(L) The Breaker

[LevelSeven]

Originally Posted by DeliriousEagle

I enjoyed him nearly pissing himself, just i wished also he got punched. Thus my main disappointment.

but this would have killed smugface i wouldnt mind, in fact, it sounds awesome XD

[Raxnom]

Super Saiyan 2 time

[DeliriousEagle]

Spoiler for YOOOOOOO:

Enjoyed the chapter quite a bit.

[Fwarlord]

If 9AD wants to protect Shioon from the murim world and Kaiser, there're only one thing he can do now, and we will go back to the end of season 1 again.

[Xacual]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

If 9AD wants to protect Shioon from the murim world and Kaiser, there're only one thing he can do now, and we will go back to the end of season 1 again.

I doubt that would even work on Shioon right now. Shioon has crazy regeneration at the worst of times, with BOT in play, he should regenerate almost instantly from anything 9AD does.

In all likelihood how I see this playing out is 9AD knocking Shioon out just enough that he can slip away and then Shioon being forcibly calmed down. Also it looks like Ghost Doctor realized that Shioon is going to need actual high tier training and with Kwon gone it looks like he might have gotten volunteered.

[Flames]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

If 9AD wants to protect Shioon from the murim world and Kaiser, there're only one thing he can do now, and we will go back to the end of season 1 again.

Nine Arts Dragon doesn't really care much about anything anymore. He had been warned so many times that was a puppet used for a bigger scheme but he chose to ignore all warning until the end. Shioon unfortunately getting more deeply warped up in this affair with Kaiser is the action of 9AD bad decisions which unfortunately indirectly led to Shioon facing misfortune. Even this situation could had been avoided if 9AD just had stop with his bullcrap with the remote and left Seoul when he had the chance too.

[pampz21]

Another bore for me.... Show the god damn fight already.

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by Flames

Nine Arts Dragon doesn't really care much about anything anymore. He had been warned so many times that was a puppet used for a bigger scheme but he chose to ignore all warning until the end. Shioon unfortunately getting more deeply warped up in this affair with Kaiser is the action of 9AD bad decisions which unfortunately indirectly led to Shioon facing misfortune. Even this situation could had been avoided if 9AD just had stop with his bullcrap with the remote and left Seoul when he had the chance too.

Seeing how 9AD tried so hard to convince Shioon to believe him and still held back even up until now, I'm pretty sure he still care deeply for his student regardless of remembering him or not.

[Hokoga]

Originally Posted by DeliriousEagle

Spoiler for YOOOOOOO:

Enjoyed the chapter quite a bit.

I certainly wasn't expecting Shioon to be called sexy boy especially with his current crying rage monster state.

[Xacual]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

Seeing how 9AD tried so hard to convince Shioon to believe him and still held back even up until now, I'm pretty sure he still care deeply for his student regardless of remembering him or not.

9AD does remember him now. He remembered who he was back like 15 chapters ago.

[Flames]

Originally Posted by Xacual

9AD does remember him now. He remembered who he was back like 15 chapters ago.

Yet still chose to ignore all the warnings which his very own disciple who still believe in him at that point was giving him despite being warned by others beforehand he was being used. Even when Elder Kwon told him about his remote possibly being a detonator to not only destroy Seoul but also the place 9AD was at. He still chose to play bad guy. 9AD is a pawn and even when he became more aware of that fact he still allowed himself to be used as such. His stupidity for his so called revenge which has extended beyond the Murium World is what got him into this situation in which he hurting everyone involved including Shioon.

[dazo]

what is this..i sense some shiho vibes in the girl with the cap? ...yeah, i can see it..
like master like disciple , eh?

for the chapter:

shioon is screwed..9art tried to hide him from the world but now ....

no shioonn is gonna end as a mere paw in a game between the old alliance-chief and kaiser....and with the expectable return of sosul, he is gonna end without the sunwoo clan support too../facepalm


i hope , for shioon future, that 9art k.o him and take his useless body with him....the kid need to learn about politics.
ps. it was cute how the old medic master tried to ignore that 9arts wasn't serious

Originally Posted by Flames

Yet still chose to ignore all the warnings which his very own disciple who still believe in him at that point was giving him despite being warned by others beforehand he was being used. Even when Elder Kwon told him about his remote possibly being a detonator to not only destroy Seoul but also the place 9AD was at. He still chose to play bad guy. 9AD is a pawn and even when he became more aware of that fact he still allowed himself to be used as such. His stupidity for his so called revenge which has extended beyond the Murium World is what got him into this situation in which he hurting everyone involved including Shioon.

