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Originally Posted by AdmirerofSatenRuiko
@Ilidsor
I read your post about Accelarator, it was interesting and indeed proved the complexity of the issue. Still, it doesn't change how I view him too much, especially after what I saw in the first half of the arc, that was too much for me. Suppose the Sisters were really just lifeless dolls, human-like robots or anything similar. I would still find him creepy. And I just can't understand why he's so popular.
@Chaos2Frozen
I only meant that for me the Sisters Arc feels alien in the Railgun anime. I may have used wrong words. What you started has nothing to do with my thoughts, I would never want such extreme character separation. I only want the Railgun anime to be similar to what they built up in Season 1, not similar to Index.
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I'll argue that Railgun, especially in this arc, tries to be a mellower version of Index, which I am fine with. (even the sisters arc...)
And yes, when I watched episode 23 for the first time in english and then watched episode 24 right after that, the build-up was excellent.
In the end, the Sisters arc build-up was pretty slow as well. In fact, since it was longer the build-up was much longer than this arc's build-up. A lot of the people who were seeing that arc though knew what was coming and what foreshadowing was happening, so the build-up seemed much faster... (just pointing that out...)
I wouldn't call this arc the pinnacle of railgun. I'd call it the pinnacle of anime-original railgun though--that fits the vibe anime original parts of the first season did which the LN people tend on the most part to consider non-canon.
I thought the Sisters arc was the pinnacle of non-original railgun though.
I was expecting two very different things in each arc and kind of like Chaos2Frozen said I got it, but I wasn't being as sarcastic I think when I'm saying it
And to the jokes about characters... wow I think we get the point... you don't have to go that far. I think the point being made was pretty clear in my eyes. (just because I overreact unnecessarily and regret it later doesn't mean you all have to do it too :__:
This episode was very controversial. The first time I saw this episode I had just ignored all of the criticisms in previous episode discussion threads and had just not watched the episodes with sub-titles because I had heard how absolutely bad the arc was. So I didn't know why, I had just heard it was bad.
Then I watched it and found it very enjoyable, but contradictory to the canon.
Since when I watch filler it doesn't really need to be true to the canon because in the end, it is just filler... and doesn't really matter that much... I thought it was pretty amazing to watch.
I also thought it was somewhat obvious Mikoto was talking about herself as the idiot, not Accelerator. She was the idiot willing to die. The first time she said it I thought she was talking about Accelerator, but no... Though, she pointed out something interesting there... about him... that surprised me... She didn't blame him as much as the researchers... THAT surprised me...
(How mature).
Anyway, @AdmirerOfSatenRuiko As to why Accelerator could be a protagonist? Because of personal reality. Here, we saw everything from mainly Mikoto's viewpoint. Also, we saw things from Accelerator's opinion, but we didn't actually get the whole big picture. Since this arc was a second season... and we already knew the railgun characters very well... the tendency would be to consider them as main protagonists first and Accelerator as a foreign entity.
I argue Accelerator is as much of a Railgun character as he is an Index character. He just has different roles in each one. Here, he was supposed to look like a villain... I mean, he was an interesting villain because he had different motivations, but this arc didn't give enough to the viewers to make you like him, because this is Railgun, not Index and therefore doesn't need (at least not yet in the anime) Accelerator as a full-time main character that all viewers like as a protagonist, to be a protagonist in the series. This is why his full motivations weren't given to you.
A lot of people including me who like his character like it because of the complexity. It's why I like Mikoto similarly... Before you get angry or go WTH did I say there, let me explain. Mikoto's personality varies a lot so she seems very realistically done. She is Tsun a lot so obviously her personality changes plenty of the time, but she also has a lot of different sides to her and is a very interesting character. Accelerator, at first, or later depending on who you are, is an interesting character because you get to see the motivations of someone who isn't good. It isn't a question of whether the guy is good or not. It's a question of why he does the things he does. And it's interesting to see the evolution of his character. We saw it here. He changed from wanting to become strong to realizing he was hurting innocent people.
In my opinion, J.C. staff messed up big time because they overdid your first impression of how evil Accelerator looks to the viewer. That first impression skews all of your feelings about him later. I argue that was a pretty large mistake :__: and one of the things I didn't like about the adapted Sisters arc... (episode 16 explained his motivations, but I think that explanation perhaps could have also been executed better... but I digress)
Anyway, I think the animated Sisters Arc had some problems, and these problems are why you don't feel Accelerator fits in with railgun.
I'll admit. I first started liking railgun because since railgun is more mellow I get to see Index characters + railgun characters doing crazy stuff they wouldn't do normally when I watch it. That was nice. But railgun has other parts that other people would also enjoy about it.
It's a good show. I'm just sure that it definitely doesn't satisfy what everyone is looking for and after thinking about it, I completely understand once it was made clear to me why people would hate this arc so much after seeing the Sisters Arc. I felt the same way originally. That arc was like what railgun was originally supposed to be like in terms of what readers were expecting. But the second arc was similar to the "old" railgun. So of course people who liked the first part are super disappointed about the second part. But... I think saying only one part of railgun should exist is a little much... considering that in the end Kamachi is the writer of the series and the development of railgun characters you have seen relies on the ideas he comes up with which J.C. staff only implements (not creates from scratch)
But of course, you're entitled to your own opinion... *sigh*
Why couldn't people just agree to disagree? I guess though that this would just destroy the purpose of having a forum in the first place
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