(MFI) Zero no Tsukaima (second series) - Episode 6 Discussion / Poll

[Anh_Minh]

Nah... He did confess to her, and in the novels, he repeatedly thought she looked great.

She's just the flattest of the girls he like. (Or know, with the possible exception of Eleonore and any toddler he could be acquainted with...)

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

Henrietta... Well, I don't blame people who hates her in the anime, since she truly came off as a "royal bitch" even to me. It sucked that they left out Henrietta's reasoning for wishing Saito to embrace and kiss her. Then again, I doubt it'll make much difference.

Could you please elaborate on this? I'd like to know more about it

PS: I think that Henrietta is awesome and one of the most likable characters in the entire show

[asdffdsa]

There was a noticable gap between where Henrietta kisses Saito, and the situation afterwards (as if nothing had happened), so maybe we'll get a flashback in further episodes regarding the actual intermediary events of this encounter (if we're lucky).

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by asdffdsa

There was a noticable gap between where Henrietta kisses Saito, and the situation afterwards (as if nothing had happened), so maybe we'll get a flashback in further episodes regarding the actual intermediary events of this encounter (if we're lucky).

Yes i was thinking this, even more so after i heard about the scene missing from the novel --- kind of like it was done of purpose. The scene sounds to important to miss out for no reason.

[asdffdsa]

Originally Posted by Shiroth

Yes i was thinking this, even more so after i heard about the scene missing from the novel --- kind of like it was done of purpose. The scene sounds to important to miss out for no reason.

True. To the person who has not yet read the novels, don't you think they would have good reason to assume that Saito and Henrietta had continued even after the soldiers exit and close the door, given that Henreitta pushes Saito down afterwards? I'm guessing, in the future, Henrietta will end up telling Louise what actually happened or something.

Spoiler for preview:

As for the next episode, it looks like Saito is getting back into trouble with Siesta again. I hope some progress is made beyond "Saito unintentionally gets into a close encounter with harem character X that he doesn't love, is found by Louise, Louise beats him, repeat" (this has happened for like 4 episodes in a row now...)

[Calawain]

Good episode overall, with a bit more seriousness to the storyline than most of the previous ones.

[DarkZedEx]

After that scene between Anies and Louise I can only say
"Slap a yuri tag on the genre section of this anime."

But yeah I found this episode quite enjoyable, kind of disappointing as I see novel readers mention that alot was left out about the SaitoXHenrietta thing. I don't know how it was explained in the novels, but after watching the anime I can come up with two possible reasons Henrietta would fall for Saito -

Spoiler for :

1) How "Wales" requested her to find a new love.
2) After losing someone so important to her, she seeks someone whom she can rely on to feel protected-she chose Saito because she saw how affectionate and protective Saito is towards Louise, after all she did say "I wanted you to protect me, just like how you protect Louise."

But yeah my reasoning might be wrong, I wish I could get a hold of those novels, can't find them translated though.

But what I'm more curious about is what happened after the soldiers left? They just continued? I mean the next thing you know they were on the bed.

HOW do I know that they weren't done with something on the bed? Sure they had their clothes on but I don't expect them to just get up and then lie down side by side as if nothing happened after a kiss like that.

[mpt37]

Spoiler for ep6:

First she kisses and gropes Siesta and in this ep she kisses Anies! Looks like Louise is as big a cheater as Saito is.

As for the preview, I hope that short clip of Siesta in a school girl outfit wasn't just a dream sequence. Can anyone who's read the novel confirm if it'll actually happen?

On a side note, the last 3 eps have ended with Louise screaming at Saito while the camera pans up, I think it's time to be a bit more creative.

[FlareKnight]

Certainly it seemed like things could've gone on. They do leave it up in the air for people to believe they kept things moving or they stopped at some point. Agree it'd be nice to read the novels and know what's gone on.

