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2010-05-29, 10:28 | Link #162 | |
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I found 'Akashi' in the sixth episode.
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2010-05-31, 00:49 | Link #165 | |
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That's how I interpret him being so much more lucid than her at the time. Or maybe he wasn't kidding when he said he had high tolerance.
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2010-05-31, 03:59 | Link #166 |
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I don't think he was kidding when he said he had high tolerance. I remember him still drinking some more after going to other bars.
I'm also sorry I've broken my promise not to construct posts on Yojo-han but I simply could not stop from disagreeing against somebody who proposed that Ozu and Watashi were the same. I've posited certain scenes (had to re-watch the first three episodes again) that support my exegesis, but it's difficult to defend anything against a postmodern argument. My 'opponent' argues that Ozu is just another personality of Watashi, just as Akashi is another figment of his. I vehemently disagree. I mean, sure, Watashi is a pitiable person. He is pessimistic and quite indecisive at times. But I absolutely refuse to label him delusional or to paint the anime series as some sort of a dream world. It seems too escapist, and it doesn't give Watashi any respect.
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2010-05-31, 19:00 | Link #167 | |
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Genuinely curious why you say that. In the end, he lost everything -- he lost Hanuki, he lost his pen-pal, and he lost his doll (pretty good metaphor that one). Why would you label it as a "victory"?
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2010-05-31, 19:12 | Link #168 |
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That doesn't really change the nature of the moral decision itself. I think we can agree that the proper (but requiring greater willpower) decision is not to take advantage of a drunk woman. A "lesser" man would have given in to the temptation. Whatever incidental plot details occur a result doesn't necessarily change that aspect of the decision or what it says about his character.
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2010-05-31, 20:47 | Link #169 | |
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He could have easily abandoned her to go to the tower and he could have easily taken advantage of her being drunk. He had two situation where he could have chosen his own needs rather than that of the friend who's completely off her rocker but he chose to stay and maintain control of his loins. He didn't exactly "lose" Hanuki, losing the doll was probably for the best, and his pen-pal already made a rather unfair proposition of cutting off all ties if he didn't choose to meet her (considering he was sort of enraptured to a girl he's never even seen or met). |
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2010-06-01, 07:27 | Link #170 |
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This, my friends, is the character development we've been looking for all along. Instead of escaping into emotion and ecstasy, he thought about what his actions would affect, and this is in contrast to the Watashi that broke hearts merely because he was heartbroken or the reactive and caustic Watashi that anathematized Jougasaki.
He has changed.
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2010-06-01, 12:54 | Link #172 |
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If you look at the OP carefully, Watashi switches into Johnny. Likewise, Ozu switches into a certain character that looks more human. I bet it's how Ozu really looks in real life. I think the smirk absolutely gives him away.
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2010-06-01, 16:59 | Link #173 | ||
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The whole episode drew heavily on Freudian psychoanalysis. If you go by that, then Watashi's indecisiveness and reluctance to give in to his innermost desires (by either going with his pen-pal or choosing to have sex with Hanuki), deluding himself, instead, that he's chasing for some remote, unreal ideal of "what makes a man", only made him more miserable in the end -- which is why he wants to rewind the clock. Quote:
I believe you're making a moral judgment that has no bearing to the story -- at no point is either of the choices presented as the "correct" one, and Watashi's final decision not to do anything is certainly not the correct one, for he ends up wishing to go back in time once more.
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2010-06-01, 23:15 | Link #174 | |
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And while I don't doubt what you say about alcohol, I think it's fairly well accepted that decision making, at least, is impaired under the influence of alcohol. I have a hard time believing he would have been less miserable in the long run even if he'd given into instant gratification.
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I guess what I mean is, there's no message in the episode that "making love to drunk girls makes you a very bad person" or "not manly" or "have a small penis" or whatever. Or at least it's not the point. Watashi is still unhappy, even with his decision not to zip down. Or maybe it's because I would have definitely zipped down, heh. I guess that makes me a horrible person or something vOv
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2010-06-03, 14:16 | Link #176 |
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I honestly can't believe how amazing this show it.
Episode Seven makes it clear just how far Watashi has come, and how far he has to go. It's pretty obvious that he's pinpointed "love" as being the answer, after having tried different types of self-actualization. On the other hand, the three different loves he cultivates are entirely shallow and ultimately meaningless. (As always, Akashi waits quietly in the wings) Also of note. We get to see Ozu's true face! What a difference from how Watashi normally sees him.
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2010-06-04, 05:25 | Link #177 |
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I thought that this episode was the 2D complex sublimed. This episode was one huge example of the 2D complex and its complicated appreciation for the inanimate. While this remains to be impressive, I can't help but agree with what WanderingKnight has said as regards Watashi. While his moral resolution was praiseworthy the previous episode, an explication in this episode shows that it is fear that is hindering him. While he recognizes that the answer is love, love can only be realized when it is not stalled by fear.
[Further episode impressions and analysis can be found in the link above.]
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2010-06-04, 08:00 | Link #178 |
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Holy shit so Kaori is the very same blow-up doll that Jougasaki sleeps with? I didn't pick it up the previous episode because I never really assumed Jougasaki would let his doll be over at someone else' place. All I needed to see was the wall-o-titties and I already knew who this guy was.
Speaking of Jougasaki, he and Watashi actually have some similarities as far as Kaori is concerned. He likely has a a fear similar to Watashi, probably of intimacy. While there's probably no denying Jougasaki's egocentric personality, despite the fact that he has an entire harem of women ready to lap him up he somehow finds it better to be with a doll than with real women. This egocentric approach makes it look like he's acting out his inner fears by being a narcissistic douchebag yet retreating into his own world with Kaori and his wall-o-titties. As for Watashi, well those scenes after Jougasaki puts her in his apartment border on fantasy. I can't blame him though, having been in similar shoes but not in such an extreme, since the pull of fantasy over reality will always be strong especially when life sucks ass. I won't hold it against him yet when you consider his... uh... elopement, though that might just be his complete neurologic breakdown. Right now I don't want to believe yet that his deep and underlying problems would really get THAT extreme. But even with a doll his deep-seated fears of intimacy still get the better of him. It actually might have done him good for episode 7 because he hasn't gone completely out of tune with reality the way Jougasaki seems to have. Still the fact that such issues arise even with a doll shows just how rooted his problems are. Thank god for Jougasaki that he didn't thrust his deeply burning passions into her? The biggest surprise of the episode might very well be Ozu's comment to Watashi at the pedestrian crossing: "Be more honest with yourself." Whether or not you have a high or low opinion of Ozu, you can't deny the fact that it's he and Akashi who seem to understand Watashi the most, probably even more so than Watashi himself. Also I just realized that the old woman adds 1000 yen to her price after each rewind. Best scene has to be the Mochiguma. Finally something with Akashi after the last 2 episodes. Adorable but most of all deeply meaningful. I'm thoroughly convinced the Mochiguma will be his Chekhov's Gun when the time is right. |
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