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Chris38 · 2013-07-03, 08:40

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Originally Posted by Feng Lengshun

It's probably already asked sometimes before but, could a Campione become a God or something? I mean, they might be written in history like Uldin did and become a God. Maybe some of the Steel were originally Campione or something.

On that note, has it been mentioned when exactly did Pandora opened her Box? Ancient Greek, Before Gilgamesh's time, before humanity? And I wonder how was the God's life before the Campione system was created... did the Heretic-Proper system even exist then, etc.

So many speculations...

Doubt that an actual Campione can become a God ... since, physically they are still human, while gods are beings born through myths.

Of course a Campione's deeds ... might cause the birth of some myths and legends, which could result in the birth of a new god, but it would still be a different being, then the Campione that was the "catalyst" for this new god.

As for you're second question, no it hasn't been mentioned, at least I don't remember it... being mentioned.

Feng Lengshun · 2013-07-03, 08:49

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Originally Posted by Chris38

Doubt that an actual Campione can become a God ... since, physically they are still human, while gods are beings born through myths.

Of course a Campione's deeds ... might cause the birth of some myths and legends, which could result in the birth of a new god, but it would still be a different being, then the Campione that was the "catalyst" for this new god.

As for you're second question, no it hasn't been mentioned, at least I don't remember it... being mentioned.

Maybe the God will looks like the original source? Not to mention that there are actual theories that Gods are actually revered humans so maybe the God born from it will have the original Campione's memories and appearance. No, for starter, what actually decides the God's appearance?

I kind of think that it is technically possible due to Lancelot being able to gain new aspects despite being born from an older legend.

I don't know whether to like the fact that it is unmentioned or not. On one hand, that could be used in a fanfiction (yeah, I'm writer of one Campione fanfic) on another hand it could be like with Aisha, the whole theories fell apart thanks to new updates (worse, it might happen just before publishing).

Chris38 · 2013-07-03, 09:30

^

So, far ... everything related to the creation of new God's, has it's source in myths.

And, since no one is capable of controlling how a myth is spread among humanity, the end result is more or less, random.

That's why I currently think that there is pretty much impossible for a Campione to be reborn as a God, since myths tend to exaggerate things, and all of it, has an effect on the characteristics of the god that would be created using those myths as it's "catalyst".

Take Godou for example, considering the rumors that surround him ... how do you think a god based upon him, would be behaving ... since, personally I doubt that it would be anything close to Godou's actual personality...

bakapervert · 2013-07-03, 20:50

I want to ask, all the sidestory, where does it come from and when is it released? Does it come together as one package with the LN? Or maybe the author post in the website or in some magazine?

Kadi · 2013-07-04, 00:05

They're posted on the publisher's website. Every month, one series that releases a volume that month also gets a short story. Campione was rather lucky in that regard.

zzhk · 2013-07-04, 00:21

Link to the side stories on the publisher's site:
http://dash.shueisha.co.jp/feature/

bludvein · 2013-07-04, 01:59

Holy crap there are a lot of adbots on baka-tsuki lately. That can't be a good campaign plan. I mean, who honestly even reads their ads? The only thing they do is insure people are too pissed off to even consider buying whatever they are selling.

Gore17 · 2013-07-04, 03:59

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Originally Posted by Feng Lengshun

On that note, has it been mentioned when exactly did Pandora opened her Box? Ancient Greek, Before Gilgamesh's time, before humanity? And I wonder how was the God's life before the Campione system was created... did the Heretic-Proper system even exist then, etc.

Interestingly, Pandora was once a Mother Earth Goddess, according to real-life archaeology and Campione terminology. And it's know she's descended from a older Goddess.

My guess is that Pandora and the Campione's have been around for a long, long time.

Feng Lengshun · 2013-07-04, 06:10

Still don't know what the Box is or its effects actually though. Only thing we know is that Pandora took the hope from the box to create the Campione system. Question is, what about the disasters?

