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Perfect 10 | 365 | 44.95% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 199 | 24.51% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 92 | 11.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 76 | 9.36% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 31 | 3.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 20 | 2.46% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 9 | 1.11% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 4 | 0.49% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 0.25% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 14 | 1.72% | |
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2008-12-01, 04:27 | Link #681 | |
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I see it as atonement for all the people he killed, for all the people he wrong, the brainwashed soldiers, the soldiers he had kill themselves, the JLF, the innocent people he had killed, the people he killed in revenge, Euphemia, Shirley, and Rolo. While he didn't mean to kill those three his actions did kill those three through stupidity. It's the belief that he was wrong on a lot of things that seperates him from Light "I am a god" Yagami whose end is rightfully pathetic. |
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2008-12-01, 04:55 | Link #683 | |
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Light is a villain protaganist who thinks his a god, and his end is the best scene in all of Death Note. |
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2008-12-01, 04:59 | Link #684 |
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don't tempt me to the tl;dr XD
I basically think that what drives Lelouch in the end is the realization that all he had done has been abusing something he has being given - not by fate, by his father via CC to fit in his plan - without understanding the full entity of what he was doing. His will has always been weak untill this realization, and he has been used just as much as he had used everyone else for his purposes. He had done a lot of horrible things, and surely felts the responsability for Euphie, Shirley - and also Nunnaly at that time. So he decided to push to the extreme what he had done, because he chose to be free from being used, free from his guilt, free from the remains of his own morals, those same morals that normally limit human beings. He refused to be a victim of his errors, but push the error to the extreme in an extreme expression of his own will that made possible what is the final outcome of his plan: restart the world. And all he had done as emperor is wrong, still wrong in the means, and I'm persuaded he knew all the time, but he did still because he realized that he has the power of changing the world, imposing his will upon the events that had made him lost everything, so that the same circle of guilt and hatred could be break. Abusing Geass, he had stepped over the dignity of people, but with this experience he realized that being used as a tool, or an excuse, is the worst thing a human being could experienced. That's why I don't buy the moral that the 'ingrates' survived the end of the 'good one' - it's for people like the one that survived he had done all of this. The last 'geass' he casted, is what he said to Suzaku, and Suzaku litterally answered "I accept this Geass" That's why I feel that, with all his downs, Code Geass has a great moral in the end, putting free will as the most important value. |
2008-12-01, 05:21 | Link #685 | |
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Charles may be smart but he can't predict the future. Also if the moral was free will being the most important value than its broken The people didn't choose peace, Lelouch using his own will forced it on them by tricking them. There is peace, but the peace is based on a lie, and the people including the entire Britannia army, and the Black Knights where simply Lelouch's plan. If they where going for peace by free will than the ending would be more like the ending in Endless Waltz when the people stand up to the Barton Foundation, and start stating that they don't want war. If they where going for free will at all cost than peace shouldn't be made, unless its a group decision like it was in Gundam Wing. Also in both interviews and within the story itself its stated that Lelouch died for the price of using geass, that shows morality. |
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2008-12-01, 05:28 | Link #686 |
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Actually. It was by chance. Marianne was with Anya. Let's assume that Lelouch's mom takes over Anya several times to keep in contact with Charles. Maybe Marianne ordered C.C. to babysit or have a contract with him since on episode one, when C.C. found Lulu , she said "I found you."
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2008-12-01, 05:47 | Link #687 | |
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That's way too complicated, and takes in way too many outside factors Charles plan was most likely for Lelouch to join him that's all. Charles was suceeding without Lelouch's help so I don't see why the hell he would need some crazy plan involving Lelouch to work. |
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2008-12-01, 06:05 | Link #688 | ||
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People do crave for their freedom, but they have limits - grudge, principles, prejudices, arrogance, sense of betrayal, their affects and belongings - they are not able to overcome, and they keep on hurting each other, oppressing each other. It's frequently said that you do not realize how precious is something untill you lose it - Lelouch's absolute tyranny and his final abuse of Geass was a mean to make the world realize how precious freedom is, and that cohesistence was the only real way to say 'Never again'. Paradoxal as it is in the execution of the plan, it's the right of everyone to be free Lelouch's been fighting for, this is the message this story left to me. To me at least. (gotta rewatch Endless Waltz.. I don't remember a damn thing about it! ) |
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2008-12-01, 06:15 | Link #689 | |
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I think the main problem is that Lelouch's tyranny is only informed, we never see how opressed the people are so the fact that free will is taken world wide is never seen. Evil Emperor Lelouch is a far better ruler than Charles or Schneizel would be. Also since everything was according to Lelouch's plan than the new world is created not by free will but by lies. |
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2008-12-01, 06:33 | Link #690 |
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What I believe, is it that his death was not his punishment. It was part of it. But his main punishment was that he wouldn't get to finally live a happy life. Think about it, If Lelouch had gone back and made everything right and didn't continue with the ZR, he could have had a happy life with Nunnally (He had changed his plan multiple times, after he discovered Nunnally was alive, he was planning to go save her and keep living, but he made his final decision when he saw Nunnally was strong enough to live by her own will/thoughts and didn't need Lelouch to protect her and care for her anymore) He could of had a lover (C.C. or Kallen, people will debate about that) He would have his bestfriend back. He would finally have a happy life.
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2008-12-01, 06:55 | Link #691 | |||
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When he realizes that Nunnaly had thoughts similar to his owns, he felt in a way even more legitimate in carring on with his plan, and used his Geass - for the last time in the show, if I'm not wrong - on her to secure his victory. Last edited by Levy; 2008-12-01 at 07:09. Reason: Nunnaly character development happened in two episodes but it was not too bad :3 |
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2008-12-01, 15:13 | Link #692 | ||
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"The average fangirl is happy..." Because I certainly wasn't. ;P Quote:
*totally agrees with that*
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2008-12-01, 15:21 | Link #695 | |
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Now I'd love you even more, but I'm not sure that's even possible... oh well. I can always try!
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2008-12-01, 15:26 | Link #697 | |
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Not even with the Suzaku part, because I kind of saw it coming and wanted to see him interact with Lelouch some more before he stabbed him. Agreed. xD
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2008-12-02, 06:56 | Link #699 | ||
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a) he is not Lelouch b) he's obstaculating Lelouch c) the rebel is always the most appealing one d) Suzaku's attempa to change things from the inside was percieved as hypocrisy. Last edited by Levy; 2008-12-02 at 08:20. Reason: note to self: learn how to spell, moron! -.-; |
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2008-12-02, 06:58 | Link #700 | |
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some like it some dont (i never really disliked him in season 1) season 2 is self evident he starts the season by selling out lelouch for power and position and he gets pleny of dog kicking moments later on in the season
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