2008-05-20, 21:42 | Link #1221 |
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Lulu's personality (Atleast as a teenager as shown in the first few eps of R1) was a facade of sorts...Fake smiles, sometimes tolerating his friends more than loving being around them because deep-down was a maddening obsession to get revenge...His true colors came out in ep1 when he was confronted with possible death and wanted everyone in that Britannia squad to die...Now imagine Suzaku in the same scenario as Lulu in ep1, you gotta be a certain kinda mofo to accept geass and casually kill or torment people like Lulu does...Lulu still isn't very nice IMO, but he does have a deliciously amusing way of dealing with people...Don't get me wrong he still cares about his buds, but the feelings he shows is sometimes after the fact, after he geass'd them or hid something from them and he feels bad about it...
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2008-05-20, 21:47 | Link #1222 |
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That's being a bit harsh and doesn't really reflect what Taniguchi has said about the character. He did enjoy being around his friends and at his heart is a kind person. The first episode didn't reflect anything that wasn't already there. He dislikes Britannia and what it stands for, that's all.
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2008-05-20, 21:58 | Link #1223 |
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^Again I never said he doesn't care for his friends, but he seemed very aloof to me in many interactions with them in r1...ONLY NOW (as of ep R2-7) is he showing a deep caring for them that isn't some dark-fuel he uses to power Zero...I too think he's prolly more good-hearted than I'm giving him credit, but he has shown some moral indifference that doesn't support the claim of his kind-heartedness...I mean Light was somewhat kind too before he got the note...Lulu let his caring for his friends and sis manifest into a monster...Again, only now is he really showing non-impulsive reflections on what they mean to him...
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2008-05-20, 22:04 | Link #1224 |
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Well, for the record, Lelouch is nothing like Light in truth.
I'd agree that he is being a bit more honest about things like this now and isn't being so crazy anymore after the little stint in 7. Enough about Lelouch though, this is the Suzaku thread.
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2008-05-20, 22:17 | Link #1225 | |
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That depends on how you choose to attack that analysis, which I think I 'm pretty good at doing, but I will digress...I'm just saying power corrupts...Nice guys on the outside show their true colors when corrupted with power...I now suspect Suzaku will go down a darker path now to balance the scales a bit while Lulu moves back to the center from his last episode deep-end...
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2008-05-20, 22:55 | Link #1226 |
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Well, this season they plan on making Lelouch more likable and perhaps more of a hero than he seemed before. I don't know about Suzaku though. He could go either way depending on things. I haven't been getting any really hateful vibes off him, though that may sound strange.
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2008-05-20, 23:04 | Link #1227 |
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That's because there isn't. Suzaku is being very professional about the whole thing. The idea that he has uncontrolable hatred at Lelouch for killing Euphie and wouldn't be able to sit in the same room as him without trying to stab him although expected, didn't happen. Suzaku's yet to mention anger about Euphie at all this season. Same with Lelouch. He's not really as pissed about his capture as he could have been. (Possibly because he knows he hurt Suzaku much more than Suzaku hurt him)
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After all he just got the geass, it probably auto activated bring to life his thoughts at that time - after see the soldiers commit genicide at random & the situation he was in, he wishing they would shoot themselves isn't out of the ordinary. Although through out the 1st season, he might have taken the geass a little too lightly, as pointed out by C.C, hence him geassing people when he feels it's convenient. Quote:
But for the sake of his sister and to find the truth behind his mother assassination. He made the decision to become the devil himself, and to in his words "walk the road of destruction".
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2008-05-21, 17:21 | Link #1231 | |
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Clearly the staff felt like ep 7 was the perfect chance to take him out of the anti-villain mode and turn him into an anti-hero...I expect Suzaku to have a similiar effect just like Lulu, only it will be visa versa...
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2008-05-21, 21:29 | Link #1232 | |
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Anyways, when did Suzaku learn to command a ship/forces?
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2008-05-21, 21:37 | Link #1233 | |
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2008-05-21, 23:13 | Link #1234 |
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-After watching all the episodes currently available within the last 2 days (hoorah for lack of sleep) I got to say that I am not impressed with Suzaku at the moment. On the one hand he is certainly in love with an admirable idea but at the same time his methods are not at all compatible with that idea. He claimed recently that he wants to become a "Knight of 1" so that he can gain control of Area 11 and therefore, in his opinion, freedom for the Japanese. However there is a slight problem with that. No matter how high his rank as a soldier grows he will always be bound to Britania. Becoming Area 11's ruler will not change anything for the Japanese outside of receiving a new face for their government. At it's core Japan would still be under Britanian rule since their ruler is already a Britanian servant. And let's not rule out the possibility that if Britania decided to wage war on another country they can very easily demand that Suzaku send his people to fight someone else's battles (kind of like how several countries were pulled into WWI due to political/diplomatic reasons). In conclusion, Suzaku's goal is admirable albeit very long and strenuous and might be even doomed to failure considering the current emperor of Britania.
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2008-05-22, 00:56 | Link #1235 |
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The best stories with friends becoming enemies have the two friends being together for a long time with great camaraderie. Through these interactions, you can see a rivalry brewing and even jealousy spring up, where one overshadows the other or their relationship tips the other way and the other starts to hate that fact.
We know that Suzaku and Lelouch were friends a long time ago, but you don't really see much of that time. Right from the get go in the earliest episodes, you know that the two will be opposing each other from the start. Lelouch was already becoming Zero from the first episode, and Suzaku was already piloting the Lancelot. It would have been really nice if the story had the two together from the beginning, and show the cracks starting to form within their friendship, and then finally splinter. |
2008-05-22, 01:48 | Link #1236 |
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...uh, but there weren't any cracks within their friendship. Lelouch and Suzaku started out hating each other, so the only way to go was up. The only got one summer together anyway.
Besides, there's isn't really a basis for jealousy or 'overshadowing' between them anyway. To compare Lelouch and Suzaku in tactical ability, or Suzaku and Lelouch in physical ability, would be ridiculous, and they both knew this from the start. There's friendly teasing on that basis from both fronts, but in fact the extreme seperation in their abilities actually enhances their bond, to the point where they both believe "We can achieve anything together". Add that to the fact that Lelouch and Suzaku have the same goals (happiness, a kind world), and you end up with what should have been an unbreakable bond. |
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2008-05-22, 02:08 | Link #1238 |
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And it's not like it's certain the Emperor is a bad guy anyways. Everything he's done has been to 'destroy the gods', he's been pretty reasonable (if not kind) otherwise, and until we find out what that means him being a hero is still just as likely as him being a villain.
Fukitsu Naruto, you mentioned in the other thread that Lelouch knows what kind of man he's dealing with, knows what kind of man is ruling Britannia but as far as I'm concerned Suzaku might actually have seen the bigger picture. Lelouch is obviously biased against his father for not caring about his perfect, innocent mother and still believes the Emperor is motivated purely by the Darwinist views he's espoused. Suzaku, on the other hand, knows the world isn't a happy place and has been shown the Emperor's true plans. The Emperor might not be a bad guy, and Suzaku knows that better than Lelouch. |
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