2012-06-03, 01:17 | Link #61 | |
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She gets too much credit for Toradora. The novel was already great to begin with, yet people act as if she created that Torardora.
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2012-06-03, 03:06 | Link #62 | |
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I'm pretty sure that Okada has taken her cues from the project "concept" on just about everything she's done. The question to me has always been what her scripts bring to the table.
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Mmm... not sure I'd be quite so superlative about it, but yes, she's far stronger in characters and dialogue than plot. Her shows often seem to end on a bit of a weak note - even two of my favourites, Otome Youkai Zakuro (which had an anime original end IIRC) and Hanasaku Iroha suffer this to an extent. AnoHana also comes to mind.
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2012-06-03, 03:15 | Link #64 | |
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I didn't say she hates male characters, Outfoxed - I said she hates men. Get it right!
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2012-06-03, 03:59 | Link #65 |
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Iroha ending was close to perfect for me and definitely the best out of what Okada has been involved in.
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On another note, I think this TVtrope sums up Okada: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...rollingCreator Quick, someone add her to the wiki entry! Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2012-06-03 at 04:23. |
2012-06-03, 04:48 | Link #67 | |
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That's two shows,out of a bunch of other anime originals,it's two of the most successful anime originals I'll give you that,but it's not their success that initiated the rise in anime originals,that was already happening regardless of those two shows.
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2012-06-03, 08:50 | Link #68 | |
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If there's one criticism of Okada that i think even her biggest fans should admit to, it's yeah, she clearly has issues with men.
Hanasaku Iroha alone demonstrates that. There were plenty of male characters in that show, and by the end of it, the only one that wasn't emasculated and/or made to look bad was Tohru (well, and Beanman, but he was a pretty minor character). Contrast that with most of the female cast that, by comparison, come out smelling like roses (especially the female lead Ohana of course). Quote:
I never said that it was. But it's obviously important for anime originals to sell well, or there will likely be less of them over time. Unlike with adaptation work, there's no "It bumped up sales of the source material" to fall back on if the anime original bombs when it comes to DVD/Blu-Ray sales. So the anime industry likely needs good, recent examples of well-selling anime originals in order to feel like the risk of making them continues to be worth it. Let's face it - It's a lot safer, commercially, to take a very popular source material like Persona 4 or a Type Moon/Key property and adapt it into anime then it is to create something brand new and hope it catches on. Even some adaptations of popular source material that are widely held as poor adaptations (Shana's second season, for example) still manage to sell well. By writing two successful anime originals during a period where they were on the rise, Okada has helped ensure that this rise continues. She didn't initiate that rise, no, but she's helping it to continue. If nothing else, I doubt we'd be getting a HSI movie (which is itself an anime original) if the original HSI anime had bombed.
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I'm not saying she hasn't achieved anything,but I don't why one should single her out when to me it's all been a team effort,I'm certain Nagai and Ando contributed to Ano Hana and HSI's success.Nagai went on to direct Ano Natsu as well showing he doesn't need Okada to find success.
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2012-06-03, 10:20 | Link #70 | ||
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Now I'm imagining a fujioshi Okada proclaiming that 2D bishies > 3D men. No wonder she still doesn't have a bf yet and her script reflects that in the way she likes to emasculate every one of them in her stories . Quote:
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Ando... Not sure about this guy. His debut as the chief director on Sword of the Stranger was amazing, but subsequent to this he hasn't really stood out. He directed a few episodes here and there for series like FMA (1st series), Wolf's Rain, Raxpheon and True Tears, but for work where he was the primary director (Canaan and Hanasaku Iroha), two of them were with Okada on script, with only the latter being successful. So that 2/3 series (soon to be 3/4 with the Iroha movie) that had Okada involved . |
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2012-06-03, 11:29 | Link #73 | |||||
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While Directors are important, probably most important for adaptation work, I don't think we should sell short the role of the head writer, especially for anime originals. A lot of the flaws people point out in shows like Guilty Crown and (admittedly ironically) Aquarion EVOL comes down to writing. Both Guilty Crown and EVOL have good-to-great Directing, IMO, but their writing doesn't match up as well. Likewise, I have little doubt that a lot of the strengths of AnoHana and Hansaku Iroha comes down to writing. Quote:
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I mean, isn't it good to see male protagonists that are actually worth rooting for? If you're going to have a lot of characters from both genders, then it might be nice to at least try to be a bit even-handed about it, and not cast one gender has drastically inferior to the other. Quote:
I'm not saying that female characters are handled perfectly in anime, but they're handled a helluva lot better than how Okada handles her male characters, imo. At least moe girls get to be, well, moe. Which, for many anime fans, means much the same as "likeable". Okada's male characters are often total losers or douchebags where it's sometimes hard to find any redeemable traits at all. Quote:
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2012-06-03, 20:27 | Link #74 | |
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For example, while I think Fate/Zero the LN is great, I don't say the same for Fate/Zero the anime, because the transition isn't very good and it seriously needs an editing job. You can definitely see Gen Urobuchi's influence in the anime, but it feels more like someone copypasted his writing, and that's definitely not his fault.
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2012-06-04, 07:29 | Link #75 |
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Man, a particular line from the latest AKB0048 episode (ep 6) made me rofl so hard.
"The more popular and noticeable, the more haters they attract." Is that an insert self-commentary Okada? In fact, that whole episode seemed like a meta episode about Okada's "haters". Oh god. It appears Okada thrives on the rage and tears of her haters. Man, Okada-san your ego is as large as our solar system EDIT: Chieri is awesome in the way she tells all her colleagues to "harden the fuck up" and give a middle one too her haters. Main reason why I'm watching this rather "so bad it's good show". Hiromi (True Tears) ---> Tsuruko (Ano Hana) ---> Chieri (AKB0048). The lineage continues! I think I liked the ep for the completely wrong reasons Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2012-06-04 at 11:23. |
2012-06-04, 08:10 | Link #76 | ||
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The message wasn't so much "hater's gonna hate, ignore them" but rather something like "hater's gonna hate,but I love and cherish them too!"
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2012-06-04, 11:36 | Link #77 |
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I really don't see the man-bashing in her works. If she was doing that intentionally it would be MUCH more prominent.
Also, am, am I really the only person who actually watched BRS and thought it was well-written? Last edited by Tyabann; 2012-06-04 at 11:47. |
2012-06-04, 12:49 | Link #79 | |
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2012-06-04, 13:23 | Link #80 | |
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I really hope this apparent fad of "trolling" with anime dies out sooner rather than later, especially since if it weren't for this occuring with some shows I'd be willing to argue that we're seeing some of the overall best anime being produced in a while this year. This trend though...really dragging down the averages almost singlehandedly. |
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