2012-03-14, 13:16 | Link #41 |
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I certainly like Oro as a villian - he at least isn't deluded about what he's doing. My problem is how many times he's been "revived". I mean if Kishi wants to kill him then just kill him once and for all.
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2012-03-14, 15:25 | Link #44 | |
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This chapter was dull, nothing really interesting happened. Sasuke being so normal was even a bit odd, since recently used to be crazy. If Itachi has to choose between stopping Edo Tensei and saving Sasuke from Kabuto, maybe he will now remember Naruto's words and find a 3rd solution instead of trying to choose between these two. A hint to that is when he says people change when they die. |
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2012-03-14, 15:49 | Link #45 | |
ANIUE!111
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And this would seem like the obvious counter to that counter, though I'd expect a regular genjutsu from Sasuke being used on Orochimaru since I don't think he can use Tsukuyomi unless that's an added bonus of literally having his brother's eyes now. |
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2012-03-14, 19:09 | Link #50 |
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Kabuto takes control of Itachi again by implanting new seals into him and overriding Shisui's genjutsu. Better yet, he can probably just summon Shisui and do it that way. 2 eyes vs 2 Uchiha to convert to his side.
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2012-03-14, 22:01 | Link #53 |
start thinkin bout clones
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wouldnt ending the edo kill itachi anyway, so in turn is he telling sasuke he will talk to him later as a....ill never talk to you as ending it will be kill me.
that translation was rough reading. thank goodness madara is as badass as claimed. how can some of the kages take on 5 madaras....seems pretty hopeless.
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2012-03-15, 06:46 | Link #55 |
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Because he himself is under the influence of genjutsu, and he doesn't want that genjutsu to end because if it ends then Kabuto takes control of him again and then Kabuto can use him to capture Sasuke. Of course this is a matter of interpretation of what was said about the genjutsu of Shisui, one interpretation can be that it is layered on top of one's mind and another can be that it changes someone's thinking instantly. In the first case it's constantly affecting the brain, as if you had glasses or contact lenses that change your vision and thus change your perception of the world, but these glasses or contact lenses can be broken and then you are back to your original state. In the second case your vision has been changed by eye surgery, in this case you yourself have been changed and there's no risk of glasses breaking, that is there is no risk of the genjutsu breaking.
In the second case everything is simple, Itachi just uses Tsukiyomi on Kabuto and frees the Edo Tensei people from, then returns them to where they came from, then talks to Sasuke and then he himself returns to the "pure world". Happy end. The first case is much more interesting, there could be different scenarios, but consider this one for example: Itachi knows that if he uses Tsukiyomi the genjutsu cast on him will eventually break, which means Kabuto will be able to take control of him. In this case he has the time to dispose of the Edo Tensei people, including Madara, but after he saved the kages and the alliance, he might fall under Kabuto's influence again. And Kabuto's goal was always to capture Sasuke, which means Itachi will have to fight Sasuke again. And this time it will be the real thing, if Itachi wins then Sasuke is dead and Kabuto gets his body. Maybe what Itachi is doing right now, that is accepting Sasuke's help, is Naruto's influence on Itachi, he now chooses a 3rd way to do things, even if he doesn't know how things will end up this way, but he refuses to choose between the alliance and Sasuke. edit: quoted the wrong post Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-03-15 at 20:58. |
2012-03-15, 07:31 | Link #57 | |
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That Kabuto would summon Uchiha Shisui. How else is he going to beat two Uchiha with Mangekyo Sharingan? Orochimaru was defeated by Itachi with a single genjutsu technique. If Itachi could beat Orochimaru so easily then none of Kabuto's Ninjutsu acquired from fusing with Orochimaru's DNA are going to lead to victory for him. His only trump card is Edo Tensei. Summoning someone from the dead strong enough to deal with his enemies. What better counter to the Sharingan than summoning a Sharingan user or multiple users? Kabuto has already summoned Madara. The clues I see suggesting that Shisui will come into play is the fact that Kishimoto has given him this reputation as a powerful Ninja in the Uchiha clan that is close friends to Itachi. He had a great reputation, one of his eyes was already shown to be acquired by Danzo as his ultimate trump card and the other was placed inside that bird Itachi forced down Naruto's throat which he eventually used to free himself from Kabuto's will. I fully expect Shisui to make his official debut in the series. I don't think Orochimaru will be making his return. Since he isn't officially dead, just trapped by Itachi's Susanoo it's possible. His name keeps getting brought up and Suigetsu has discovered something interesting from Oro's hideout that he thinks could benefit Sasuke in the war. So anything is possible. But since Kabuto already has Orochimaru's powers I have doubts that Orochimaru has any more place in the manga. It will be very interesting to see how Kabuto decides to fight Itachi and Sasuke. I wonder also if poor Anko who is currently laid out on the ground will be involved in this fight in some way.
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2012-03-15, 07:51 | Link #59 | |
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But remember that because Edo Tensei uses the DNA of the deceased to re-animate them they are re-animated with their full powers in tact. So even if the corpse itself has been entirely dissected and dismembered the Edo Tensei zombie will re-animate the dead with all of their abilities. Sasuke has Itachi's eyes taken from his corpse but as an Edo Tensei zombie Itachi still has eyes. Edo Tensei basically clones the flesh of the dead around a sacrificed host so that they appear as they would have when they were living with their mind and soul in tact as well.
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2012-03-15, 07:55 | Link #60 |
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No, he gave one eye to Itachi before he died--Itachi mentioned that Danzo already had his other eye at the time.
In other words, he died at an unknown time, place, and manner--but we know he had neither of his eyes long before that. Who knows though, maybe Kabuto can conjure something up like what he did with Madara and Mokuton.
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