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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana III - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 26 | 40.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 23 | 35.38% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 4 | 6.15% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 12.31% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 3.08% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 3.08% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-12-04, 14:22 | Link #42 | |
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but yes, he has always been able to eat POE from denizens Tenmoku is a torch. It's the only way for him to keep existing in this world
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2011-12-04, 20:41 | Link #45 |
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Ugh, god I really don't like Shakugan no Shana. It's all about creating drama and action, and almost never does it in any clever way. Actually, I find most of the drama and action to be completely without thought, to the point that it sometimes don't even make any sense. Let me tell of some examples I found in this episode.
Since being imprisoned, Shana has been desperate for a chance to counter-attack and escape. If she knew summoning Nietono no Shana was an option, she would have done so long ago (optimally when Serieden was left almost deserted, if her being consistently capable of thought--and not just when it suits the story--was an option), yet she's not at all surprised when just shouting its name makes it appear in the form of Tenmokku Ikko (who is an armor apart from the sword by the way, but to hell with consistency when there can be drama). Shana appears seriously injured after the blast in the corridor--perhaps even unable to move her lower body, as she spends two minutes of our time crawling on her forearms. Then when the maid-rinne grabs her she is able to spring up, go ape-shit on it and then stand up and appear fine when Tenmokku Ikko appears. Perhaps the most puzzling occurrence in this episode is that Tenmokku Ikko was able to cut through Fecor's Magnecia and kill him...I mean WTF. Very powerful flame haze haven't been able to do so in the past, but suddenly when it's important to the story that he die, BAM! he's dead. I suppose using those wings on his back to fly away from the slow-moving suit of armor (oh, wait; it suddenly learned to run in this episode) wouldn't occur to a character that is destined to die for there to be more drama and action. Maybe the authors are unable to create characters that can consistently think on even a basic level, let alone be smart or behave appropriately to their background and experiences, from which one can infer a roughly accurate portrayal of a how person might act (not brain-dead, in the case of most these flame haze and guze no tomogara--most of which have lived a looong time, learned a lot and experienced much). Or maybe the intended audience is 13-15 year old boys who the authors for some reason expect will be unable to understand why their story and their characterization especially, is awful. |
2011-12-04, 21:18 | Link #46 | |
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2011-12-04, 21:25 | Link #47 | |
A true 灼眼のシャナ Shanite. :D
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It's as simple as that. There are many other fans who love this series for it non-original story, storytelling, characters, and message it tries to give. |
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2011-12-04, 21:33 | Link #48 |
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I think the generalization was unnecessary and blunt, but I think it's no better if people attack him and tell him that he just shouldn't watch it either. If people would like to address the points, I think that would be reasonable, but otherwise it may be better to just leave it. People are allowed their opinion.
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2011-12-04, 21:40 | Link #50 | |
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I'd ask that further posts focus on the actual arguments or just let it be.
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2011-12-04, 21:44 | Link #52 | ||||
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Okay , let's get this shit over with, shall we?
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2011-12-04, 21:47 | Link #53 |
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So, unless they come up with a comeback for Fecor (which I really hope not...), I guess this would be the first death of any major character since like Sorath/Tiriel in season 1, right? And hopefully more are going to come, since Shana is a bit character heavy now.
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2011-12-04, 21:58 | Link #54 | |
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Perhaps I should have wrote that the story might be intended to appeal most to those who don't notice or disregard these inconsistencies, as it is more my own opinion that they make it below average quality. That doesn't mean though that I can't occasionally find Shana endearing, or the drama and action exciting. |
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2011-12-04, 22:02 | Link #57 | |
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^ You have a point there.
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2011-12-04, 22:20 | Link #58 | |
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In any case, the criticism itself has been duly noted. The original points were about Episode 9, so it makes sense for them to be in this thread. I don't think the points themselves were off-topic... though admittedly this tangent about the way he phrased things is, and hopefully that's over now. (This time, I chose to explain it rather than either deleting the post or allowing a flamewar to erupt.)
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2011-12-04, 22:30 | Link #59 | |
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I don't think it's a poor judgment of character to think it odd that Shana, who has trained to fight or fought Guze no Tomogara all her life, would be so frightened she was unable to move in that corridor. Or that she would hesitate to make every attempt of escape once the threat of the Trinity and Yuji (who she still may not be in a correct state of mind to fight) was gone. And true enough, once they were she focused only on finding a chance to do so. Since she never once thought of summoning Nietono no Shana, I think we can safely conclude she did not know that was an option. That's why I think it's weird that she wouldn't be surprised that her desperate and last resort attempt actually worked. It would have been a simple thing of amazement and maybe some self-indulgent gloating that the awesome sword is hers. And if Tenmokku Ikko was really able to kill Fecor, at least credit him with a fight scene! I guess a prolonged fight would have looked silly though, with Fecor being the lone combatant with the ability of flight. But maybe Fecor could have considered the threat of Tenmokku Ikko bringing Shana the sword worth the risk of diving in for an attack, only to be unexpectedly crippled and defeated. I would have liked to see something like that though, instead of Tenmokku Ikko just walking through him (I guess he was just unlucky to be in the direct path Tenmokku Ikko was taking to Shana?). |
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