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Now that I'm thinking about it, what the hell was up with Sugata and the knife thing? Yeah, I get it, he carries around a knife to protect Wako, but from what? Does he just carry it around on the off-chance someone tries to mug her and he just happens to be there? Well, logic would seem to dictate that he would use it if the Glittering Crux members tried to abduct or attack her, but, as it's been said many times already, the GC member seem to have a thing against trying to abduct her outside of Zero Time, despite it being a perfectly logical thing to do.
I mean, they introduce it in that one episode and then he never uses it. Does anyone else think that was kind of a Chekhov's Gun that was never fired? "Oh, but that's not the point. The point was to show how he felt about Wako and the extremes he would go to to protect her." Yeah, but isn't kind of a shallow gesture when he doesn't even use it and, when you think about it, won't do any good in the first place? This is what people are talking about. Little story elements that are introduced in one episode and never brought up again. |
2011-04-09, 23:26 | Link #3023 |
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I took it to be that the knife was symbolic of Sugata wanting to protect Wako and, since he couldn't pilot Smakeh for most of the show/couldn't be walking around with a sword or gun instead, it's not that strange. Plus Wako did use it on the bodysnacher in one episode, the knife was definitely brought up more than once.
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2011-04-10, 04:15 | Link #3026 |
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Values dissonance. The only type of people that would have guns in Japan are criminals. But a Tanto is far more ingrained in Japanese culture and the Shindo family is supposed to be traditional.
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2011-04-10, 04:27 | Link #3028 |
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Useless but not pointless. Sugata couldn't be sure that the GC wouldn't try and take Wako by force and she certainly was in danger once against that fisherman girl's first phase (and it proved handy against the psycho lesbian). Better to have something than nothing at all. It just shows how paranoid Sugata is about Wako's safety. Like WD said, it's supposed to be symbolic more than anything else.
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2011-04-10, 05:05 | Link #3032 |
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If Wako would be attacked then he would have some mean to defend her since otherwise he would have nothing at all. Symbolism is nice and all but on a narrative meaning it makes no sense at all. They could have used different means to express how Sugata goes to extremes to protect Waku and not the overall cliché of "he has a knife, so it must be to protect people. Look how extreme he is.". The knife hardly shows it because it is tossed aside for Waku to be used, the extreme part is never used so it is kind of silly for them to state so. Guns aren't an option, they are hardly ever an option: in Japan a knife or sword is accociated with protecting someone it is a cultural thing of ancient history. Guns cannot properly defend but instead kill people, no one really dies in this show so they left that out (violence lol). Whenever a girl carries a knife around it is considered as protection, it has been used before in any series with miko's or older women who carry it with them for their own protection. Used too many times if I must add. I agree that it was rather useless though, the powers they oppose from the Crux society would hardly be shaken by the sight of a knife, the knife was meant for Waku to be able to protect herself not Sugata protecting her to extremes because the extreme part doesn't even happen. It is one of the many clichés you see in this series, which is too bad.
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2011-04-10, 05:17 | Link #3034 | |
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I want to stress that this was not an inherently stupid subplot, it's just that it was executed poorly. There was no payoff and there seemed to be no reason for Sugata to carry the knife. As you said, he did use his first phase, which nearly killed him, to protect Wako and that was good. That did show how far he was willing to go. But what about when they're not in Zero Time. What about when they're not in a private or secluded place? What if Wako was attacked or threatened in or near a public place where it would be unfeasible to activate phases? That would be a great time to bring out the knife. But no, I guess the writers weren't that creative. Oh well. |
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2011-04-10, 05:23 | Link #3035 | |
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That sound cheap, not creative.
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2011-04-10, 10:56 | Link #3037 | |
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Suguta had a shit ton of problems that were a mental burden. One could only imagine what was going inside his head.
He knew that because he had the mark, he had the likely chance of dying if he ever used his first phase because all previous members had suffered from that. He also knew that his maids were trained to kill him if he ever showed signs of trying to destroy zero time. His actions were very much observed and he could not act or speak with that kind of risk. The whole knife thing has symbolical meaning in that it represented his resolve to use his life for Wako. Wako getting it as a birthday present seemed like a sign that Suguta no longer felt the need to risk his own life and sacrifice himself. In the second to last episode Suguta made a comment that paralleled Takuto's old friend who knew he was going to die, this was a sign that Suguta was prepared to die. If you knew you were going to die, would you honestly try to be outgoing and friendly with everyone? People can often try to cut ties with people to soften the impact after one is dead. Hell his subtlety created a wonder as to what Suguta's true intentions were at the end. It helps add to the desire to watch and see more. Quote:
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2011-04-10, 15:32 | Link #3038 |
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Too generous IMO, but then again I find nihon review to be a pretty poor compass for recommendations at the best of times. Maybe its the format, or maybe its the fact that after that Kavik Ryx dude left the remainder just feels too skewed toward a certain demographic that is incapable of representing or recommending for my taste in anime.
Basically I go with ANN overall if I can't get a read on a show I might want to watch as long as its not a Carlo Santo review. |
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I would ask how my scenario is cheap, but then again you're the guy who prefers Bleach over One Piece.
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Speaking of which, while I still agree with the majority of points made about this show I must add that you are dangerously close to thread shitting territory here. Give the thread at least some room to breath man. It's not going to make your conviction about the shows quality any less strong. |
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