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Snooker · 2009-01-30, 06:56

"Only the good die young" .Remember Nagisa!!!!

Ruhisu · 2009-01-30, 07:14

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Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Key adaptation. Many people expected it, but it still hits as hard as a power fist, doesn't it?

I agree, I can still feel the pain in my heart but I think that without the movie it would be a much bigger surprise because after it I knew that she will die and I was only waiting for the episode but the pain is still strong.

Shiroth · 2009-01-30, 07:29

Yeah, it happened.

Spoiler for Episode 16:

Zippicus · 2009-01-30, 07:44

This was a pretty harsh episode. I pretty much expected what was going to happen but it didn't make it any easier to watch. I'm expecting the next few episodes to be pretty brutal as well, but I'm holding out hope for a light at the end of the tunnel.

Proto · 2009-01-30, 07:44

One has to give them credit for consistency and faithfulness to the original script. though "There wasn't a special ending in the original material. IT'S NOT IN THE SCRIPT. *ribbit*"

SageGaiGar · 2009-01-30, 07:48

Yeah the ED was kind of like taking that knife and twisting it in the wound. Appropriate for 1st half... I almost think they should've switched the OP and ED around. But as pointed.. "It's not in the script". Have to admire such consistency a bit.

minhtam1638 · 2009-01-30, 07:50

I'll say this coming out of episode 16: It hurt. Bad. Really bad. It will be interesting to see how they will play out the remaining eight episodes after that.

Ascaloth · 2009-01-30, 07:54

Episode 16 article is up:

[RIUVA] CLANNAD ~After Story~, Episode 16

It's not so much an article as it is a tribute; I just don't have the heart for a proper write-up. It's horribly painful, so much so that a 10/10 isn't quite enough.

SuperKnuckles · 2009-01-30, 07:58

I sorta had to laugh morbidly at the super happy sunshine ED that came after. So abrupt.

I hoped they would have a special ED or something, like what most anime does when something big like that happens.

Sinestra · 2009-01-30, 08:06

I have KyoAni's address if anyone would like to mail their mental therapy bills to them.

Well its the next day and i have had time to let things sit but as i sit here at work i still feel like crap i have not felt this bad since Air and that was a bad bad week. In the end i understand everything, why they did it and what message they were trying to portray over all it was nicely done.

There are multiple things you could point out with Nagisa's thinking I will give one example. Nagisa wanted to have Ushio no matter what but what Nagisa failed to think of really was the after effect long down the road. Ushio growing up without a mother will be very hard and Tomoya will always question himself weather he is raising Ushio properly in someways things are going to be worse for Tomoya and Ushio without Nagisa than if she were alive. Then there is Nagisa's parents all i will say is no parent should ever outlive their child EVER. There were pro's and cons to Nagisa giving birth or having an abortion the abortion had the probability to wreck her body as well. But it was Nagisa's choice and she choice life for Ushio instead of preserving her own that is already a true sign of parenthood.

I dont know why they didnt change ED it was almost like mockery of everything that had happen. All i know is that KyoAni next series better not be heart wrenching they owe us a happy ending. 8 more episodes to how are they are going to pull it off after something like this? This what anime is all about my friends to be able to spark such emotion in so many people.

9/10 the ED just killed it i had to take a point of for it.

Meatrose · 2009-01-30, 08:09

Let's just hope they realize that a lot of fans were saddened to see Torch ruin the mood right after what happened. They could decide to swap it for the DVD release though. Such things do happen. I remember that Sunrise changed the ED for Stage 25 - Zero (the final episode of the first season of Code Geass) for the DVDs. That time it was the other way around though. It aired with a custom ED featuring the music from the first OP and they swapped it for the ED that was used for all the other stages of the second half of that season. In my opinion it was better before they changed it, but I hope that KyoAni will go for a swap as well, cause in this case it would make it a lot better. Heck, let Dango Daikazoku make a one-time reappearance if they don't feel like going for a custom ED. Anyhow, I'd be surprised if it happened. I guess we'll just have to learn to push pause at the right moment.

Sheba · 2009-01-30, 08:32

Another way to do it is to not put any music at all, and let the silence speak for itself. I too think that the ED was out of place after such a gutwrenching scene.

Rice_slayer · 2009-01-30, 08:41

Uhmm, I have the subs downloaded, too scared to watch it now

. I will watch in during my 3rd period spare today, Need actual food anyways

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Jimmy C · 2009-01-30, 08:53

I suggest waiting until after classes to watch. The last part might leave you too upset to pay attention to class. Unless you don't want to pay attention to class.

Narzia · 2009-01-30, 08:53

Sad, but not sad enough. I don't know why but it feels like they held back. Was it the strange choice of music (17:06 was great though)? Or that she woke up after they showed the ultimate face of death at 17:29 already? I don't know.

Makoto still reigns supreme.

On a side note, now i understand why Tomoyas father is like he is, judging from the preview. I hope they'll touch that subject later.

Kristen · 2009-01-30, 09:16

I kind of feel like the rating of "1" needs a different name. Because this episode was painful, but it's not like it was a bad painful, it was a good painful.

