Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon - Light Novel Discussion

[charasu]

Like sakai said, no ''over'', so lets pray for teh miracle(つд⊂)
Meanwhile for now, F.
over.

[AB079]

This illustration, Futayo and Masazumi? they look older.



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I really wonder what the hell happened here

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[charasu]

Perhaps they officially become pair (≧∇≦)b and resulting fukushima.
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Maybe doing something that bring back toori aftet being purified by contract? But god, that almost transparant aren't they
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Oot, reading about king james 1 on wiki, next ruler of england aftet elizabeth. In wiki it say the king a gay. And here kawakami make kiyomasive turbolesbian as same as history

[Marcus H.]

Makiko Oriotorai

There's one reason behind this: ORIOTORAI is an anagram of AOI TOORI.
The anagram also works in Japanese: オリオトライ → アオイ トオリ.

"Musashi":
酒井様……！-> Sakai-sama...!
また、いつか…… -> Let's meet again, someday...

Sakai:
またいつか、か…… -> "Meet again, someday", huh...
ー以上、って無いなら、続きを期待しておくよ -> There's no "over" with that, so I'm looking forward to what comes next!

[AB079]

^That's another theory that gained a lot of adepts recently, it may be true but I dunno, I just wanna see a confirmation on 10-B before that.

But, talking about it, the necklace is an indicator about her connection with the Aoi family, plus that she mentions an old lady that could be Kimi I guess?

[charasu]

Isnt what she mean 'old lady' was aoi's grandma, in IZUMO? Their grandma is makiko teacher after all. She visit her when futayo and kimi harveting veggies in garden.

Oh there something fishy happening after hori-ko and co left that grandma house @_@
Well that i think.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by AB079

@cyberdemon very unlikely, remember that Makiko is older than everyone on class plum and PA ODA, doesn't fit the criteria to be their child. But kawakami is full of surprises.

Perhaps she was sent further back into the past because she had another role she could play. If she is sent further back she could train up more and be put in a position where she could train the class. Help them overcome some of the weaknesses that led to their failure in the future rather than take the path the others decided to take instead.

[AB079]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Perhaps she was sent further back into the past because she had another role she could play. If she is sent further back she could train up more and be put in a position where she could train the class. Help them overcome some of the weaknesses that led to their failure in the future rather than take the path the others decided to take instead.

Yeah that can be a possibility, on the last volume she was able to entirely block an attack from Kazuya and that's not an easy task considering she's half loup garou and can use something really close to Spirit form.

Also we need to consider that there is 8 people summoned and we still don't know who's Horizon's descendant.

[charasu]

>SPEER came from GENESIS timeline
In this time line flat honda speculated that they fail to save horizon at mikawa

> torii and horizon had a kid
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If makiko indeed came from future there should be facility that similar with one in the sanada ruin to extract her @_@

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Oot. If hori_ko and Me can had a kid meaning they
Succes rescuing hori-ko at mikawa,
defeat demon king P-01M and reclaim horizon real body.
Then return her emotion to original body@_@
After all. can automaton had a kid?

[AB079]

^Remember that since AHEAD era automatons can have kids, also Horizon's settings page on the LN shows that her body is both mechanical and biological.

P-01m has the original body but all these years she was unable to do anything in the world with tha body since she can stay active for only 2 hours, all thanks to the accident where she almost died.

[EvI]

wait a sec there, toori dies? >_> (sorry if i didn't get it right)

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by AB079

^Remember that since AHEAD era automatons can have kids,

Not all AHEAD 3rd Gear automata....only those of biological human descent. IE Mikage. I don't think the numbered Maids are actually capable of biological reproduction without any additional Concept modification.

[AB079]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Not all AHEAD 3rd Gear automata....only those of biological human descent. IE Mikage. I don't think the numbered Maids are actually capable of biological reproduction without any additional Concept modification.

True, I don't think the maids could do it same as you but maybe after the concepts were released in the world the could probably can after that and as you said, with modifications.

On Horizon the ones that obviously can't have children are the Lourd de Marionnettes but people like Ujinao probably can same as Horizon.

