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Why does everyone say Eba has deficiencies or doesn`t do anything? What did Asuka do? She played Softball while helping plan a trip paid for completely by Haruto with "ill pay you back in 4 years after I have a job" Peepz got to stop linking Eba's natural clumsiness with the inability to do anything. Last point, people make mistakes, sometimes HUGE ones, massive meteors out of the sky I tell ya, but If my two of my friend we're dating for two years and they broke up and because of another girl who is also someone I know I wouldn't freak out and get mad I would ask him why and if he said straight to my face It's because I love her, I would smile a little bit pat him on the shoulder and say "I see". "who in their right mind will support haruto?" Who the hell in any mind would get mad at their friend because he followed their heart, the fact that your friends with them should mean you know their not an asshole by nature and the fact that he did dump said girl that he's dated for two years in a sloppy way means he's willing to accept any consequences for being with the love of his life, and if you think that you wouldn't feel this way for your friends in this situation then your no friend of mine. |
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they should be angry, not saying to cut ties with him, but make him wonder why his friends are against it. sometimes we go to extreme measures for people who are also extremely stubborn. after all,as of now, they were fed up with his foolishness... Quote:
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time would heal some painful memories especially for people who can move on... but people clinging to a certain past would hardly move on.
nanami and asuka wouldnt have a problem attending harutoxeba's wedding, after few years..and each has their cool and trustworthy fiances.. they would even thank eba for saving them from the incompetent haruto.. BTW, haruto and eba going out doesnt mean they should elope and stop college...they can still study normally and make new friends but avoided by their close friends... "what's the big deal?(coz we dont care)"- Haruto and Eba |
2011-07-01, 04:50 | Link #7987 | |
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i may say: "Asuka is a good girl and she never hurt u, she trusted u, while eba..you know what she did...""i hope u clear your mind first and think carefully...maybe u just rushed things up because you still feel something for eba..just like ur rushed decision to transfer schools before which u failed", "but, what if she hurts u again? what if this is also a big mistake choosing eba just like a big mistake that u think you love asuka?" "i am you friend and ive known u for ages, and ive decided not to tolerate this...for now, you're on your own..." Quote:
when haruto broke up with asuka and she ran towards the door, haruto could not stop her, cause what could she tell her? it would just be pressing the knife deeper. haruto knew he was selfish and it was his mistake... and as long time friends, they believe that haruto can do what kiyomi told them, and kiyomi didnt make up that story, it happened... Quote:
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both agreed to take their relationship slowly, and wont force things.. asuka as the innocent girl, shouldnt make the daring move. the guy cant even take the initiative, now u blame asuka for not "raping" him? she already gave him a hint that it's ok to have sex with her. she just fell asleep because she was tired, and knowing haruto he's kind enough not to disturb her rest. that's how they wanted they're relationship to be... break ups are normal, ofcourse, but we have this "situation" that his friends didnt support. why? because of eba and haruto's past. and considering asuka as their friend, they come up with that decision. u can say im biased because u cant accept my reasons... u wont even accept the authors concept.. seo clearly shows that haruto is guilty of his own actions but he doesnt care for he wants to be with eba no matter what... but u wont accept it... "he just follows his heart, is that bad?"... hehe.. fairies and unicorns doesnt exist...this isnt walt disney... |
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2011-07-01, 07:18 | Link #7989 | |
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Not wanting to join your fight too much, but I feel I should point out something:
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Let that sink in for a minute. Do you honestly think that keeping Asuka hanging on is the right thing to do? To beg forgiveness (that she made clear she'd be willing to give) and then continue living a lie? Do you have any idea how corrupting and nasty it is to be with someone while being in love with someone else? No, he HAD to tell Asuka the truth and separate. We can debate on HOW to break the news, but the general decision he took was correct. |
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2011-07-01, 07:28 | Link #7990 | |
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2011-07-01, 07:54 | Link #7991 | |
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ok, he seems to just figured it out after he met eba again, then what if they havent met? their asukaxharuto relatioship would have continued, and in haruto's mind is "i love asuka"... then no one knew and no one can say "break up with asuka now cause we know you love Eba and not her"... you know what i mean...that's why they are disappointed with haruto... |
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2011-07-01, 09:33 | Link #7992 |
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Those that are making Eba to be a life destroying deal is because it stems from unnecessary hate. I don't like her myself but I don't bash her or make wild assumptions of worst case scenarios because things didn't go the way I wanted them too.
