(L+CR) Goblin Slayer

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Goblin Slayer is Batman

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The adventurers of the guild are "prayable characters"(players)
只人（ヒューム） normal people
森人（エルフ） forest people (elf)
鉱人（ドワーフ） mining people (dwarf)
蜥蜴人（リザードマン） lizardmen
圃人（レーア） "Half people"
Their height is half of normal people. It seems to be a puzzle of their identity. Some people believe they are called hair people, so it is the reference to hobbits in Tolkien universe, and kept ambiguous due to possible copyright and legal issue.

Other than normal people, the playable characters' attributes make them more involved with certain specialty.

The monsters are "non-prayable characters"(non-players)
小鬼（ゴブリン） little oni (goblins)
人喰い鬼（オーガ） men-eating oni (orcs)
巨人（トロル） giants (trolls)
悪魔（デーモン） demon
竜（ドラゴン） dragon

[Firefly00]

Originally Posted by bakato

The fact that he can even think that he may be no different from a goblin suggests that he doesn't just hate goblins.

Originally Posted by Kanon

It's a good thing that GS has somebody to protect. Keeps him from going completely mad. His speech about his past made it quite obvious he's standing on the edge. Really liked that speech by the way, especially the part about him now enjoying killing and his belief that he is to the Goblins what they are to him, which makes them similar.

It is fortunate that even if he has never heard the famous quote about monsters attributed to Nietzsche, he is aware of the point behind it...

The Priestess seems to be doing well. Even learned a new spell. I understand her misgivings about using her magic for killing, since she is a Priestess and she was most likely taught and believed her magic's purpose was to heal and support others.

Which latter, when you think about it, she is doing. But yes, it'll be interesting to see how she develops as a character as this unfolds.

Originally Posted by Random14

Well for normal people goblins are a bigger problem than dragons.

Quite so. It's amazing how often this fact (with respect to many 'bottom tier' monsters, not just goblins) gets forgotten by many settings (and people within them).

[Marcus H.]

Which makes it even more confusing why adventurers ignore goblins if it poses clear and present problems with communities within the setting.

[Xical]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Which makes it even more confusing why adventurers ignore goblins if it poses clear and present problems with communities within the setting.

$$$$$$ slaying goblins don't pay much.

[LG-MAX 2.o]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Which makes it even more confusing why adventurers ignore goblins if it poses clear and present problems with communities within the setting.

money, just money, the ep shows that goblins are a threat to villages, villagers have very little money to hire high-level adventurers, Goblin Slayer is an exception, but adventurers are not heroes who fight for justice for free.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Which makes it even more confusing why adventurers ignore goblins if it poses clear and present problems with communities within the setting.

Because goblin slaying quests don't usually pay much, since goblins seem to focus on poor areas.

[Marcus H.]

Pay shouldn't be just in the form of gold coins. It could be in the form of food, access to additional resources like wood or cloth, lodging or any other form of compensation for adventurers. Also, adventurers already live in a shitty town. Pretty sure they and the villagers don't want their homes completely ransacked.

And before you argue about the Adventurer's Guild, that shithole isn't even doing anything to make adventuring a safe and profitable prospect. There's income inequality, and the Law of Supply and Demand for goblin quests doesn't really exist. No extensive information about monsters either. You'd expect the high-level adventurers to publish information about how to deal with this monster. But the lack of extensive information about goblin implies a Dark Age-tier lack of efficiency in adventuring. There's no focus at all about knowledge. People keep facts to themselves, and people live and die according to this ill-examined information.

[Keila]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Which makes it even more confusing why adventurers ignore goblins if it poses clear and present problems with communities within the setting.

Jobs like 'teaching', 'nursing' in the real-world' don't generally pay all that well (when you consider their importance in the grand scheme of things). Without people doing those sort of jobs society as most people know it would probably collapse (or at least the quality of life would diminish significantly) and yet they're still not generally viewed as desirable jobs (which, is linked directly to renumeration, relative to time:effort). That's probably the same case with goblins, hunting them doesn't pay very well (relative to time/effort/risk).

