2004-09-20, 11:38 | Link #22 | |
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Tsukiyomu hypnotizes the victim when the user is in the Mangekyou state so no, the Tsukiyomi cannot be used like that.
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2004-09-20, 11:42 | Link #23 | |
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Yes this i what i don't understand, what is this Mangekyou State? |
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2004-09-20, 12:01 | Link #27 |
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Ok, the Mangekyou state what does it do to the user?
Like am trying to understand how the Mange + Tsukiyoumi are used. And when Itachi vs Kakashi, when Itachi open his eyes, Kakashi tells Asuma and Kunerai(sp?) to close their eyes or they are dead why? |
2004-09-20, 12:05 | Link #28 | |
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The strain form the illusion is stronger on a non-sharingan user. And once again, The mangekyou state allows the user to perform Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu and maybe other attack we do not know of.
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2004-09-20, 12:08 | Link #29 | |
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2004-09-20, 12:13 | Link #30 | |
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But Itachi explanation made clear already the difference between the Tsukiyomi and the Mangekyou, the Tsukiyomi being the jutsu that Itachi used whereas the Mangekyou is the 'true' (rather the extent) bloodline's limit of the Uchiha. Hmm some pics... Spoiler:
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2004-09-21, 00:23 | Link #33 | |
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I think I just explained myself wrong. The Sharingan grants Itachi the ability to hypnotize people, Mangekyou form further enhances his abilities, allowing him to perform Tsukiyomi, which in turn let's Itachi 'create' (not really create, more like make believe) a world for his victim where for a very small time he is god. So Tsukiyomi itself isn't what Itachi uses to hypnotize his victim, rather the Mangekyou Sharingan... which was the point I was trying to make... Now if that's wrong then I do infact have to go check up on some back issues of the manga... |
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2004-09-21, 02:21 | Link #34 | |
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Tsukiyomi, which might not even be the correct spelling, is a jutsu that the Mangekyo Sharingan can perform. It's a jutsu the Mangekyo Sharingan has. They really aren't different things, per se. And about the differences between the Mangekyo Sharingan in the manga and the Mangekyo Sharingan in the anime... The anime wasn't trying to get the point across that Tsukiyomi and the Mangekyo Sharingan are different things, it's simply an error made by the animation team. In the manga, the eyes weren't shown during the process of Tsukiyomi and Amaretsu or whatever (definitely incorrect spelling) until around chapter 224. |
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2004-09-21, 02:42 | Link #35 | ||
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God How many times does it need to get spelled out on this page. Quote:
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2004-09-21, 02:55 | Link #36 | ||
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Edit: ...wait... I think I'm picking up on your point... Are you saying that Tsukiyomi isn't done through the Mangekyo Sharingan? Because Tsukiyomi is similar to the genjutsu that we've seen Kakashi and Itachi cast in the sense that it's done through the eye itself. Itachi, "This eye has a special jutsu, Tsukiyomi..." So...yes...the attack is done through the eye. Quote:
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2004-09-21, 09:26 | Link #37 | ||||
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The difference is that the manga never showed the eyes at this point but merely the sound effect of a change in Itachi's eyes whereas the anime team made the mistake to show them. Quote:
Once again the Tsukiyomi is the Genjutsu, ie it's the illusion technique. And the Mangekyou is the bloodline limit allowing to use such jutsu. Quote:
You can use the Mangekyo Sharingan and do another jutsu than the Tsukiyomi, the Amaterasu for example or something else. And it's the same thing for the Sharingan, Kakashi used his Sharingan to cast a Genjutsu against Zabuza, that doesn't mean that the Sharingan and the Genjutsu are the same thing, just that the Genjutsu can be used thanks to the Sharingan. Quote:
I don't talk about what they shown, I talk about what Itachi said. And it's precisely said that the Mangekyou Sharingan are the eyes, the true extent of the bloodline limit of the Uchiha whereas the Tsukiyomi is a special Genjutsu using these eyes. |
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2004-09-21, 10:12 | Link #38 | ||
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a) You create a form of physical illusion which can't be interacted with. (example: normal Bunshin; Oboro Bunshin, used by the rain genin against team 7 and Kabuto in the Forest of Death) b) Through hypnosis you suggest to your vicitm an illusion, which in a way can be interacted with but only by the person being hipnotized. (examples: Kakashi suggesting to Zabuza what technique to use, Itachi vs Kakashi, Spoiler:
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2004-09-21, 12:52 | Link #39 | |
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The Tsukiyomi is the jutsu causing the illusion and the Mangekyo Sharingan the Dojutsu allowing to use the Tsukiyomi, simple as that. |
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2004-09-21, 13:23 | Link #40 | |
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OK what I'm saying is the mangkyou sharingan enhances Itachi's hypnotic abilities, allowing him to perform Tsukiyumi... In other words the Sharingan is what is being used to hypnotize, Tsukiyumi, the techique, is what is being done with the hypnotic abilities of the sharingan in mangekyou form.. I'm somewhat confused at this point, I seem to have lost my point somewhere between this post and the last post I made... I'm sure it's in there though... |
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