(CR) Island TV Series

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Cloudedmind

In regards to baby Setsuna, I think it's because the successor has to be female, to go in line with the original mythology of the island.

Ah, thanks. But that doesn't mean the father had to hide baby Setsuna in a shack all these years. They could have been raise brother and sister.

[Zangor17]

So they went anime original. I'm actually not disappointed by this. I really liked this, and like many other anime some questions left unanswered and new ones. but i feel like the core narrative was wrapped up pretty well. Seems like Setsuna and Kuon are gonna work on their stasis machine but i guess for something other than themselves traveling through time. I like that Kuon was the Rinne to Setsuna for their legendary pair (even if unlike the legend they aren't brother and sister which is actually better) and having Setsuna not go further with his Daughter due to a feeling was all kinds of asspull, but its asspull i can enjoy!

I do wonder how old Setsuna is. judging by the series as a whole id put him in his mid to late 20's definitely not much older than 30. And if that's the case Kuon being off by 20 years probably didn't shrink the age gap a lot but at least "She" is older now.

Really glad it had a decently satisfying and happy ending while still leaving stuff for people interested enough to go and buy and read through the source VN too!

[wuhugm]

^Can anyone explain the difference between the VN and the anime?

So you mean repeating worlds (cycle) is not in the VN?

[Zangor17]

Spoiler for VN->Anime differences/changes AFAIK:

Alot of the stuff is in both formats is the same afaik. The first part of the anime up until Never Island was pretty much the common/3 girls routes but condensed and altered a bit. Never island was also there but more expanded (really everything in the anime was compressed compared to the VN but im sure you all figured that much) The big difference was after Never Island. alot of the anime is the same but at a key point in the last episode somethign was different. In the VN i dont think any of the final endings there landed you with Kuon in summer, thats all anime original but most of the world/lore/relationships are the same (Incest is very much a thing in the VN)

Correct me if im wrong

[wuhugm]

So you mean Kuon's ending didn't exist in the VN, but father-daughter incest do?

[Nachtwandler]

Originally Posted by wuhugm

So you mean Kuon's ending didn't exist in the VN, but father-daughter incest do?

Nah. Kuon's ending exists and is actually a true end of the VN. Though, it is more twisted.

[wuhugm]

^Mom best girl!

Now the question is, since in the previous world Winter Rinne Kuon had already existed, that means Amnesiac Setsuna failed to remember her and he needs 1 more loop to repeat to arrive in a world where he remembers everything?

So the true objective is actually to perfect the time machine?

[dragon1412]

hah, as i guess, people confuse even after the end. Anime original though but i can live with this. It actually a pretty ok end.

spoiler is now fine right, in your question erotora, the midsummer, ie true end can lead to both Rinne or Kuon depend on your final choice, but Kuon actual end is like Nacht said, more twisted

There is no time travel involved. And it is implied that Setsuna actually went through this many time before

[wuhugm]

^Gimme that twisted spoiler brah

[Marina2]

Originally Posted by dragon1412

hah, as i guess, people confuse even after the end. Anime original though but i can live with this. It actually a pretty ok end.

spoiler is now fine right, in your question erotora, the midsummer, ie true end can lead to both Rinne or Kuon depend on your final choice, but Kuon actual end is like Nacht said, more twisted

There is no time travel involved. And it is implied that Setsuna actually went through this many time before

Where (or should I say when) did Setsuna come from before he started to go through endless loop?

[dragon1412]

usspaul pm me for spoilers before, so i reposted my message here

Spoiler for Heavy spoiler:

Originally Posted by dragon1412

Sure

1st you need to know the nature of the world and timeline: basically, there is a summer era and winter era, which alternate in that world and when the end of an Era come, everything reset, follow by the next era. Now you have guess it by now, no time travel happened, only cold sleep.

Now in the Winter/Summer circle, the people in there reset, so you have counter part in Summer/winter version. As you see from the anime. now to proceed If someone pull a cold sleep and sleep past an era, what will happen, yes, they will come to next season, and have their memory wiped. This is Setsuna.

Now the natural assumption is Rinne(Winter) = Rinne( SUmmer) but this is actually a mistake and why i call the ending is a big confusion. When you read the VN and gone all into all route to get all info. the story timeline is: Summer (island) -> Winter(Never Island) -> Summer2(true end - Midsummer).

Now in Summer1, Setsuna gone into cold sleep to save Rinne, lead him to Winter, which he met Rinne(winter), none memory. he fell in love with Rinne(winter) but the situation make him pull a cold sleep again into summer 2. And Rinne ( winter) come along. Now the issues came, Rinne(Winter) is actually Kuon, i'd call her Linne now since it seem that is the official translation. And you have guessed partially like now, Rinne is Setsuna daughter as she is noted to not linked to Norimasa by blood. Now the issues isn't even in their relationship but the paradoxes surround them: think back:

1 - Setsuna enter cold sleep in order to save Ohara Rinne
2 - Setsuna meet Linne and fall in love, enter cold sleep at the end.
3 - Setsuna gone back to true end

Now the issues is, in order for Setsuna to go into winter, he must met Rinne, but Rinne is Linne daughter, so Setsuna must meet Linne 1st so that Rinne can exist, It became a chicken and egg question. Without Rinne and her end, Setsuna would have no motivation to the future, which he won't meet Linne and Rinne won't exist. the whole thing repeat.

