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Old 2010-12-02, 09:49   Link #501
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This week-end I'll go to make my stand in a comic convenction, then, for some comic news, next week.
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Old 2010-12-02, 11:05   Link #502
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Whoa, evil Rai. That's a new one.
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Old 2010-12-04, 23:26   Link #503
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Well I'm certainly late in replying but here I am nonetheless.

I have to agree with Wing Zero Alpha in regards to much of this alternate history being too farfetched for me. Beyond the issues of "how" that he raised, I also feel a need to ask "why" on several topics, as well as a few other questions.

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Well, about C.C head chopped, I read a lot of different stories, for example in the "nightmare nunnally" comic she was burned alive like "witch".
Another fact, a code owner with head chopped can revive if someone fix the head to the body, but I believe more of the murderers just wanted the code, then for survive, the code pass to the first human available.
If I'm understanding this right, then it still leaves the question of why C.C. took so long to get rid of her Code if decapitation would still kill her. As well, if it will move to another person of its own volition, then wouldn't it do so when she was burned at the stake? Decapitation may have been merely (very heavily) implied but her being burned at the stake was explicitly shown happening.

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About the example of Horatio Nelson, britannia noblemen founding fathers just built that city-state in Canada to lick their wounds, then America colonization worked like we know.
So in your version, the betrayal of Benjamin Franklin and the American colonies losing the revolutionary war was just a part of Charles "rewrite" of history?

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For how V.V used the collective unconscious without C.C, the explanation isn't ended there, in chp 4 the rest, however I could explain better, united states changed in britannia empire, then, and using charles geass + collective unconscious, the world accepted it without investigate (that sort of things) but for brainwash and control billions of people, the power had to be MORE and MORE, then C.C.
Now we come to the bulk of my concerns. First of all, why would Charles rewrite history to make Britannia an "Evil Empire" and near global pariah nation, when he had already made Britannia so beloved and respected (even if it was through Geass) that he could influence China's government and make everyone get rid of nuclear weapons entirely? At this point, why not just ask to be allowed to search for and excavate the Geass ruins? He'd probably still need to use his Geass here and there for further "persuasion", but they apparently left the city of London untouched in the show. If he was able to rewrite history, then why not do so to further expand the amount of love and respect people had for Britannia?

If I'm guessing on the latest preview page, then Rai was the one who ordered the SAZ massacre at V.V.'s request. Assuming from the art, that he has a Geass similar to Lelouch's as in Lost Colors, then this only adds to my above query of why Britannia bothered making war, when a Geass like Rai's and Lelouch's would have let them control people much more effectively, be it the Imperial court or foreign leaders. In fact, why not hook Rai into the World of C like Charles did to alter history, but instead have him make the world get along or at least not oppose Britannia in its completion of Ragnarok?

On that last note, why would Charles be so disbeleiving of Lelouch using his Geass on the World of C, when Charles had done precisely the same before?

Finally, there is the issue with the Geass Canceller. Jeremiah was using it all across Tokyo in order to free any soldiers and workers that Lelouch may have used his Geass on, when he happened to Cancel Shirley. In regards to Charles' "rewriting" history around 1991, and assuming that they just shifted the "A.D." to "a.t.b" then wouldn't anyone over 30 be Cancelled as well, and then wouldn't people around 40 and above start making a fuss about the bizarre mass hallucination of an entire alternate history?

My long list aside, the chapters were still fun to read, with Elizabeth snuggling Lelouch being my favorite scene, and with any luck, you already planned to address my concerns in the next chapter, as with Wing's. I'm interested how all these revelations will bear on Suzaku, given that Euphemia's Geassing wasn't even done by Lelouch (unless Rai was sadistic enough to Geass Lelouch to Geass Euphemia) and that Rolo, someone Suzaku is indirectly responsible for getting put in Ashford, killed Shirley.
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Old 2010-12-05, 17:03   Link #504
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In fact, chapyter 4 duty is fix more of your observations.
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Old 2010-12-07, 13:57   Link #505
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Not to borrow from my own work, but I would think such a revelation would break Suzaku a fair amount, as he would realize his entire grudge against Lelouch was based around a series of misunderstandings and misperceptions. This would go along with the fact that he used Lelouch's acts as Zero as his own excuse to aid in and then later cause "evil" acts on his part, such as his selling Lulu out to the Emperor for patronage to the Knights of the Round, subjugating Japan even further and aiding Britannia in conquering the EU. Upon realizing that Lelouch was actually virtuous and that he only pretended to be a villain (the dialogue between him and Euphie at the SAZ would especially be hard on him), Suzaku would lose the meaning behind his grudge as well as the basis for his own horrid acts. At the least this would cause him to see a good portion of his life as a waste and at worst he'd end up like my Suzaku in Megiddo, though I would think Euphie (and Nunnally if my hunch is correct) would be able to prevent the latter.
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Old 2010-12-07, 20:37   Link #506
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In fact, chapyter 4 duty is fix more of your observations.
That's good to hear.

