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Perfect 10 | 44 | 51.16% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 22 | 25.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 12.79% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 6.98% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.16% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.16% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.16% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-02-21, 06:01 | Link #261 | ||
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and the illegal music was only one of the many possible examples, just think about those strange/creepy artists, what would happen if they got found with those works of art but their hue was totally clear? they would be Criminally Asymptomatic too, or are you saying only violent criminally asymptomatic can be added for no reason whatsoever? Quote:
i usually like opinions, but a bit of autocritic is always needed to don't take oneself too seriously personally i'm not interested in a discussion about how (full)psychos are bad, since it would be the same as discussing about how wet is the water, not very interesting and saying all the brains are psychos sibyl-brains = psychos = bad, it's just a more convoluted way to say that the water is wet |
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2013-02-21, 07:35 | Link #262 |
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The word "psycho" is confusing. Since it usually refers to "psychotic".
That's why people invented the word "sociopathy". Also, psychopath =/= bad. It's implied (heavily) however, that the brains in jars ARE bad. |
2013-02-21, 09:16 | Link #264 | ||
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You're also forgetting that those concerts and parties got raided in connection to police investigations regarding arson and murder. The cops didn't go in to investigate what kind of music they were listening to. And remember Rikako's father. He painted the most depraved violent things but we have no indication that that he was a latent criminal with a high crime coefficient, or that anybody would THINK that his past art made his current crime coefficient unusual. Sure he wasn't exactly prolific anymore, but it doesn't seem like we have much basis for assuming that Asymptomatic criminals are detected through regular art work. Hell. Even look at Rikako herself. She was drawing the same kind of disturbed material that her teachers could see, but it didn't shock any of them into thinking if she was a latent criminal. Sure they didn't check her crime coefficient, but if they had and saw it law low, they'd certainly not think this was anything unusual. Remember it takes allot for people to doubt a Psycho-pass reading. People put ALLOT of faith in it. Remember how the factory workers beating on that one guy was okay because their psycho-pass said it was okay? That's how much faith people put into Psycho-Pass readings. Everything we've seen so far points to the only thing that would definitely get you branded as an Asymptomatic criminal is if you did something really overtly violent. Quote:
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2013-02-21, 10:09 | Link #265 | |
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There is no indication that networking all these people together makes some perfect being. That is no different from saying if we wire all the humans on the planet would would somehow become a god. No, in reality it would just turn us into the Internet, with all the pros and cons. Networking humans together at no stage makes us perfect; it doesn't work like that. I would like you to explain why having enough humans in the same room makes us smarter and better at making decisions, because there is no historical proof that was ever the case. Netwrking brains = more perfect being? I would like you to explain that logic. All that it could do is to make the collective smarter... But what does intelligence have to do with perfection? It doesn't allow it to make better decisions; it just allows it to be better at getting what it wants, no matter what it could be. And there is nothing suggesting that Sybil is remotely interested in making an utopian society. And you know why? Because Society doesn't know what Sybil is. Sybil recruits which brain it wants to join itself. There is no room for an outsider to decide "oh wait, the system is skewed, let's put in a different brain to balance it". No, since Sybil polices itself, if it makes a selection error it would be compounded. As it expands, the flaws in selection would become more and more pronounced, and there would be no one to put a stop to it.
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2013-02-21, 12:55 | Link #266 | |
Sensei, aishite imasu
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How the hell can people even make the argument that Sybil is efficient? The last three episodes have focused mainly on demonstrating how Sybil as a dictatorial council actually kinda sucks. Do omnipotent god like beings need to make excuses about why they can't stop small scale rioting? Would omnipotent god like beings have their survival be at the mercy of some Korean hacker deciding to take pictures of them, rather than tossing pipe bombs into their inner sanctum? If the Sybil collective was actually capable of improving itself, they'd at least be embarrassed at their screw up over these last three episodes. Instead Touma goes up right up to Makishima (the guy who nearly fucking destroyed the entire system by himself!) and unironically asserts Sybil's infallibility. I literally cannot conceive how anybody could think that Sybil in its current form is an effective form of government. It's like some people just saw all the SCIIIIIIEEENCE and just forgot about how ineffectual the system has come off these last few episodes.