[Cosmic Eagle]

If mechanical Dragons can...... I'm sure advanced automatons can. Won't be surprised if Nobu can even if through the Hashiba automaton body

[charasu]

Originally Posted by AB079

True, I don't think the maids could do it same as you but maybe after the concepts were released in the world the could probably can after that and as you said, with modifications.

On Horizon the ones that obviously can't have children are the Lourd de Marionnettes but people like Ujinao probably can same as Horizon.

Now i wonder why noriki and ujinao kid or ulqi and narumi kids isnt imcluded at SPEER @_@

[AB079]

IT'S HAPPENING.

Summary of 10-B and things are getting better and better. This is why Kawakami's LN's are gems, never fail to deliver.

Spoiler for --:

-In the Spears timeline, they were too late to save Horizon and the execution field thingy vaporized her in front of Toori’s eyes. Toori then touched it himself and was killed too.
-Musashi went around gathering the Logismoi Oplo to posthumously fulfill Toori’s wish.
-Toori and Horizon’s kid was made using an M.H.R.R. method that can create a child as long as you have a sample of the original people, such as a hair. The hairbrush Kimi always used for Toori’s hair and the one used on Horizon by the Tres Espanan girl before her execution provided the necessary samples. Hirano, Kasuya, and Katagiri were also made from Toori’s hair.
-Musashi ultimately fought a final battle against destiny, but they lost and most of them were killed
-The Spears were brought to Avalon as a shelter against the Apocalypse and they live there with Asama, Nate, and Mary. As part of a plan to spread ether beyond Avalon’s border to begin reconstructing the world, the three parents had to leave (essentially killing themselves).
-The Spears eventually noticed someone reaching forward from the past, so they made contact and were taken into the past.
-Once in the past, they could not tell anyone too much about the future because the Double Border Crest would appear and take away whoever they had told. That is no longer an issue because destiny is being subdued by Nobunaga up on the moon.
-What they could tell people, they used to improve upon the Genesis Project, creating what they called the Over Babel Project.
-Suzu manages to guess correctly that Katagiri’s original name was Mukai Ikuo.
-Koroku is Naomasa’s sister who is currently inside Suzaku.
-Kiyomasa is upset with Tenzou because Future Tenzou lied to Future Mary saying he would be back after the final battle but he never returned. Caledfwlch was created by combining the Ex. Caliburn and Ex. Collbrande.
-Tenzou and Mary are forced into retreat and Kani fights Kiyomasa instead.
-Kani defeats Kiyomasa.
-Naito and Naruze destroy Yoshiaki and Angie’s brooms, but that destruction activates improved versions of those brooms left for them (in their brooms' dimensional storage space) by Future Naito and Future Naruze. Naito and Naruze are defeated.
-Asama and Hirano’s confrontation ends in a draw.
-Naomasa defeats Koroku.
-Nate almost defeats Kasuya, but Kasuya activates her beast form. Kasuya almost defeats Nate, but Oriotorai intervenes and declares the battle over.
-Fukushima is revealed to have had two mothers, but the second mother’s identity is never specified.
-Fukushima defeats Futayo.
-To save face after losing so much to Hashiba, Musashi says they were doing the history recreation of Ookubo’s rebellion. That means they can say Ookubo was in charge and the rest of Musashi’s reputation can remain intact.
-Almost everyone is evacuated from the Musashi and the Azuchi.
-Under Ookubo’s command, the Musashi manages to destroy the Azuchi while only losing Oume in exchange.
-Hashiba (i.e. Mitsunari) and “Azuchi” reveal that they were already planning to get rid of the Azuchi and bring out the Yamato, a Musashi-style ship with superior specs that was built as a warship. The Yamato was what destroyed Aki.
-The Yamato is assisted by Sanada Nobushige (who is the reincarnation of the Celestial Dragon Emperor), Tachibana Dousetsu, a copy of Yatsufusa with AI modeled after the fighting styles of Yoshiyasu’s sister and Yoshiyori, Ootani, and Ankokuji Ekei.
-The Musashi is sunk and “Musashi” along with it ;_;
-A lot of the Musashi’s city structure was evacuated in advance, so they set up a surface city in Sanuki.
-Toori is given the inherited name of Matsudaira Motonobu because it’s assumed their helpless without the Musashi and, if he has it, no one else can try to claim it.
-Naito and Naruze are recovering in M.H.R.R. cities after falling to the surface when they were defeated
-While visiting Remorse Way (which was part of the city transferred to the surface), Toori cries and dies.
-Asama has Sakuya catch his soul before it is taken to Yomi and sets up a Shinto ceremony to bring him back to life.
-The ceremony takes advantage of the story of Izanagi and Izanami in which Izanagi says he will have 1500 people born every day. By bringing the number of “births” up to 1501, there will be an extra birth that can be used to let Toori be “born” back into the world and thus come back to life.
-To do this, Asama and Nate will meet with Toori’s soul in a spirit world where time can be compressed and they must have sex with him 1501 times between the two of them. (Yes, really.)
-The book ends just as the ceremony is about to begin.