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2011-07-01, 12:21 | Link #7993 | |
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Is this an author note somewhere or are you just saying based on the last most recent 20 pages that we can know for sure whats actually going to happen? I mean yeah it might head in that direction but it actually seems more like everyone gets mad at him but Asuka thinks about it and forgives him and then everyone follows suit. "he even said he doesnt care how the others think as long as he has eba" He is definitely referring to what his friends think of his actions, he does feel bad for Asuka, in fact he probably feels so absolutely terrible he wants to lie in bed for a week and never show her his face again, I'm confident before breaking up with Asuka he thought about all the crazy/silly circumstances she put up with, and how she didn't get angry and trusted him, he thought about all the best times he had with Asuka and how it really was, and after that he really was resolute that he loved Eba more, so much that even if his friends were mad at the situation he knew this was the right thing to do, Like i previously stated, had Asuka and Haruto became Lovers instead of staying close Gf and Bf for so long I doubt there would have been any room for Eba. "eba taught her that" - directed at Haruto though a minor misspelling(for others reading the forum) I assume your saying that wanting to be with the one you love is selfish, I completely disagree but ok, Eba said something like, I'll make you love me someday as long as I never give up it'll work out, I really should get a direct quote but I'm already late so I can't sorry, I feel like your really misjudging Eba again, if wanting to be with the one you love is selfish because it might hurt someone also in love with who you love, then Asuka is also selfish. |
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2011-07-01, 14:48 | Link #7995 |
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his friends have the right to get angry, but not the right to dictate his life. in haruto's situation, they know him from the start and dont want him to fail and get hurt again.
plus, they were caught surprised by his actions... a moment with eba then things became like that? it will be worse if they would support haruto and would just leave their other friend asuka crying alone even she did nothing wrong.... its not because they are childhood friends they will just tolerate his rushed decisions, but it's because they are childhood friends that they dont want him to make another possible mistake...if ur friend punched an innocent guy it is ur duty as a friend to pull him back and tell him that he was wrong and not help him beat that guy... that's why they cant support his decision... and with haruto's past, they really are fed up of his actions.. they let his selfishness slip a lot of times before, but it is more serious now. what would the gang tell asuka? "sorry asuka, he just chose eba over u...and we support him because he is our childhood friend"... they cant be neutral, its normal to side the victim.. if u were cheated by ur partner that u really trust, u rage, u'll get depressed, get drunk, what did i do wrong? some cant even hold their anger and become violent... it would be too bad if your friends would support the guy/girl who cheated on u.. but time would help you forget it or someone would help u forget it.. this is the best for asuka now. forget that haruto who cant keep his word and find a better man.. now that haruto and eba are alone, i hope they end up happy in each others arms...but if they will just end up fighting and break up, then haruto will remember Asuka and his friends... some people just can't understand, dont want to understand, or doesnt even have experience. hopefully, u wont be the next asuka, and worse, with no friends to support u cause they support the one who dumped u, laughing from afar... |
2011-07-01, 15:53 | Link #7996 | |
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This reasoning is terrible, how does this relate at all? I can't even see where you would go with this. " it will be worse if they would support haruto and would just leave their other friend asuka crying alone even she did nothing wrong...." Your right Asuka did nothing wrong, but neither did Haruto, Ditching Haruto because he found the love of his life and it ended up hurting one of their friends is just as silly as ditching Asuka, You have to be neutral or you will sever friendships, being Bias just leads to bigger splitting in the group. "and with haruto's past, they really are fed up of his actions.. they let his selfishness slip a lot of times before, but it is more serious now." What? When? what has he done thats selfish? its not selfish to want to be happy, and with the one you love, all I can think of is the going to tokyo without asking anyone for advice, What incidents are you referring to? "it would be too bad if your friends would support the guy/girl who cheated on u.." "forget that haruto who cant keep his word and find a better man.." You consider Haruto cheating? He feel in love with Eba then he broke it off with Asuka when he could so that he didn't have to cheat on her, and can't keep his word? Your arguments aren't realistic no one can keep all their promises or never tell a lie, even if its by accident, Haruto was totally faithful too his feelings for Asuka, do you remember him running back to Disneyland to buy the new keychain because he didn't want the one bought with Eba to feel dirty, Haruto is a decent guy who fell in love with a girl who loves him back, and they both decided to accept the consequences aslong as they are together. "what would the gang tell asuka? "sorry asuka, he just chose eba over u...and we support him because he is our childhood friend"... they cant be neutral, its normal to side the victim.." Your example isn't being neutral, and your confusing normal with social standards, its standard that the one who got dumped will be feeling bad and they usually get the attention, but that doesn't mean you side with Asuka just because she got hurt. "some people just can't understand, dont want to understand, or doesnt even have experience. hopefully, u wont be the next asuka, and worse, with no friends to support u cause they support the one who dumped u, laughing from afar..." Totally different from what happened or what I'm saying should happen, and your quite hypocritical, with "some people just can't understand, dont want to understand", and also I have experience Two of my best friends had a similar situation though it was more like 1 year instead of 2, one of my other friends started calling the guy who broke up with the girl who was hurt a douchebag and kept ratting on him so i beat the shit out of him, and you know what were best friends today, this was about a year ago and he still thanks me for doing so because you know what, the flaw in all relationships either gf and bf or just good friends is trying to walk in someone elses shoes is really totally impossible and you can never be 100% sure of what their feeling/thinking. My last point on the topic is making sure you approach all situations with a level head and the confidence to believe in yourself and the choices you make and think are the right ones. Ah also the girl and guy i was talking about who broke up there friends again and we all still hang out, hes still dating the girl from a year ago and there planning on moving in together, I know for sure that if I hadn't reacted to my friend siding with the heartbroken girl that our group would have split up, ah though I said beat the shit out of it was more like two punchs and a bunch of yelling at him, and after I explained my POV he agreed and I apologized for hitting him and we have been good friend ever since. |
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2011-07-01, 17:00 | Link #7998 |
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Analysis on Kiyomis talk with Haruto on chapter 141:
Kiyomi: (About Asuka) She said it was really hard for her. She trusted you Kirishima-Kun (why even mention that she trusted him? Is she implying that he somehow broke her trust? If so, is she referring to the break up? Is she leveraging Haruto's guilt about his decision?) Do you remember what you told me here? You told me that "you don't love Eba anymore". Was that a lie? (rethorical question, asked in a biased way, maybe in order to set the stage for what is coming next. She is talking about something he said almost 2 years earlier - in very different circumstances - as if it was something he said yesterday) Haruto: ... It wasn't. I really was moving on... I really did think that I wanted to date Asuka (notice how he is talking about the past, obviously implying that things have changed now. Yet Kiyomi doesn't even stop to consider his perspective, she doesn't ask him how he feels now... because she probably knows anyway. Instead she goes on) Kiyomi: So! Go apologize to her and make up! You are just being fooled by Eba-san right now. If you calm down and think about it you'll see that you are wrong... (Really nice way to ask for explanations... she doesn't even care to listen to what he has to say. She's much more interested in telling him her opinion and that he is wrong. That would be something totally acceptable to say AFTER she has listened to his version) Haruto: I'm sorry. This is the answer I thought long and hard about. I don't plan on changing my mind now... I don't think that I'm wrong! (He is still trying to explain himself here. He wants for Kiyomi to understand that he doesn't think he is being fooled by Eba and that his decision was not made on a whim. He thought about his feelings and he got to the conclusion that he was not in love with Asuka anymore) Kiyomi: Wha!? So you are saying that if she got in your way, you would throw her away like garbage?! That's your carefully thought out answer?! Did she do anything to you? (this is nonsensical raging at its best... he never said anything like that, more on this later. The "did she do anything to you?" part is the best: another "guilt inducing attack", like saying "you broke up with her and she didn't deserve it at all. You are such an asshole". Once again she doesn't care to understand Haruto's feelings. It appears she only wants for him to rethink his decision and she is leveraging his guilt. Even if she is convinced that he treated Asuka like garbage because of the way he chose to break up, the break up itself could not be avoided and that is enough to prevent almost any possibility of Haruto going back to Asuka. This somewhat puts an end to Kiyomi's ambitions) Haruto: We... well, I can't help it!! There's no way that I can date Asuka while I'm in love with Eba!! (here Haruto is demolishing Kiyomi's previous nonsense with a direct statement that is so simple, so honest and so plainly logical that it leaves no room for any kind of rational reply. It doesn't matter if he goes after Yuzuki or not, now that he has realized his own feelings he doesn't feel like deceiving Asuka by dating her while he is in love with someone else. Arguing such a statement would be suicide and even Kiyomi can understand that) Kiyomi: ... What the hell... I can't believe you... You are scum!! Fine, then go ahead and date her all you want!! But no one will ever obtain true happiness if they have to hurt someone else to gain it. (Kiyomi ran out of arguments while confronted with the simple truth of Haruto's previous line, but now she has learned that he is serious about his choice and that he really won't change his mind anytime soon. No point in discussing the issue any further. So she rages one last time, insulting him and shifting the focus from Haruto/Asuka to Haruto/Yuzuki and saying that curious sentence about the impossibility of being happy if you have to hurt someone else in the process... since a couple is made of two people and since a love triangle involves three, then no matter how you couple them there will always be someone who will end up hurt. Yet there are many pretty happy couples around. It's the last attack that tries to leverage Haruto's guilt and it's particularly annoying because it transforms the gift of being able to make someone happy into a responsibility) Now, I agree with the fact that Kiyomi doesn't know the situation as well as we readers do but, as I think I have proved right now, she doesn't appear very concerned about being updated and trying to understand Haruto's perspective. She is mostly trying to get Haruto and Asuka back together or, perhaps, she is just trying to find someone to blame for what happened. |
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a town where you rage, adult romance, drama, ecchi, logic doesn't apply, manga, nice christmas gift seo, power ups, romance, seo kouji, shounen, slice of life |
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