[Marcus H.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_...on_of_learning

Based on the Dark Ages, looks like literacy and spirituality are constrained to monasteries and churches. There are teachers, scholars and, in this setting, healers, but they do not go outside the walls of their respective abbeys. Knowledge spread is also difficult due to bandits sabotaging any efforts to spread books and other information via caravans. Still, there should be adventurers that have stayed within a town and had enough experience to at least warn others about the risks of taking on goblins. If there are none, that situation should have been a sign for the Adventurer's Guild to change their practices on assembling parties for goblin extermination.

TL;DR: the Adventurer's Guild is inefficient, and is basically bleeding adventurers while giving gold to adventurers that are already capable of earning an income outside of the Guild itself.

[Wheeljack83]

Everyone keeps asking about why the guild doesn't do this or that?

1. It's the Adventurers responsibility to look after themselves.
2. The Guild can't coddle the adventurers
3. The adventurers are freelancers and essentially independent contractors. They essentially have no rights.
4. The general gist of it is that if one adventurer party gets wiped out by goblins, the second or third will ultimately wipe out the nest.
5. Goblin slaying quests are usually requested by poor villages on the outskirts who are not cash rich. As a result, more experienced adventurers are not going to want to take the quests because they pay so little. Goblin Slayer is an exception.
6. The Guild's job is basically to hand out the quests. If the adventurers complete the quest, they get the trust of the guild and a reward.
7. Guild Girl is basically going beyond her duty to advise rookie adventurers to do something other than a goblin slaying quest. It's not her job to make sure rookies or low level adventurers are prepared and well equipped for quests.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Pay shouldn't be just in the form of gold coins. It could be in the form of food, access to additional resources like wood or cloth, lodging or any other form of compensation for adventurers.

The places being attacked by goblins in both episodes are frontier towns in the middle of nowhere. It's highly unlikely they have any goods for barter that's worth the effort for high level adventurers.

Also, adventurers already live in a shitty town. Pretty sure they and the villagers don't want their homes completely ransacked.

Same as above. The places attacked so far seem to be nowhere near anywhere they live.

And before you argue about the Adventurer's Guild, that shithole isn't even doing anything to make adventuring a safe and profitable prospect. There's income inequality

If we modern folk can't fix that, what do you want medieval level people to do?

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Kanon

That Witch at the Guild definitely caught my eye. Wonder what role she's going to play. It was nice to see other Silver Ranked adventurers, helped establish even further than Goblin Slayer is an oddity in their world. Does the LN or manga explain GS' reasoning for choosing that quest over the others? Him refusing to help the rookies made me think the Priestess got really lucky there wasn't a more pressing/dangerous quest for him to do back then, but maybe he had somehow ascertained they'd be able to handle the job? He did comment that their party was balanced.

I don't think he knew, but I also don't think he automaticaly assumed they would fail either. Orcbolg is after all single adventurer, can't take every single goblin quest (there is too much recently) and villagers unlike adventurers didn't choose risk their life. Plus spot he chose was most likely much bigger threat level.

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

From what I understand having compared todays episode with source material. That part was anime orginal. In the mangs/novels...

Spoiler:

That team went on the same mission into forest a few days ahead of them our main duo. Sadly they did not fair very well. Goblin Slayer and Priestess didn't make in time.

No that was different team. Guild girl mentioned party that went MIA at Elven Fortress goblin subjucation and GB concluded it's too late for them when he set it at fire. Rookie team was anime indeed original though, but it worked to show that goblin subjucation while dangerous is not undoable for rookies party and guild sent them in without just to die.

[Wheeljack83]

Originally Posted by Metaneo

Meh, they seem to be cutting both sides, both the really disturbing stuff and humorous stuff. Dispite how it might look right now, the story can be really funny at times

Eh it's not necessarily not humorous. They had the bit with Guild Girl giving Goblin Slayer attention over Spearman.

I think next episode will be a better indication of the humor when Goblin Slayer meets High Elf Waifu.

[Marcus H.]

1. It's the Adventurers responsibility to look after themselves.
But they cannot do quests and are unable to earn a living if the Adventurer Guild prevents them from doing that.