-9art was drugged with a special type of drug.
-there is no reason to believe in sunwoo clan, because they are part of the alliance(they are not good guys neither) , nor 9art can be sure that shioon is not being manipulated.
-"clean" 9art never tried to push the button
-when 9art received the info that the bomb would kill him too ..he was thinking about the situation but kwon decided to attack him - there are a lot of things to take in consideration, is not just give shioon the interrupter.
-murim must be destroyed, its a very dangerous sub-world

[Flames]

Originally Posted by dazo

what is this..i sense some shiho vibes in the girl with the cap? ...yeah, i can see it..
like master like disciple , eh?

for the chapter:

shioon is screwed..9art tried to hide him from the world but now ....

no shioonn is gonna end as a mere paw in a game between the old alliance-chief and kaiser....and with the expectable return of sosul, he is gonna end without the sunwoo clan support too../facepalm


i hope , for shioon future, that 9art k.o him and take his useless body with him....the kid need to learn about politics.
ps. it was cute how the old medic master tried to ignore that 9arts wasn't serious

-9art was drugged with a special type of drug.
-there is no reason to believe in sunwoo clan, because they are part of the alliance(they are not good guys neither) , nor 9art can be sure that shioon is not being manipulated.
-"clean" 9art never tried to push the button
-when 9art received the info that the bomb would kill him too ..he was thinking about the situation but kwon decided to attack him - there are a lot of things to take in consideration, is not just give shioon the interrupter.
-murim must be destroyed, its a very dangerous sub-world

9AD being drugged is no excuse for what he did after turning clean from that. He got warnings during the period he was drugged that he was being used and even after the fact yet still chose to continue . 9AD after remembering everything was still going to push the button even after Shioon kept telling him not too. He didn't even know Shioon was Gaju of the Sunwoo clan at that time, so their is no excuse for that. He only stopped after seeing Shioon foot technique which was last thing he taught him and found it amusing to see the Chunmoon Head and Shioon fight over the result of him pushing it or not.


Kwon actions during that situation was right from his perspective because 9AD never showed any signs of giving up the remote. Plus Shioon actions of letting 9AD go without any resistance would not only make Shioon an enemy to the government and Murim ,but also the Sunwoo clan because he is their representative head. Shioon would never be able to go back to normal life if that situation did happen and the Sunwoo clan members will also have their affected as well.

The Murim world seem to be very dangerous but that also because of the people of put in charge of it. We have been shown alot of scumbags being put into leadership positions and would do anything to maintain the status quo regardless if what they are doing is right or wrong. What needs to change in Murim is how the people operate in it. Which I guess is what new waves is about.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by dazo

no shioonn is gonna end as a mere paw in a game between the old alliance-chief and kaiser....and with the expectable return of sosul, he is gonna end without the sunwoo clan support too../facepalm

I think the exact opposite has been established Shioon won't let himself become anyones pawn. The elders tried it and failed, the alliance tried it and failed S.U.C. tried it and failed. Shioon is too stubborn and smart to fall for anything. Also I'm sure the current elders would side with Shioon instead of Sosul for Gaju I mean he's a leader who leads from the front, he's earned the respect of a lot of clans and brought 2-3 clans two his side, Ghost doctor is an ally, so is the 3rts Alliance chief AND two elders have died for his sake. Pretty sure if Sosul comes back they'll find an excuse to keep Shioon as head or exile her completely.

Originally Posted by dazo

-9art was drugged with a special type of drug.

But he knew exactly what the drug did. He knew that forgetting about Shioon would turn him into a mindless killing machine killing everyone in his path whether normal or murimin. Willing compliance is worse than forced compliance.

Originally Posted by dazo

-there is no reason to believe in sunwoo clan, because they are part of the alliance(they are not good guys neither) , nor 9art can be sure that shioon is not being manipulated.

From what we've seen the murim isn't some big scary murderous society that was portrayed in part 1, the view we got was extremely one-sided and from a biased source. Sure the elders screwed over Un-wol but shit like that happens all the time in the normal world and, per capita, it happens less in the murim because from what we've seen honor and accountability is strictly enforced. Also 9arts knows for a fact that Shioon isn't being manipulated he's seen the elders bow to him and respect his wishes, show me proof please where 9arts comments how he's being controlled? Just finished re-reading it so my memories fresh and I remember no such thing.

Originally Posted by dazo

-"clean" 9art never tried to push the button
-when 9art received the info that the bomb would kill him too ..he was thinking about the situation but kwon decided to attack him - there are a lot of things to take in consideration, is not just give shioon the interrupter.