At the beginning of Midsummer route, Setsuna remember what happened in Summer and winter before and managed to change the issues for the true end. But i would said much since it'd spoil the story too much for the anime how he change it. But yeah, this would lead to true end.

The confusion remained : Linne and RInne chicken and eggs paradox, who came 1st. and the more important question, who is Setsuna, remember, we only have Setsuna already come without memory from the start, so we don't know why the world is the way it is and when this whole thing start.

on the few things to add, Sara is a troll, basically everything she said and everything she do is based on her own assumptions, which i why a few pages before i said there are a lot of red herring in other route that fed false info. Karen story isn't that connected but only mean to connect to the history of the island.

The confusion stem from the nature of the story, Setsuna was given to us right at the middle of the loops, we never see the beginning of the loop and how it's create, only in true end we start to realize it's nature. We never have answer who is Setsuna and when did this whole thing start. As a matter of fact, it was implied that Setsuna abused the machine to the point where the memory wipe isn't complete on him, so we can infer that Setsuna went through the whole thing a lot more times before

[EroKing]

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[FlameSparkZ]

Originally Posted by dragon1412

on the few things to add, Sara is a troll, basically everything she said and everything she do is based on her own assumptions, which i why a few pages before i said there are a lot of red herring in other route that fed false info. Karen story isn't that connected but only mean to connect to the history of the island.

The confusion stem from the nature of the story, Setsuna was given to us right at the middle of the loops, we never see the beginning of the loop and how it's create, only in true end we start to realize it's nature. We never have answer who is Setsuna and when did this whole thing start. As a matter of fact, it was implied that Setsuna abused the machine to the point where the memory wipe isn't complete on him, so we can infer that Setsuna went through the whole thing a lot more times before

Then what about Setsuna remembering in episode 1 that he has to "kill Setsuna"? red herring? plot hole, or reference to a different loop only seen in the VN?

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

Then what about Setsuna remembering in episode 1 that he has to "kill Setsuna"? red herring? plot hole, or reference to a different loop only seen in the VN?

red herring, technically, everything relate to Setsuna himself is a massive plot hole. I have said before, but Setsuna we know is something from right in middle of the loop, we don't know who he is and how this whole thing start, which is why i said that the end leave people confuse. What we know is that the loop is already there long before the story start, evidently implied that Setsuna abused the cold sleep device many, many times before

[Cosmic Eagle]

Honest question....How many Winter Rinnes are there running around? Summer Setsuna came from the distant past with memories of the earlier Winter people. He freezes himself to enter the next Winter stage and meets Winter Rinne again.....so what happens to the Kuon (Winter Rinne) from the previous Summer? Goes into stasis to chase him? Lives a natural life?

If the former....well he never meets her no? since the Winter Rinne he meets is always a kid. And where do Kuon (Winter Rinne in Summer) memories come from anyway? It sounds like she remembers EVERY cycle of Winter -> Summer since the first one from legend



Anyway does the game ever explain why the world effectively clones itself as time passes? Or is that an act of plot "this is the way it is for plot sake" thing?

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

Then what about Setsuna remembering in episode 1 that he has to "kill Setsuna"? red herring? plot hole, or reference to a different loop only seen in the VN?

He did say later that it meant killing Daughter Rinne's attachment to him so she wouldn't end up drowning for his sake

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Honest question....How many Winter Rinnes are there running around? Summer Setsuna came from the distant past with memories of the earlier Winter people. He freezes himself to enter the next Winter stage and meets Winter Rinne again.....so what happens to the Kuon (Winter Rinne) from the previous Summer? Goes into stasis to chase him? Lives a natural life?

If the former....well he never meets her no? since the Winter Rinne he meets is always a kid. And where do Kuon (Winter Rinne in Summer) memories come from anyway? It sounds like she remembers EVERY cycle of Winter -> Summer since the first one from legend



Anyway does the game ever explain why the world effectively clones itself as time passes? Or is that an act of plot "this is the way it is for plot sake" thing?

For your 1st question. Probably only 1 at given timeline since the whole thing was depended on Setsuna. Don't forget. Setsuna memory was wiped pretty much every time he tried this cold sleep and it was implied that he remember because he abused it so much

Kuon( Linne) knew about the world structure. which was further mentioned in her ending but i don't really remember much about it. But i remember the her whole story is related to this

The game never explained about this looping nature of the world. As a matter of fact; there is another game set in the same universe called Himawari and have the same issues. It was never addressed really

[Cosmic Eagle]

Oh, so it's the same Winter Rinne he meets each Winter?

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Oh, so it's the same Winter Rinne he meets each Winter?

yeah that should be the case

[Cosmic Eagle]

How old is Winter Rinne exactly then....