Kadi · 2013-07-04, 06:16

The intro to the Drama CD makes it sound like the Heretic Gods are the disasters and the Campione are the tiny shred of hope. But if that means that Pandora is really the "culprit" behind Heretic Gods coming to earth, too, and not just the births of Campione... who knows. I don't remember anything from the main storyline. Maybe it comes up later? Some final arc after the King of the End-arc is over?

Gore17 · 2013-07-04, 11:41

If I remember correctly, Heretic Gods are "distorted", which is why benevolent Gods end up bringing disaster and misfortune, right? What if that's Pandora's fault, and Campiones are her way of fixing the problem?

Ultragunner · 2013-07-04, 11:53

any Gods that manifest fully in the "living world" will become "heretic" or twisted. They can only maintain their true nature, for example Verethragna is a heroic god of justice, when they stay in the world that Susanoo is living at the moment

Chris38 · 2013-07-04, 22:08

Well, while I agree that Heretic God's are twisted, and wreck havoc in the world ... but,I wouldn't say that Campione's aren't different, then them.

I mean, they obviously aren't that twisted .. but they certainly have their own weird personality quirks ... and also wreck havoc in the world ... just look at Salvatore Doni, for an example.

Although the existence of "The King of The End", definitely suggests, to me, that there might be some deeper connection between Heretic God's and Campione's, that we are currently unaware off...

Feng Lengshun · 2013-07-04, 22:26

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Originally Posted by Ultragunner

any Gods that manifest fully in the "living world" will become "heretic" or twisted. They can only maintain their true nature, for example Verethragna is a heroic god of justice, when they stay in the world that Susanoo is living at the moment

So what about Proper Gods then? I don't really know much about them but I think one has appeared, Erlang wasn't it?

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Although the existence of "The King of The End", definitely suggests, to me, that there might be some deeper connection between Heretic God's and Campione's, that we are currently unaware off...

I kind of think of him as another part of the system, pretty much the part that re-balances the system once it's too heavily tipped to the Human/Campione side while Campiones naturally manifests when the scale is too heavily tipped to the Gods side. Kind of like the Demon/Hero System in the world of Rance series. That would means that there would be an arc to find out about the truth of the system though.

chrono25 · 2013-07-04, 23:09

I was wondering if someone could clear something up for me I might have asked before and if I have I appol.. could u direct me to page where I was answered

can someone tell me in a little detail the difference between a campione and someone using Divine Possession I know the campione's body is changed when they are reborn and I know they are still somewhat human and that their body can only take a portion of power from a god using the authorities used by which ever god they slayed and that someone using Divine Possession is a human channeling the powers of a god but I still dont quite grasp the difference between them in terms of power they use

they should stand equal .

blackwhite67 · 2013-07-04, 23:21

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Originally Posted by chrono25

I was wondering if someone could clear something up for me I might have asked before and if I have I appol.. could u direct me to page where I was answered

can someone tell me in a little detail the difference between a campione and someone using Divine Possession I know the campione's body is changed when they are reborn and I know they are still somewhat human and that their body can only take a portion of power from a god using the authorities used by which ever god they slayed and that someone using Divine Possession is a human channeling the powers of a god but I still dont quite grasp the difference between them in terms of power they use

they should stand equal .

Campione are basically gods. They get all the powers and it becomes natural to them. Divine Possession is channeling the power of a god through a human body, which is like pushing a waterfall through a pinhole.

Yami no Ou · 2013-07-05, 02:31

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Originally Posted by Feng Lengshun

So what about Proper Gods then? I don't really know much about them but I think one has appeared, Erlang wasn't it?

proper Gods reside at the Domain of Immortality

Feng Lengshun · 2013-07-05, 02:38

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So, Erlang is also a Heretic Gods? I haven't really read the extra story The Illustrious Sage, True Lord Erlang but according from what I have been reading, he doesn't seem to be one. Am I wrong?

Chris38 · 2013-07-05, 03:03

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Originally Posted by Feng Lengshun

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So, Erlang is also a Heretic Gods? I haven't really read the extra story The Illustrious Sage, True Lord Erlang but according from what I have been reading, he doesn't seem to be one. Am I wrong?

No, you're not wrong. Erlang just has the ability to "partially" manifest his divinity in the human world, while his "main body" remains in the domain of immortality.

