenly-dragon-emprors powers namely Issei and Ddraig.

[Parry999]

Crom didn't promote either.

[aw454wtr]

Originally Posted by sbh1fr

so, do you think draigg after getting summoned/manifested, can use vanishing dragon powers like divide...
we'd have 2 beings using both heavenly-dragon-emprors powers namely Issei and Ddraig.

He should be able to, when Issei absorbed the DD gem it's abilities were recorded into ddraig's soul according to azazel


Just a thought, shouldn't Issei get a mentor/trainer to help him develop

Kinda unfair when compared to Vali who had 10 years of training by grigori, Kiba having Sizechs knight to train them while Issei had nobody, azazel barely helped in training issei he just pushed it to tannin for 20 days and thats all of issei's training with a teacher

If Issei had 10 years of training with a dedicated teacher like vali did, he would have grown so much that he in theory could face melvazoa now

[Parry999]

His litterally training with Ddraig in Shin xD

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

He should be able to, when Issei absorbed the DD gem it's abilities were recorded into ddraig's soul according to azazel


Just a thought, shouldn't Issei get a mentor/trainer to help him develop

Kinda unfair when compared to Vali who had 10 years of training by grigori, Kiba having Sizechs knight to train them while Issei had nobody, azazel barely helped in training issei he just pushed it to tannin for 20 days and thats all of issei's training with a teacher

If Issei had 10 years of training with a dedicated teacher like vali did, he would have grown so much that he in theory could face melvazoa now

There's a saying "There's no better training then the real thing". Issei has used his experience from real battles to developed and It's not like he never anyone to teach him. Ddraig has taught Issei the workings of the Booster Gear and Sun Wukong has trained Issei how to fight more efficiently.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

He should be able to, when Issei absorbed the DD gem it's abilities were recorded into ddraig's soul according to azazel


Just a thought, shouldn't Issei get a mentor/trainer to help him develop

Kinda unfair when compared to Vali who had 10 years of training by grigori, Kiba having Sizechs knight to train them while Issei had nobody, azazel barely helped in training issei he just pushed it to tannin for 20 days and thats all of issei's training with a teacher

If Issei had 10 years of training with a dedicated teacher like vali did, he would have grown so much that he in theory could face melvazoa now

The guy has already taken on Top 10 beings and defeated them. Why does he need a mentor exactly? And besides his mentor was Azazel.

Yes Azazel did help him train and learn the workings of his Boosted Gear as he gave him useful advice, came up with training menus, ways for Issei to become more powerful, etc. Just because he wasn't personally training Issei himself doesn't mean he wasn't of use. He most likely did the same thing with Vali. Azazel helped Issei develop.

While training will make you stronger, it's kind of a stretch to say that 10 years of training will make him stronger than a Dragon God. Why else do you think Chichigami told Issei he needs the 12 Heavenly Breasts when Melvazoa comes?

[godz]

And there is also the luck factor, without the blessing of ophis and the great red body, issei would not have been able to beat a maou class now.
Issei is the only one in the world with advantage.

[The Infinite Dream]

Ahh yeah he would have lol he destroyed an ultimate class devil before he died. To say he wouldnt be able to take on a mauo class is pretty absurd maybe not super devils but hed still be able to hang with maou classes.