2016-02-06, 20:38 | Link #5121 |
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what myopius said. If she can even hold onto the skill so that it doesn't just go elsewhere, she would be the subject of whatever compensated attack the Maoyuu system has. The cap wouldn't matter, if it was tied to the hero's power, the hero wouldn't need that compensation in the first place. It's the system lending power again.
Also, your misunderstanding the system and it's affects. It's not that the magic that makes up the system wouldn't affect her, its that any portion of it based on an individual's power would fall short of her own individual abilities. The system is using the power in the MA Area. She became a god by sucking up a portion of what was taken out of the MA Area. The store of energy in the MA Area would likely exceed her own.
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2016-02-06, 20:40 | Link #5122 | |
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And I'm sure they have more power than the totality of the system that she made. Remember that 70% was used just to attack kuro. But here's another question? Where would they get the authority to use that much power in the first place from the system? And there is also limit to how much power they can use before it kills them. And there is a set limit of power the system will not provide them.
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2016-02-06, 20:45 | Link #5123 |
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your assuming the power is going into the hero, rather than being used directly as an attack. I doubt that the old hero and maou absorbed the energy before shooting it out. That would be the same as attempting Shiro's method of apotheosis.
Also, remember that Shiro's total power is distinctly less then Kuro's still.
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2016-02-06, 20:55 | Link #5124 | |
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The "title" and "skills" that comes with being defeated by the hero mean nothing. The problem is the energy that is associated with the title and skills. The fundamental problem is that upon death of whoever got killed by the hero that energy was supposed to return to the system. Since she's not connected to the system, the energy that came along with the title was supposed to return to the system but didn't and was wasted into the atmosphere upon her clones death. And another misunderstanding you guys are having that title and skill do not exist to help the hero. They exist to help the Demon Lord or to be precise it helps develop another Demon Lord. All in all it wasn't anything more than a system bug or a glitch you might find in any game. Recap: 1.Absolutely nothing of a threat to her because it's just the "system" losing energy because it does not return back when her clone dies because she's outside the system. And also it's not an "attack" because it's just the granting of a "title". So unless he can out attack with..... 2:It doesn't help the hero because it actually helps create another Demon Lord. In short it's just a minor glitch caused by the hero attacking her clones. The glitch that would probably happen if he killed anything that's outside the system
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2016-02-06, 20:59 | Link #5125 | |
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2016-02-06, 21:44 | Link #5126 |
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I see where your confused. We aren't talking about that. We're talking about a different affect that was mentioned some time ago. One that lets the hero defeat the maou. Your thinking of something else that was only brought up recently.
also, you misunderstood about the glitch. The glitch was that it affected someone like Shiro, who is outside the system. On it's own, it's a feature. It loans energy (the title). If they die, the energy is recovered immediately. If they survive, it's an investment that they will build up before they die. again, though, let me be clear about this. we're talking about something else. A different affect that was hinted before that.
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2016-02-06, 21:54 | Link #5127 | ||
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In any case, it's not about titles or skills, it's about the way the system works relative to the hero and maou. Personal translation of what I quoted in the top post of this page (kari-no-sugata isn't quite there yet, still ~11 chapters ahead): Spoiler:
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2016-02-06, 21:59 | Link #5128 | ||
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I interpreted this a different way. As in that she was talking about it as a fact of probability, as in eventually a Hero would appear that's strong enough to defeat the Demon Lord. Although upon seeing it again I can see that the way you see it makes sense too. Now I'm not so sure... Quote:
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2016-02-06, 22:14 | Link #5129 | ||
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2016-02-06, 22:15 | Link #5130 | ||
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Anyway the bug should be fixed right after that chapter if Shiro isn't procrastinating that much. Quote:
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2016-02-06, 22:40 | Link #5131 |
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Ok, you're reading this wrong. What happened is she got the title [Defeated by the Hero] after her clone was killed and then immediately turned the resulting titles directly into energy for herself and she was lamenting that she accidentally took energy from the already deteriorating system. It was a one time thing only applicable to her because she was half in the system due to hacking it. She immediately began to fix as something of an afterthought (and going by the tone she used, fixed quite quickly)
The reason she wants to dismantle it is not because of this bug, but the very system by which Heroes and Demon Lords are chosen and given titles and skills holds a large percentage of the systems energy. (Or maybe it's the titles themselves that hold the energy but that's not important)
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2016-02-06, 22:52 | Link #5132 | |
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The only part I remember about being a hero/Maou (the real one) have large energy is from later chapter when they talk about killing the hero to regain 3% energy IIRC
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2016-02-06, 22:55 | Link #5133 | |
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Just those guys were saying that somehow this was an attack that could harm her
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2016-02-06, 23:09 | Link #5134 | |
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From Chapter 252 「システム崩壊に先立って、勇者システムの停止をする。勇者システムに掛かるエネルギーの回収で、おおよそ 3%の回復が見込める」 Here [勇者システムに掛かるエネルギー] she specifically refers to it as the [The energy wrapped up in the Hero System] Implying that it's not the hero himself with is but the Hero and Demon Lord System as a whole. Yeah you're right, sorry I read too deeply into it...
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2016-02-06, 23:20 | Link #5135 | |
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Speaking of that line though, if getting the hero killed is enough to suspend the system and with how Kuro doesn't want the hero to be killed, does that mean normally the hero won't ever be killed? Or does that only work if it's not Maou who kills the hero?
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2016-02-06, 23:34 | Link #5137 | |
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That means that the Demon Lord will always have a rival known as the hero coming after them. It does not mean that the hero will always defeat the Demon Lord and it does not say that anywhere. The normal Demon Lord will eventually die because a hero will always be coming (.unless he fends them all off and died from old age) There's nothing special about the hero outside of that and I don't gain any special powers or secret abilities. In the case of Ariel it's impossible for the hero to defeat her. They will not beat her no matter how many keep coming because she's already reached a level of "broken" for it to even matter how many keep coming anymore. And the only reason she never became demon lord before is because she doesn't want to be dragged into this troublesome endless game of cat and mouse with a never ending stream of idiots coming to die
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2016-02-06, 23:40 | Link #5138 | |
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Kuro probably doesn't want the Hero killed, because as Shiro said, he's too nice and doesn't like unnecessary violence and hence wouldn't approve of Shiro arbitrarily killing off humanities hope. Did that answer your question cuz I'm not quite sure what you're asking... This is what I assumed as well
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2016-02-06, 23:44 | Link #5140 | |
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