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That's right, I tend to hype quality manga and criticize manga which i deem lacking in comparison. If my comments leads to more people reading KKOW, that's just an added bonus. Quote:
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I'd argue that the art style allows for a lot of facial expressions which increase the comedic value of the manga. But at the end of the day it all comes down to personal preference, I firmly believe that most people who give the manga a chance will overlook the art to truly enjoy it. Also i hardly think the art for beelzebub is much better to be honest, The 3-4 ways in which the eyes are drawn commonly for the characters is quite irksome. Quote:
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I don't see you or anyone else refuting any of the major points i made. If someone were to actually read the current entirety of both manga's and present me with arguments as to why they believe beelzebub is better than KKOW I'd eagerly read and respond. |
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2010-04-18, 19:49 | Link #902 |
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I really dislike KKOW and I like Beelzebub. I feel no need to create a wall of text to point that out. Isn't that enough? If you like it read it and if you don't then don't read it. Although it's laughable to say that KKOW's art is better...
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I do find new enjoyment in every sophisticated books I read, but it's not really appropriate to list them as "entertainment." Quote:
You like the character, the slightest change in them can satisfy you, sure. But I wouldn't call either of them "development." |
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2010-04-19, 09:38 | Link #904 |
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In all honesty, it feels like Poetic Justice's wall of text can be condensed into 'Hey, beelzebub sucks. KKOW is much better. You should all read it'. In the end it's all subjective though.
Plus, let's just wait to see how Beelzebub turns out. It's only 4 volumes in and KKOW didn't really get interesting for me until the last few volumes for the english scanslation.
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Which brings me to my last point that since the plot is almost non-existent in both, KKOW is also better because it offers more lols than beelzebub. |
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2010-04-19, 16:32 | Link #908 | |
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As to what to what you think it worthwhile, well that's your own opinion as well. All I have to say is I enjoy this manga and it's enough isn't it, God...? |
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2010-04-19, 17:03 | Link #909 |
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I fail to see where this is going. This isn't a KKOW discussion thread mate.
Beelzebub is stupid fun. It has dragged slightly in the last couple chapters. There, several pages condensed into a post. So it looks like we might get into the hero finally faces a challenge cliche. Or Oga pulls out the overpowered card again.
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2010-04-19, 17:10 | Link #910 | |
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What I realy want to see after this arc, dispite it being as cliche as hell, is more demon contractors. Its coming to a point that the only opponants strong enough to face Oga, (depending on Miki) are thse who use a demon power up. |
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2010-04-19, 17:36 | Link #911 | |
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I don't see why the mods haven't taken care of this wall of flame and out of topic. I myself have actually never read KKOW for its art, I think I will give it a try.
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If the mods deem it so then they will infract me and i will cease this discussion, But the fact that they haven't so far might provide a clue. The rest can keep giving me negative reps to take out their pent up aggressions and provide me with laughter at the same time. |
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So really, just enjoy KKOW or beelzebub. Whatever suits your manga needs.
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Of course, fictional characters are ALWAYS designed to catch your interest, be they the hero or antagonist (and guess what, the cliches are cliche, because they are what work best). But what is decisive in actually making the characters function as they were designed to? The actual execution. I'm not saying the executions of the development itself isn't important. They are very important, and as the more skillful a mangaka, the more subtle are frequent those developments can be seen. People who read works of mangakas such as Adachi know what I'm talking about. |
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2010-04-19, 20:28 | Link #916 | |
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To your credit, I started reading a couple chapters. I fail to see the comparison of one battle/gag manga (Beelzebub) to the comedy high school antics of KKOW. Shonen? yes. But comparable? Not really. Apples and oranges is more like it. I prefer the insanity so far of Beelzebub's better moments.
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2010-04-19, 20:30 | Link #917 |
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I think Hareluya II Boy is probably a better comparison too Beelzebubb than KKOW
Beelzebub isnt really becoming Battle manga IMO.. i mean most the fights are not even serious and it takes at least one chapter or two. What i consider High school battle manga is probably Tenjou tenge or Veritas . Are the fights getting boring in Beelzebub? Maybe... I mean half the time Oga doesnt take it serious but thats what type of guy he is... he doesnt sweat the little stuff.. (thats from Kongoh Bancho another manga i think its kinda like Beelzebub)
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Beelzebub is more of a supernatural action comedy genre. If there's ever a comparison, it should fall under this category.
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2010-04-19, 22:12 | Link #919 |
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When there's such a big adventure/supernatural background in Beelzebub, any retro delinquent high school life manga is a bad comparison imho. Let them be comedic or serious, are nevertheless the yankee slice-of-life type.
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They are absolutely comparable, Both have a primary focus in humor that has declined in one, Both have delinquent protagonists who have a similar personality. I'd go so far as to say that the super natural element in beelzebub doesn't even have that much of a major impact in the story. Cue Oga going to different schools and beating up 'normal' studentsl. Yes this may change in the future but I'm inclined to say that about the present.
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If you mean that since Oga's life is filled with the supernatural and is thus disqualified from the "everyday life and relationships" state I'd strongly disagree with you there. What qualifies as "everyday life and relationships" anyway? I'd say that most manga with a central protagonist are stories about "Everyday life and relationships" of that character be it a story set on mars or on earth. |
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