Yami no Ou · 2013-07-05, 04:14

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Originally Posted by Feng Lengshun

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So, Erlang is also a Heretic Gods? I haven't really read the extra story The Illustrious Sage, True Lord Erlang but according from what I have been reading, he doesn't seem to be one. Am I wrong?

no he isnt a Heretic God he is a Proper God he just manifested a part of his divinity using some sort of Divine Artifact(I can't properly remember if it is)while his main body is residing at the Domain of Immortality
EDIT: its the talisman used to seal Sun Wukong which has deep ties to True Lord Erlang

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Ultragunner Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	any Gods that manifest fully in the "living world" will become "heretic" or twisted. They can only maintain their true nature, for example Verethragna is a heroic god of justice, when they stay in the world that Susanoo is living at the moment __________________

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Feng Lengshun Old Wine Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: In my Body	^ So, Erlang is also a Heretic Gods? I haven't really read the extra story The Illustrious Sage, True Lord Erlang but according from what I have been reading, he doesn't seem to be one. Am I wrong? __________________ *A Really* Extensive Guide on Making a Story, OCs, and Characterizations.**

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Chris38 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Poland Age: 38	^ So, far ... everything related to the creation of new God's, has it's source in myths. And, since no one is capable of controlling how a myth is spread among humanity, the end result is more or less, random. That's why I currently think that there is pretty much impossible for a Campione to be reborn as a God, since myths tend to exaggerate things, and all of it, has an effect on the characteristics of the god that would be created using those myths as it's "catalyst". Take Godou for example, considering the rumors that surround him ... how do you think a god based upon him, would be behaving ... since, personally I doubt that it would be anything close to Godou's actual personality...

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bakapervert A pervert Join Date: Oct 2012	I want to ask, all the sidestory, where does it come from and when is it released? Does it come together as one package with the LN? Or maybe the author post in the website or in some magazine?

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Kadi 知識の探求者 Join Date: Feb 2012	They're posted on the publisher's website. Every month, one series that releases a volume that month also gets a short story. Campione was rather lucky in that regard.

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bludvein Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	Holy crap there are a lot of adbots on baka-tsuki lately. That can't be a good campaign plan. I mean, who honestly even reads their ads? The only thing they do is insure people are too pissed off to even consider buying whatever they are selling.

2013-07-04, 06:16	Link #7790
Kadi 知識の探求者 Join Date: Feb 2012	The intro to the Drama CD makes it sound like the Heretic Gods are the disasters and the Campione are the tiny shred of hope. But if that means that Pandora is really the "culprit" behind Heretic Gods coming to earth, too, and not just the births of Campione... who knows. I don't remember anything from the main storyline. Maybe it comes up later? Some final arc after the King of the End-arc is over?

2013-07-04, 11:41	Link #7791
Gore17 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012	If I remember correctly, Heretic Gods are "distorted", which is why benevolent Gods end up bringing disaster and misfortune, right? What if that's Pandora's fault, and Campiones are her way of fixing the problem?

2013-07-04, 22:08	Link #7793
Chris38 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Poland Age: 38	Well, while I agree that Heretic God's are twisted, and wreck havoc in the world ... but,I wouldn't say that Campione's aren't different, then them. I mean, they obviously aren't that twisted .. but they certainly have their own weird personality quirks ... and also wreck havoc in the world ... just look at Salvatore Doni, for an example. Although the existence of "The King of The End", definitely suggests, to me, that there might be some deeper connection between Heretic God's and Campione's, that we are currently unaware off...

2013-07-04, 23:09	Link #7795
chrono25 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012	I was wondering if someone could clear something up for me I might have asked before and if I have I appol.. could u direct me to page where I was answered can someone tell me in a little detail the difference between a campione and someone using Divine Possession I know the campione's body is changed when they are reborn and I know they are still somewhat human and that their body can only take a portion of power from a god using the authorities used by which ever god they slayed and that someone using Divine Possession is a human channeling the powers of a god but I still dont quite grasp the difference between them in terms of power they use they should stand equal .