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Not to borrow from my own work, but I would think such a revelation would break Suzaku a fair amount, as he would realize his entire grudge against Lelouch was based around a series of misunderstandings and misperceptions. This would go along with the fact that he used Lelouch's acts as Zero as his own excuse to aid in and then later cause "evil" acts on his part, such as his selling Lulu out to the Emperor for patronage to the Knights of the Round, subjugating Japan even further and aiding Britannia in conquering the EU. Upon realizing that Lelouch was actually virtuous and that he only pretended to be a villain (the dialogue between him and Euphie at the SAZ would especially be hard on him), Suzaku would lose the meaning behind his grudge as well as the basis for his own horrid acts. At the least this would cause him to see a good portion of his life as a waste and at worst he'd end up like my Suzaku in Megiddo, though I would think Euphie (and Nunnally if my hunch is correct) would be able to prevent the latter.
I agree that I would expect a degree of eye opening, but I really can't see Suzaku breaking from much of this, at least not as thouroughly as in Megiddo. Lelouch was many things, but virtuous is not one of them, as Katase, Xing-ke, and the BK could attest to when he used and discarded them. Nunally was more important to Lelouch than the world, just as death was more important to Suzaku (see the destruction of Tokyo), though the conflicting desires did bring both of them pain.

As for the conversation with Euphemia, it will depend on just how close to canon it actually went. In the show Lelouch did still plan to use Geass on Euphemia in such a manner that would utterly destroy her image and likely shatter her spirit. Even if he was "courteous" enough to make her forget that her favorite brother was the person she had just shot, she would still be reviled as a liar and trickster who gave the Japanese false hope, just to murder their savior on live television.

Mostly though, without the Devastation, I think Suzaku could effectively hold onto his belief that while Lelouch's actions brought about good, there were still other, more "correct" options available. In some ways, Suzaku reminds me of Patrick Kenzie from Gone Baby Gone.

Plus there is the fact that Bonzo's Suzaku is altogether more vicious than in canon.
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Old 2010-12-08, 19:02   Link #507
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New preview, I'm a little perplexed about suzaku body proportions in the last panel.

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Old 2010-12-08, 19:40   Link #508
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Well that certainly looks like a shattered expression to me in the last panel. Lelouch Geassing Euphemia on Kamine island into doing something is an interesting angle, and I'm curious how this will bear on his later plan to Geass her to shoot him at the SAZ. Best guess I've got is a slight mindwipe by V.V. when they were dropped into the ruin chamber with Schneizel, so Lelouch would still believe that he could affect her.

Just the same, I am a bit concerned that you may be moving to try and retcon out some of Lelouch's more questioable actions, but I'll reserve judgment until I see the full story.

Despite the apparent deep and painful nature of these revelations, I found myself imagining that Euphemia was yelling at the memory image to Lelouch that he had promised not to look.
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Old 2010-12-08, 19:48   Link #509
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I agree that I would expect a degree of eye opening, but I really can't see Suzaku breaking from much of this, at least not as thouroughly as in Megiddo. Lelouch was many things, but virtuous is not one of them, as Katase, Xing-ke, and the BK could attest to when he used and discarded them. Nunally was more important to Lelouch than the world, just as death was more important to Suzaku (see the destruction of Tokyo), though the conflicting desires did bring both of them pain.
Okay, bad choice of wording there. Basically I meant was Suzaku would see that Lelouch wasn't and still isn't the monster he pretended to be through the revelation.

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As for the conversation with Euphemia, it will depend on just how close to canon it actually went. In the show Lelouch did still plan to use Geass on Euphemia in such a manner that would utterly destroy her image and likely shatter her spirit. Even if he was "courteous" enough to make her forget that her favorite brother was the person she had just shot, she would still be reviled as a liar and trickster who gave the Japanese false hope, just to murder their savior on live television.
Yeah, Lelouch planned to use Geass on Euphie at the beginning, but only because he believed Euphie was being disgustingly naive in her plan for the SAZ, namely that she was doing it for him. When Euphie proved to him that she actually thought it all through, he stepped down and admitted Euphie as the victor, which is the point that would drive home on Suzaku's psyche (whereas if Lelouch had been what Suzaku thought he was, then he would have intentionally Geassed Euphie regardless), along with the idea that his whole reason for hating Lelouch after that point was based on an accident.