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2013-02-21, 13:21 | Link #267 | |
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Well, Makishima and a Korean hacker showed that they're far, far from being invincible. It's only a matter of time until someone takes advantage of this degree of arrogance. If it isn't Makishima, it'll just be someone else.
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2013-02-21, 16:52 | Link #268 | |
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2013-02-22, 03:29 | Link #269 | |
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The problem with divesting human emotional responses from decision making is that in a large part, effective human decision making is BASED around emotional reactions. People who do something massively stupid that hurts them/nearly gets them killed don't realize what they did was stupid by an intense internal logical discourse. Their primitive monkey brain tells them that a course of action was ill advised, and THEN the higher brain thinks about why. We evolved this way for a reason. All the clever monkeys who literally thought they could consciously and rationally think through every problem tended to to get eaten when they got confronted with problems that required more instinctive responses. Sybil SHOULD be scared shitless over what happened in episode 16. If Choe had simply decided to start tossing pipe bombs, most of Sybil would be dead. If kougami hadn't made the deduction that he'd made, there would have been too many latent criminals in the basement with Sybil for the one director to have dealt with. Right about now Sybil should be going into a panic attack mode, and seriously reevaluating it's place in the world...except it doesn't. Cause right after episode 16, one of their representatives cockily walks up to Makishima and proclaims that the cowering helpless brains that were nearly all murdered earlier that night are all powerful gods. These are the great minds we're supposed to accept as effective rulers? (Urobachi obviously doesn't think so mind you).
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2013-02-22, 18:41 | Link #272 | |
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And after some thought, I've come to a somewhat cynical and perhaps depressing conclusion. These brains are bored. Very, very bored. Their use to each other's thought patterns, so that's starting to get a bit dull to them. They desperately want a "new toy" to play with. In other words, they want a new and interesting brain to join the Sibyl collective, largely out of a mixture of great scientific interest and simple entertainment need. Makishima is like this very shiny and beautiful new toy to them.
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2013-02-23, 04:21 | Link #273 | |
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2013-02-23, 04:29 | Link #274 | |
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2013-02-23, 07:17 | Link #275 | ||
Sensei, aishite imasu
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...this is NOT Akane in any sense of the word. She has an incredible amount of empathy for other people, and doesn't view herself as an outsider. Quote:
Akane simply doesn't match up for the kind of person inducted into the Sybil system based on how Touma has described it. And outside of conjecture, there's little indication the Sybil system is inducting people who are wildly different in mentality or behavior or past actions from Touma and Makishima.
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2013-02-23, 08:13 | Link #277 | |
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Akane is not above the law like those psychopaths. She is merely a truly lawful person.
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2013-02-23, 20:47 | Link #279 | ||
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Masaoka's explanation on Akane's hue (ep 13): "She accepts things as they are. She forgives society, acknowledges it, and accepts it." Sounds like an outside view, in my opinion. Quote:
Considering they're running the society means that some government heads is most likely in the system already and maybe even the scientists themselves, unless you consider them all criminals too. apurvis99 is incorrect in that her psycho-pass never increases, since it did when they had to fish out Makishima's face from her memory, but the fact that she never went passed latent criminal status (when it should have) and the value rapidly decreased after being slapped back into sense, it's clear Sibyl wasn't comprehending her. |
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2013-02-23, 21:20 | Link #280 | |
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We're not aware of any other way that Sibyl finds new members. If there is another way of finding them, then Touma neglected to inform Makishima of that, which is a curious omission, imo. Now, is it possible that the first brains to make up Sibyl were those of the scientists and/or government heads that created the system in the first place? Sure, that's possible. But even if so, it does seem like the only way for everybody else to get into this system is to do something criminal without setting off a latent criminal reading. But then, in fairness, I could see Akane doing that. Imagine the following scenario: Makishima has Ko at his mercy. Akane picked up an old-fashioned handgun that Ko was carrying before it was knocked out of his hands by Makishima. Makishima mocks Akane again, this time threatening Ko's life. Akane either shoots and kills Makishima with an old-fashioned handgun, or Ko dies. This time, Akane takes the shot. Akane kills Makishima. Her Psycho-Pass reading doesn't go up. Now she becomes interesting to Sibyl.
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