-The ceremony takes advantage of the story of Izanagi and Izanami in which Izanagi says he will have 1500 people born every day. By bringing the number of “births” up to 1501, there will be an extra birth that can be used to let Toori be “born” back into the world and thus come back to life.
-To do this, Asama and Nate will meet with Toori’s soul in a spirit world where time can be compressed and they must have sex with him 1501 times between the two of them. (Yes, really.)

Oh boy.

[charasu]

^^in shibata ver at Magdeburg : DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(╯°Д°）╯︵ ┻━┻


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1501/2=775&776

Spoiler for :

>ahh so the poking bobs save the horizon isn't happen in this time line, and thats it the branching start
>without master program a.k.a living p-01s they gather and combine logismoi oplo and try save the world, then fail
>OK, whose gonna be suurogate mother for toori and horizon kid? kimi??? afterall tomo, nate and suzu had a bit of toori's @_@
>reaching them from past, ermmm maybe when king carlos and co missing then re-appear?
>destiny die, there goes horizon organic bodies
>suzu know she had toori child
>the fug so naomasa sister still alive in suzaku than go to past and became genbu user?!@_@
>so that's kiyomassive daddy issue
>VS 8 of SPEER: 2 win from(kiyo, kuro), 3 lose from (angi, yoshie, fuku), 1 draw from(hirano), 1 force end(kasuya), katagiri VS masazumi????????
>2 mother, now whose the other one..........
> "-The Yamato is assisted by Sanada Nobushige (who is the reincarnation of the Celestial Dragon Emperor), Tachibana Dousetsu, a copy of Yatsufusa with AI modeled after the fighting styles of Yoshiyasu’s sister and Yoshiyori, Ootani, and Ankokuji Ekei." HOLYYY FUGGING SHIEEETTTT. this is not even sekigahara@_@!!!!!!!!
>*HIKSSS...............
>so toori had 2 inherited name Mitsuhide Akechi and Matsudaira Motonobu a.k.a tokugawa ieyasu, he became horizon father@_@!!!!???
>>>>>> the end, SASUGA KAWAKAMI

>anon: Do we see Oume and the other ship AI maid's deaths, or just Musashi?
>js06: The others were ordered to evacuate before the very end.
But still musashi sunk, and hashiba in full power.(つд⊂)
>and that another spoiler.....(つд⊂)

[AB079]

Bout Naomasa's sister:

-She had the missing parts of her body regenerated by consuming her age, so she ended up younger than she was while inside Suzaku.

[charasu]

Isnt in anime when first activation scane it shown that naomasa sis kinda dead? I mean torn limbs etc in ether form?
That's why i surprise that she still alive.

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Kinda remind me arpeggio,
We have Musashi,
Now Yamato
Dont tell me the next ship of ariadust student gona be Shinano

They are all Yamato class ship back wwII afterall

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by charasu

Spoiler for :

>suzu know she had toori child

Spoiler:

Not just that but guessed a name as well. Suzu must have been thinking about it for a while lol