2. The Guild can't coddle the adventurers
They lose money with the flow of adventurers either way.

3. The adventurers are freelancers and essentially independent contractors. They essentially have no rights.
No surprise. If this is the Dark Ages, human rights isn't really the concern of anybody.

4. The general gist of it is that if one adventurer party gets wiped out by goblins, the second or third will ultimately wipe out the nest.
Which brings us back to the inefficiency of the Adventurer's Guild.

5. Goblin slaying quests are usually requested by poor villages on the outskirts who are not cash rich. As a result, more experienced adventurers are not going to want to take the quests because they pay so little. Goblin Slayer is an exception.
Pretty sure they don't have a choice but to take arms when the gobs are killing key members of the townsfolk. One gold coin for an extensive encounter is better than zero for letting a nest get fat enough to get a goblin raid going.

6. The Guild's job is basically to hand out the quests. If the adventurers complete the quest, they get the trust of the guild and a reward.
And if the Guild doesn't receive any completed quests, they can be associated to a meat grinder that drains the associated kingdom important manpower for resource gathering.

7. Guild Girl is basically going beyond her duty to advise rookie adventurers to do something other than a goblin slaying quest. It's not her job to make sure rookies or low level adventurers are prepared and well equipped for quests.
That's not necessarily her fault for being part of a shoddy system.

[erneiz_hyde]

The fact that the pay isn't worth the trouble probably means the higher ups (both the guild and the government) really haven't seen the reality in the field to update the bounty (assuming the bounty is set up by them). At the very least, that info block has been going on since GS' village was destroyed, likely even longer. There are many factors that can influence this and I haven't really thought whether this makes sense, but so far I am feeling it's within reason for info block such as this to happen for as long as it seem.

The alternative is, the higher ups and the government ARE aware, and yet did nothing. Likely reasons are the usual comic villain shortsighted douchebaggery, or the actual losses are perceived to be negligible despite all the destroyed villages. Which suggests arable land and human population is probably really high, higher than historical medieval Europe, which suggest the human race as a whole is probably even richer.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

But they cannot do quests and are unable to earn a living if the Adventurer Guild prevents them from doing that.

The Guild isn't directly helping them, but they are helping in an indirect fashion by creaing a place where Adventurers gather. If I was a rookie, I'd be spending every minute not on a job hanging around older adventurers, listening to stories and getting an idea of how to do things. That wouldn't be possible without the Guild

They lose money with the flow of adventurers either way.

As the first episode illustrated, there are always rookies waiting in the wings.

Pretty sure they don't have a choice but to take arms when the gobs are killing key members of the townsfolk. One gold coin for an extensive encounter is better than zero for letting a nest get fat enough to get a goblin raid going.

Goblins attack lonely villges out in the sticks. You have a point about stopping the problem before it becomes a flood, but people are excelent at ignoring far away problems until they arrive at their doorstep. That hasn't changed, even up till today.

Originally Posted by erneiz_hyde

The fact that the pay isn't worth the trouble probably means the higher ups (both the guild and the government) really haven't seen the reality in the field to update the bounty (assuming the bounty is set up by them).

The gvernment has nothing to do with the rewards. People bring what they can, and adventurers decide what to do based on that.

[Marcus H.]

The alternative is, the higher ups and the government ARE aware, and yet did nothing. Likely reasons are the usual comic villain shortsighted douchebaggery, or the actual losses are perceived to be negligible despite all the destroyed villages. Which suggests arable land and human population is probably really high, higher than historical medieval Europe, which suggest the human race as a whole is probably even richer.

Or maybe the King or someone high up in the royalty is a goblin in disguise!

[erneiz_hyde]

Originally Posted by Endscape

The gvernment has nothing to do with the rewards. People bring what they can, and adventurers decide what to do based on that.

Well, I assumed the villages in this setting still pay some form of tax to the government. The loss of a village is a loss of revenue to the government.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

My "taking this show seriously"-level has dropped a little bit after watching all those unneeded bits of fanservice. Berserk this is not.