Wonder how things will continue on. With Henrietta and Siesta getting into this and not holding back. Don't think Louise responding with being a master and giving out rewards to a faithful familiar will cut it. No doubt it'd be difficult for her to straight out say how she feels but there may be little choice on that.

[Forever]

Originally Posted by mpt37

Spoiler for ep6:

First she kisses and gropes Siesta and in this ep she kisses Anies! Looks like Louise is as big a cheater as Saito is.

As for the preview, I hope that short clip of Siesta in a school girl outfit wasn't just a dream sequence. Can anyone who's read the novel confirm if it'll actually happen?

On a side note, the last 3 eps have ended with Louise screaming at Saito while the camera pans up, I think it's time to be a bit more creative.

Yes I have agree with you. The saito bashing at the end is getting stale. I would like to see saito bashing her at the end instead.

I have to give this episode a 10 as well with mostly due to the reasons that our male viewers have given.

[EphemeralDream]

What would make it funny is if Saito were to grab the whip in mid-swing. Saito then makes a big smile in a "haha I won!" kind of fashion. Then Louise makes a tiny smirk and, with her other hand, pulls out a butcher's knife! Incoming Saito panic!

[DarkZedEx]

Originally Posted by EphemeralDream

What would make it funny is if Saito were to grab the whip in mid-swing. Saito then makes a big smile in a "haha I won!" kind of fashion. Then Louise makes a tiny smirk and, with her other hand, pulls out a butcher's knife! Incoming Saito panic!

You have an intriguing imagination.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by asdffdsa

True. To the person who has not yet read the novels, don't you think they would have good reason to assume that Saito and Henrietta had continued even after the soldiers exit and close the door, given that Henreitta pushes Saito down afterwards? I'm guessing, in the future, Henrietta will end up telling Louise what actually happened or something.

Wait, what? I just assumed they continued kissing long enough to make sure the soldiers were gone.

...

Exactly what happened in the novel?

Originally Posted by DarkZedEx

After that scene between Anies and Louise I can only say
"Slap a yuri tag on the genre section of this anime."

But yeah I found this episode quite enjoyable, kind of disappointing as I see novel readers mention that alot was left out about the SaitoXHenrietta thing. I don't know how it was explained in the novels, but after watching the anime I can come up with two possible reasons Henrietta would fall for Saito -

Spoiler for :

1) How "Wales" requested her to find a new love.
2) After losing someone so important to her, she seeks someone whom she can rely on to feel protected-she chose Saito because she saw how affectionate and protective Saito is towards Louise, after all she did say "I wanted you to protect me, just like how you protect Louise."

I doubt she'd want to do that to Louise. I think she just chose Saito as a boytoy for a day because she wanted to experience being physically close to a boy, and protected by him. She loved Wales, but I don't think they spent much time together, because of their duties.

It's not so much Saito she wanted, as the kind of relationship he shares with Louise.

[DarkZedEx]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Wait, what? I just assumed they continued kissing long enough to make sure the soldiers were gone.

...

Exactly what happened in the novel?


I doubt she'd want to do that to Louise. I think she just chose Saito as a boytoy for a day because she wanted to experience being physically close to a boy, and protected by him. She loved Wales, but I don't think they spent much time together, because of their duties.

It's not so much Saito she wanted, as the kind of relationship he shares with Louise.

Well that's basically what I meant, when I said "she chose Saito because she saw how affectionate and protective Saito is towards Louise" I didn't mean she wanted that and Saito and would take it away from Louise cuz she's jealous or something, I meant she turned towards Saito because of his capabilities of that kind of relationship- you can can only conclude this after the fact that she said "I wanted you to protect me" NOT "I want you".

But yes I agree with you on the boytoy thing, when I said "chose" I didn't mean she would take him away, when he and Louise shares such a close relationship(I guess>_>), I meant she could possibly fall for him or chose him as the boytoy cuz of the reason mentioned above, not take him.

And as for the Wales thing you mentioned, I never said they were much in contact with each other or were very close, I just mentioned she loved him(a fact) and a dying request of this sort, and the desire of wanting to feel protected plus seeing Saito capable of this to kick it is enough for her to turn to Saito.