Yea but he's basically holding everyone hostage with it and for all intents and purposes WAS going to press it, which is pretty bad in and of itself. 9arts has devolved into a fucking psychopath since last he met Shioon whether he was like that already or because of the drugs is a whole other debate, but then again before he met Shioon he'd been on a killing spree for years and was calling Kaizer master. 9arts is breaking alot of the murim taboos by killing normal people, his own allies AND innocents the murim is right for having him on a wanted list.

Originally Posted by dazo

-murim must be destroyed, its a very dangerous sub-world

No the entire point of New Waves has been to show that the murim is absolutely necessary. Did you see what happened as soon as normal people started gaining power with the drugs? Rapes, murders, robberies etc; Hyuk So-Chun had a point the murim chooses who to let in and who to punish among themselves they keep an invisible wall between themselves and normal society for both their benefits. What has been wrong about the murim in recent years and what the story centered on was the fact that the younger generation had no real place when the elders wouldn't relinquish control and show proper respect to young masters. Even the title sais more than enough about the story the "The New Waves" are basically taking over from the older generations.

[dazo]

okay...lets see

Originally Posted by Flames

9AD being drugged is no excuse for what he did after turning clean from that.

the process of detoxification is long, we cant be sure that he is 100% clean right now.
*being under the influence of hallucinogens open a whole new set of variables/withdrawal symptoms *

+ there only logical reason to drug 9art, is because he would never try to blow up a country on his own.(he is a more face to face man)

He got warnings during the period he was drugged that he was being used and even after the fact yet still chose to continue .

the drug was designed to make 9art forget painful moments, and part of personality born from the pain.

his psyche was broken,and when the effect of the drug started to dissaper he didn't pushed the button.*it was a bluff*

He didn't even know Shioon was Gaju of the Sunwoo clan at that time,

shioon appeared from nowhere in the alliance building fight, which would be suspicious, and during that fight, kwon called shioon gaju and showed a special way to act(respect, formalism/look 9art expression)

what would you think if shioon, that supposedly shouldn't be able to learn martial art, appear in front of you with the sunwo clan at his side?

and, yes..everybody know sunwoo clan master..they are very famous.

He only stopped after seeing Shioon foot technique which was last thing he taught him and found it amusing to see the Chunmoon Head and Shioon fight over the result of him pushing it or not.

he was starting to remember, and 9art made the duel with the interrupter as prize..

to put the red-button as a prize mean that he don't really care for the button..

Kwon actions during that situation was right from his perspective because 9AD never showed any signs of giving up the remote.

re-read the chapter, before kwon decided to "free" shioon, 9art was thinking about the situation, check 9art expression after the bomb revelation,..he was thinking..and when kaiser grunts attacked, 9art tried to stop them too.

kwon real plan was mindf+ck shioon , so he can become something "good" for the murin. *understand this good, as kwon good*

but now, the whole murim know the power of 9art disciple....from now on, the world around shioon is gonna change a lot.

. Plus Shioon actions of letting 9AD go without any resistance would not only make Shioon an enemy to the government and Murim ,but also the Sunwoo clan because he is their representative head.

there is no reason for shioon to work with the alliance.
the alliance is broken, it was designed to protect the powerful clans and to stop the new generations/new groups.

sunwoo don't care for the alliance, they are at best in a pact of neutrality...
you need to remember that in season 1, the alliance kidnapped sosul to shackle sunwoo(a sosul father was killed too)

the murim alliance actually want to crush the sunwoo clan..

Shioon would never be able to go back to normal life if that situation did happen and the Sunwoo clan members will also have their affected as well.

shioon lost any possibility to have a "normal live" when he decided to recover his ki-center.

he is already a monster, even for murim standards.

The Murim world seem to be very dangerous but that also because of the people of put in charge of it. We have been shown alot of scumbags being put into leadership positions and would do anything to maintain the status quo regardless if what they are doing is right or wrong. What needs to change in Murim is how the people operate in it. Which I guess is what new waves is about.

there is no way to change the core of murrim: "tradition and honor"

neither the constants fight for supremacy between old clans and new groups.
*sunwoo rising to power through blood its an example *


at best, shioon can turn in a powerful existence with enough power to control the murim with honor and fear..and even then...all he can create is gonna crumble with his death.

+ i am assuming that shioon have power enough to control the whole murim..which mean the whole world
*murim is not just korea *
ps: this type of sub society can only work with relative "efficience" with assholes/scumbags as leaders....