At first I didn't like the New Year's scene with Kyou, Ryou, Kotomi, and Sunohara, feeling that it might ruin some parts of the story. But, Kyoani just did that scene so well, I can't complain. And they left before the birth, so it was just that much better.

I was a bit surprised in their choice of Umarekawatta Atarashii Seimei for the death scene, but you know, it fit really well. I was expecting something vocal sung in the background, but I suppose this worked.

The death scene was also pretty surprising. They went SHAFT on us! Then again, I guess you can assume that there was no other way to properly do that scene. Really have to isolate the new family, even if it was just for a couple of minutes.

The post-death scene seemed like a potential botch, but I realized what they are doing, which drags into spoilers, so I won't touch it.

ED was exactly as was said before. Twisting the knife in the wound. Though I really wish they did not do that and spend the extra money required to make a new ED.

9/10. Kyoani messed up on a lot of this episode, but the plot is just too strong to downrate it by much.

SuperKnuckles · 2009-01-30, 09:19

I think the entire episode worked so perfectly. So they went a bit Shaft on us, but is that a bad thing? They did it without going overboard like they sometimes do in ef shows.

Also, it's really gutsy of them to show the entire second half almost entirely from Nagisa's first person perspective. That was just striking and bold of them.

LemonMunchies · 2009-01-30, 10:08

They didn't change the ED... At least it cheered me up a bit.

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Nagisaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! !!!!!!!!!

typhonsentra · 2009-01-30, 10:28

Yeah, if any episode was going to get a lot of attention/discussion it'd be this one.

FTV · 2009-01-30, 10:38

Hey guys... what if... they altered all those shots from the next episode to give them a sad tone... but the first part of the next episode is... everything is okay! That could happen right? RIGHT!?

View Poll Results: Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 16 Rating
Perfect 10	180	70.59%
9 out of 10 : Excellent	38	14.90%
8 out of 10 : Very Good	20	7.84%
7 out of 10 : Good	4	1.57%
6 out of 10 : Average	2	0.78%
5 out of 10 : Below Average	1	0.39%
4 out of 10 : Poor	0	0%
3 out of 10 : Bad	0	0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad	1	0.39%
1 out of 10 : Painful	9	3.53%
Voters: 255. You may not vote on this poll

2009-01-30, 07:29	Link #63
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	Yeah, it happened. Spoiler for Episode 16: Good first half, though the minute the second half started i completely forgot about everything that just happened. Second have was extremely heart wrenching --- it was a lot worse going into this knowing the outcome. It's basically a horrible thing to witness when you know how it'll turn out, though i do very much like how they worked with it. Using the sketch Tomoya in the black, being brought into the light when the baby was born, something i really didn't expect. The big flashback scene is what finally done me in though, as they always do. The didn't change the damn ED. Why the hell didn't they change the ED? I would have thought this part in the story would have had it's own song and ED, but no, we get the up-beat happy song. That was a bad choice. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2009-01-30, 07:44	Link #65
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 39	One has to give them credit for consistency and faithfulness to the original script. though "There wasn't a special ending in the original material. IT'S NOT IN THE SCRIPT. ribbit" __________________ How to play Japanese games in Linux

2009-01-30, 08:06	Link #70
Sinestra ション (^^) IT Support Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Freedom Guard Ship Amaterasu	I have KyoAni's address if anyone would like to mail their mental therapy bills to them. Well its the next day and i have had time to let things sit but as i sit here at work i still feel like crap i have not felt this bad since Air and that was a bad bad week. In the end i understand everything, why they did it and what message they were trying to portray over all it was nicely done. There are multiple things you could point out with Nagisa's thinking I will give one example. Nagisa wanted to have Ushio no matter what but what Nagisa failed to think of really was the after effect long down the road. Ushio growing up without a mother will be very hard and Tomoya will always question himself weather he is raising Ushio properly in someways things are going to be worse for Tomoya and Ushio without Nagisa than if she were alive. Then there is Nagisa's parents all i will say is no parent should ever outlive their child EVER. There were pro's and cons to Nagisa giving birth or having an abortion the abortion had the probability to wreck her body as well. But it was Nagisa's choice and she choice life for Ushio instead of preserving her own that is already a true sign of parenthood. I dont know why they didnt change ED it was almost like mockery of everything that had happen. All i know is that KyoAni next series better not be heart wrenching they owe us a happy ending. 8 more episodes to how are they are going to pull it off after something like this? This what anime is all about my friends to be able to spark such emotion in so many people. 9/10 the ED just killed it i had to take a point of for it. __________________

2009-01-30, 08:09	Link #71
Meatrose Antihero Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Area 11 Age: 41	Let's just hope they realize that a lot of fans were saddened to see Torch ruin the mood right after what happened. They could decide to swap it for the DVD release though. Such things do happen. I remember that Sunrise changed the ED for Stage 25 - Zero (the final episode of the first season of Code Geass) for the DVDs. That time it was the other way around though. It aired with a custom ED featuring the music from the first OP and they swapped it for the ED that was used for all the other stages of the second half of that season. In my opinion it was better before they changed it, but I hope that KyoAni will go for a swap as well, cause in this case it would make it a lot better. Heck, let Dango Daikazoku make a one-time reappearance if they don't feel like going for a custom ED. Anyhow, I'd be surprised if it happened. I guess we'll just have to learn to push pause at the right moment. __________________

2009-01-30, 06:56	Link #61
Snooker Call me neet. Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Finland Age: 39	"Only the good die young" .Remember Nagisa!!!!