[Anh_Minh]

I wasn't contradicting you on the Wales thing. Not that I think you're right. I don't think she's quite ready to honor that dying wish.

I just meant she was seeking something she missed with Wales.

[DarkZedEx]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I wasn't contradicting you on the Wales thing. Not that I think you're right. I don't think she's quite ready to honor that dying wish.

I just meant she was seeking something she missed with Wales.

I see my bad then. But seeking something she missed with Wales? Didn't you mention something about them not being able to meet each other alot(and I agree), I really doubt she had much of physical intimacy, or felt protected by Wales, but that is what she seeked in Saito?

Nothing really suggested she was seeking something she missed with Wales. I doubt it was love(most obvious thing she had with Wales) or did I miss something? >_<"

[Anh_Minh]

I think she wanted a boy who was "physically close". And by "physically close", I don't mean "climbing the stairs to adulthood". I mean little stuff like actually being in the same room.

There was nothing obvious suggesting it, but if you compare Henrietta x Wales and Louise x Saito, it's one of the most glaring differences: Louise and Saito are together practically 24/7, while, most of the time, Henrietta and Wales were in different countries.

So that's what I think she meant when she said she wanted to be protected like Louise. She wanted a boy who was actually there with her.

[DarkZedEx]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I think she wanted a boy who was "physically close". And by "physically close", I don't mean "climbing the stairs to adulthood". I mean little stuff like actually being in the same room.

There was nothing obvious suggesting it, but if you compare Henrietta x Wales and Louise x Saito, it's one of the most glaring differences: Louise and Saito are together practically 24/7, while, most of the time, Henrietta and Wales were in different countries.

So that's what I think she meant when she said she wanted to be protected like Louise. She wanted a boy who was actually there with her.

I never really at all intended to compare Henrietta x Wales with Louise X Saito. I just felt it didn't make sense that you said Henrietta was seeking for what she had missed with Wales. Forget "climing the stairs to adulthood"[shouldn't have used the word "intamcy"], even if it's "physically close" or being in the same room it's not what she missed in Wales(that's what we concluded due to the fact that they were in different countries).

Ofcourse there wasn't anything obvious suggesting it, I said there's nothing at all that suggests she missing something in Wales is what she had seeked in Saito. Perhaps she missing something in Wales caused her to look for something else(protection,being in the same room) in Saito.

But if so then what you said about "she was seeking something she missed with Wales" was wrong. But maybe your wording was off and you actually meant missing Wales made her turn towards someone.

[Anh_Minh]

English isn't my first language, so maybe I didn't phrase things properly. Also, I'm not even sure what you mean.

What I meant was that she was looking for something she didn't have with Wales, something she regretted not having with him.

That's why she could be envious of Louise: Louise can be with the one she loves whenever she wants. All Henrietta had was a long distance relationship cut short by politics. Don't you think she'd have wanted to spend more time with him? Heck, ep 2 was all about her throwing away everything to be with her love.

[DarkZedEx]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

English isn't my first language, so maybe I didn't phrase things properly. Also, I'm not even sure what you mean.

What I meant was that she was looking for something she didn't have with Wales, something she regretted not having with him.

That's why she could be envious of Louise: Louise can be with the one she loves whenever she wants. All Henrietta had was a long distance relationship cut short by politics. Don't you think she'd have wanted to spend more time with him? Heck, ep 2 was all about her throwing away everything to be with her love.

I see, alright then. It's just that when you said "she was seeking something she missed with Wales" it sounded very much like you meant that she was looking for in Saito what she had with Wales. When infact that's not possible since she wasn't "physically close" with Wales, which she was looking for in Saito.

When you said "missed" I thought you meant longing for something(eg- the child missed his mother), when actually you meant what she didn't have. Better wording would've been "she was seeking something she didn't have with Wales.

Well then thanks for clearing up my confusion.