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Originally Posted by Somethindarker

I think the exact opposite has been established Shioon won't let himself become anyones pawn. The elders tried it and failed, the alliance tried it and failed S.U.C. tried it and failed. Shioon is too stubborn and smart to fall for anything.

then you need have a different approach in your plans, i mean using shioon ability to fight back as part of your plan

Also I'm sure the current elders would side with Shioon instead of Sosul for Gaju I mean he's a leader who leads from the front, he's earned the respect of a lot of clans and brought 2-3 clans two his side, Ghost doctor is an ally, so is the 3rts Alliance chief AND two elders have died for his sake. Pretty sure if Sosul comes back they'll find an excuse to keep Shioon as head or exile her completely.

there is no way for a clan like sunwoo to reject sosul words...it something about blood lines an honor.(shioon its just a proxi)

at best, shioon will create a fracture in sunwoo, gaining himself a few follower for his own cause.(sunwoo will end in weakened state)

+ sosul is gonna return op as fu! , her body is "special", so you can expect a op display of power to control sunwoo.

But he knew exactly what the drug did. He knew that forgetting about Shioon would turn him into a mindless killing machine killing everyone in his path whether normal or murimin. Willing compliance is worse than forced compliance.

yeah..i have my doubts about that scene...he wanted to forget(get drunk)..not being turned in the slave of kaiser :heh

From what we've seen the murim isn't some big scary murderous society that was portrayed in part 1, the view we got was extremely one-sided and from a biased source.

part 1 was murin dark side and part 2 was murin clans-light side.
*in which shioon was protected by phenix medallion, so he was "protected" front the dark side..without counting the assassination attempt for "honor" *

but even in the light side, we know about the "atrocities" of the alliance.

Yea but he's basically holding everyone hostage with it and for all intents and purposes WAS going to press it, which is pretty bad in and of itself. 9arts has devolved into a fucking psychopath since last he met Shioon whether he was like that already or because of the drugs is a whole other debate,

he was alway an asshole :heh
but never in the "killing random dudes" category

9arts is breaking alot of the murim taboos by killing normal people, his own allies AND innocents the murim is right for having him on a wanted list.

normal people? hmmm you mean the Colombian drug cartel at the end of part 1?
because i don't remember him killing peasants...and yeah..he don't have allies per se....he want to crush murim, but he usually aim for the master heads.

No the entire point of New Waves has been to show that the murim is absolutely necessary. Did you see what happened as soon as normal people started gaining power with the drugs? Rapes, murders, robberies etc

sooner or later, murim is going to grow to big to be controlled..and start attacking the nor-murim world.
those dude have power beyond a normal citizens and can beat soldier without problem...they are a danger.

tell me what would do the head of the alliance if a fight between clans is watched or filmed by a groups of normal citizes?
they are gonna kill those innocents witness in order to "protect" the world

Even the title sais more than enough about the story the "The New Waves" are basically taking over from the older generations.

yeah..and people are dying in the process..

[Idealist 99]

Originally Posted by Tempest35

A good Harem needs at least four members and with Sosul here, it's possible.

Sae-Hee (Sae-Who-Now?) - Dense/Childhood Friend
Jinie - Tsundere/Bodyguard Crush
Sera - Kuudere/Smart Big Sister
Sosul - ???/The Rich Heir

Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing this harem in different situations, like say, Rito Yuki's situation.

Where is Sae-Hee anyway ? She haven't appeared at all after the school attack.
Its like she doesn't exist anymore.
Its scaring me.
I just want to see one page that shows her to be Safe & Sound.

[DeliriousEagle]

Originally Posted by Idealist 99

Where is Sae-Hee anyway ? She haven't appeared at all after the school attack.
Its like she doesn't exist anymore.
Its scaring me.
I just want to see one page that shows her to be Safe & Sound.

Does it matter if she is safe? Does it really matter?

[Hokoga]

Originally Posted by DeliriousEagle

Does it matter if she is safe? Does it really matter?

I was thinking the same thing but wasn't going to say it.

[Flames]

Now that I think about I feel Unwol was a strange man. He chose not to teach the Black Origin Threshold to his first student knowing the fact of how horrible that technique was and how some lusted after the technique. Yet for some reason later on he taught 9AD the same technique which he refused to teach his first student. It makes me wonder what the hell was the point of Unwol allowing himself to be in isolation as punishment for displaying that technique and preventing his first student from knowing it only to later take a second disciple later on and teach him it. I wonder what made him change his mind.

[Abakane]

Originally Posted by DeliriousEagle

Spoiler for YOOOOOOO:

Enjoyed the chapter quite a bit.

I enjoyed it as well