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Mostly though, without the Devastation, I think Suzaku could effectively hold onto his belief that while Lelouch's actions brought about good, there were still other, more "correct" options available. In some ways, Suzaku reminds me of Patrick Kenzie from Gone Baby Gone.
That's debatable, as Suzaku has learned firsthand that those "other options" amounted to nothing in the end. Yeah, Lelouch wasn't perfect, but he gained results, whereas all Suzaku did was escalate Britannia's hold on Japan and Europe and almost aided in establishing the majority of Southeast Asia as Areas. Yes, he routinely claimed it all went to a good cause, that being him becoming Knight of One and establishing his personal sovereignty over Japan, but dismissing the fact it was all for nothing in the end, he still did the very thing he belittled Lelouch over (committing evil acts for "good" intentions), and even then he wouldn't have solved anything.

Even on the off chance that he didn't act to Japan the way Vidkun Quisling did to Norway on the Third Reich's behalf, he would have still essentially damned the rest of the world to servitude in order to save his own little corner of it. For all the things Lelouch had done, at least he considered everyone, not just the Japanese. As such, if Suzaku doesn't feel even the slightest remorse over that past way of thinking, then he's more of a self-righteous SOB than we all took him for.

After all, even Neville Chamberlain eventually caved in and declared war on Germany (whereas before he notoriously attempted to keep peace with Hitler) when the latter invaded Poland.

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Plus there is the fact that Bonzo's Suzaku is altogether more vicious than in canon.
True enough, but again that's mostly due to the fact he still believes Lelouch purposely turned Euphie into a monster for his own gain. Take that away, replace it with a full dosage of "truth" and "reality", and he would lose the very foundation of his existance for the past 12-13 years or so. And believe me, that's never a pleasent experience, realizing that you lived your life the way you did over an accident or misunderstanding, especially when you yourself have caused so much damage in the meantime.

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Old 2010-12-08, 19:56   Link #510
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As for the page itself, I'm with Betteroffer, Lelouch Geassing Euphie on Kamine is a new one. I don't have a clue on what he was trying to accomplish there, but I get the feeling that it was something beneficial for Euphie's sake as opposed to him attempting to use her or humiliate her like he tried to do at the SAZ initially (but happened anyway). And damn, as sadistic as I may sound, I actually like that look on Suzaku's face (yes yes, I would). Talk about "deer in front of the headlights".
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Old 2010-12-08, 20:21   Link #511
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Well, the flashback on kamine island is just a giant lie Euphie's saying to Suzaku.

Lelouch not used the geass on her to start the massacre, but at the same time he couldn't use the geass on euphie to stop her, because he used it already in kamine island.

But, for what?

However, I'll fix suzaku's body tomorrow.
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Old 2010-12-09, 09:08   Link #512
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Suzaku's body fixed.
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Old 2010-12-12, 06:06   Link #513
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I'm not sure I understand, but I hope this "lie" Euphemia is telling doesn't cover this revelation directly, as it seems too harsh to 'break' Suzaku with a false revelation, especially if it comes from the woman he loves. Whatever the results are, I would hope that in the end Suzaku could find a way to reconcile with Lelouch, as their friendship was trully important to each other in a deep sense. I know Kallen told Suzaku not to come back, but I'd still hope for some improvement in their relationship somehow.

Also, something I forgot to mention about the previous page's art is that in the third panel Lelouch's left arm is coming out of his cape like a coat, even though the cape is still closed at that level around his chest.

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Old 2010-12-12, 18:54   Link #514
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Old 2010-12-12, 20:47   Link #515
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Betteroffer, check your PMs for a reply.
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Old 2010-12-17, 13:48   Link #516
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A big preview, two page to go, then this is the lst preview before the complete chapter.

Spoiler for A biiig one!:
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Old 2010-12-22, 12:34   Link #517
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Old 2010-12-22, 23:43   Link #518
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Old 2010-12-23, 00:29   Link #519
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I'll second that Hooves.
I too am anxious for the next release.
Excellent job with this fan-manga Bonzo.
It has been very entertaining and a pleasure to both view and read.
You are clearly both a talented writer and artist.
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Old 2010-12-24, 14:55   Link #520
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Chapter art complete, now, the text.
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