2009-01-30, 07:44	Link #64
Zippicus Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Detroit, MI	This was a pretty harsh episode. I pretty much expected what was going to happen but it didn't make it any easier to watch. I'm expecting the next few episodes to be pretty brutal as well, but I'm holding out hope for a light at the end of the tunnel.

2009-01-30, 07:48	Link #66
SageGaiGar You are Next Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE USA	Yeah the ED was kind of like taking that knife and twisting it in the wound. Appropriate for 1st half... I almost think they should've switched the OP and ED around. But as pointed.. "It's not in the script". Have to admire such consistency a bit.

2009-01-30, 07:50	Link #67
minhtam1638 Missing In Action Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bridgeport, CT Age: 34	I'll say this coming out of episode 16: It hurt. Bad. Really bad. It will be interesting to see how they will play out the remaining eight episodes after that.

2009-01-30, 07:54	Link #68
Ascaloth I don't give a damn, dude Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In Despair Age: 37	Episode 16 article is up: [RIUVA] CLANNAD ~After Story~, Episode 16 It's not so much an article as it is a tribute; I just don't have the heart for a proper write-up. It's horribly painful, so much so that a 10/10 isn't quite enough.

2009-01-30, 07:58	Link #69
SuperKnuckles Anime Hobbyist Join Date: Dec 2004	I sorta had to laugh morbidly at the super happy sunshine ED that came after. So abrupt. I hoped they would have a special ED or something, like what most anime does when something big like that happens.

2009-01-30, 08:32	Link #72
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	Another way to do it is to not put any music at all, and let the silence speak for itself. I too think that the ED was out of place after such a gutwrenching scene.

2009-01-30, 08:41	Link #73
Rice_slayer Resident Car Buff Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Regina, Canada Age: 31	Uhmm, I have the subs downloaded, too scared to watch it now . I will watch in during my 3rd period spare today, Need actual food anyways .

2009-01-30, 08:53	Link #74
Jimmy C Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	I suggest waiting until after classes to watch. The last part might leave you too upset to pay attention to class. Unless you don't want to pay attention to class.

2009-01-30, 08:53	Link #75
Narzia ┐(-｡ｰ')┌ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Eden Hall	Sad, but not sad enough. I don't know why but it feels like they held back. Was it the strange choice of music (17:06 was great though)? Or that she woke up after they showed the ultimate face of death at 17:29 already? I don't know. Makoto still reigns supreme. On a side note, now i understand why Tomoyas father is like he is, judging from the preview. I hope they'll touch that subject later. Last edited by Narzia; 2009-01-30 at 11:56.

2009-01-30, 09:16	Link #76
Kristen Senior Member Author Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Tech	I kind of feel like the rating of "1" needs a different name. Because this episode was painful, but it's not like it was a bad painful, it was a good painful. At first I didn't like the New Year's scene with Kyou, Ryou, Kotomi, and Sunohara, feeling that it might ruin some parts of the story. But, Kyoani just did that scene so well, I can't complain. And they left before the birth, so it was just that much better. I was a bit surprised in their choice of Umarekawatta Atarashii Seimei for the death scene, but you know, it fit really well. I was expecting something vocal sung in the background, but I suppose this worked. The death scene was also pretty surprising. They went SHAFT on us! Then again, I guess you can assume that there was no other way to properly do that scene. Really have to isolate the new family, even if it was just for a couple of minutes. The post-death scene seemed like a potential botch, but I realized what they are doing, which drags into spoilers, so I won't touch it. ED was exactly as was said before. Twisting the knife in the wound. Though I really wish they did not do that and spend the extra money required to make a new ED. 9/10. Kyoani messed up on a lot of this episode, but the plot is just too strong to downrate it by much. __________________

2009-01-30, 09:19	Link #77
SuperKnuckles Anime Hobbyist Join Date: Dec 2004	I think the entire episode worked so perfectly. So they went a bit Shaft on us, but is that a bad thing? They did it without going overboard like they sometimes do in ef shows. Also, it's really gutsy of them to show the entire second half almost entirely from Nagisa's first person perspective. That was just striking and bold of them.

2009-01-30, 10:08	Link #78
LemonMunchies Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: California Age: 32	They didn't change the ED... At least it cheered me up a bit. ... ... ... Nagisaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! !!!!!!!!!

2009-01-30, 10:28	Link #79
typhonsentra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA	Yeah, if any episode was going to get a lot of attention/discussion it'd be this one.

2009-01-30, 10:38	Link #80
FTV Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Hey guys... what if... they altered all those shots from the next episode to give them a sad tone... but the first part of the next episode is... everything is okay! That could happen right? RIGHT!?