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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 133 | 39.82% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 81 | 24.25% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 32 | 9.58% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 27 | 8.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 11 | 3.29% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 10 | 2.99% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 1.20% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 3 | 0.90% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.30% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 32 | 9.58% | |
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2008-09-29, 15:25 | Link #981 | |
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Sheryl is Minmay from DYRL, a popstar with fame who fall in love with a pilot. |
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2008-09-29, 15:58 | Link #982 | ||
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2008-09-29, 16:31 | Link #983 | |
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Now please read Danish's excellent post on the matter. Spoiler for for space:
--- Now to get back on topic. Between the two versions of Minmei, who did you like better?
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2008-09-29, 16:43 | Link #984 |
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I, for one, didn't think the Minmei from the TV series was all that despicable. I mean, sure she fell for Kaifun's little wiles, but... Honestly, she's just kind of a bratty kid in both versions. Whilst it may be cute in small doses, I guess too much is too much, eh?
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2008-09-29, 17:14 | Link #985 |
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Macross Macross.. Hmm...
Well I watched the episode this morning and now have a chance to give my take. I'll start with the bad. I gave this episode a 7/10. A large part of that was because of the immense ignorance that seems to occur in the story with the now re-formed love triangle of Alto, Sheryl, and Ranka. I was amazed that Ranka was still going after Alto after apparently, "maturing," to the point where she was over her childish crush on him. Just as well, I'm amazed that Sheryl would allow such a thing at all, considering Sheryl and Alto have been a thousand times better together than Ranka and him could ever be. Ranka herself admits some of the completion that Sheryl brings Alto. A bit of this episode also felt like tacked-on cheapness, Gundam Seed style. Alto, Ranka, and Sheryl seem to be able to talk to eachother through the sheer will of Ranka and her fold wave magic. Though that might be possible... That's still stupid. The whole thing with Sheryl being saved wasn't as much of an issue... But they really made her illness seem to be like a bunch of nothingness. It's more like, "oh you're dying... THERE, all better." It's like having Cancer and then getting a shot and it going away two minutes later. That's it? . . . (Not like that would be BAD... But the point is, incurable disease gone in minutes?) The good was pretty much the rest of the episode, the best being somewhere around the combination of songs sung in the later half whilst Macross Quarter and Battle Frontier duke it out with Battle Galaxy, and Macross Quarter rips Battle Galaxy several thousand new ones. That scene was fantastic. I loved it, and I'd watch it again. All in all, I thought the ending was pretty average. I tend to rate the LAST EPISODE of something based on the quality of its ending. How it wraps things up. The attention to details in the show. The extent of closure. Macross Frontier was your average, "everything goes! No holding back! They live on, you don't hear from them again," ending. I liked it. They did things well. But it's no Code Geass. It doesn't get a ten from me in a million years. Sheryl and Alto could do the deed and have children... I'd probably still rate it a nine. The ending and how things worked out were just too strange. But then I suppose this post is flameworthy. I am talking about Macross after all. I respect the show, and I like the show... But Macross solves everything with singing and although I love singing I find that having the only thing singing can't do is destroy planets (please tell me singing has NEVER blown up a planet in Macross. Just... Please tell it hasn't) is a bit farfetched. With that having been said though... The quality of the scores and the variety of songs makes up for the fact that singing does everything short of blow up a planet (or at least... To my knowledge).
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2008-09-29, 17:20 | Link #986 |
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I was hoping Quarter would get blown away at some point. Captial ship deaths can be more awe-inspiring and tragic than a million snipers. Didn't even necessarily need to kill off any characters in the process. Just watch it slowly get torn to pieces, until finally KA-BOOM! And then the postmortem wreckage followed by cremation in atmosphere.
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Like I said it earlier, I thought the love triangle was UNRESOLVED but some people think Sheryl won and the final episode payed tribute to Misa and Hikaru throught Alto and Sheryl, so it's a sign that Sheryl won ....
The salute, the earring, Ranka's " I will not lose to you nor in love or songs" are a hint for you ?! OK.... Just before exposing some arguments, I know people will say this should go to the romance thread but I am responding to some post in this thread which since the 25 ended, claim that the LT is(for some tacitly)resolved and the movie will proove it .. I will not just talk about romance... actually, some points aren't really focused on the romance plot .. The earring Quote:
You surely talked about this picture : the earring sparkles... Spoiler for the earring:
You're not the only one who say it, that, it's a symbol of their love ( Alto and Sheryl). This is certainly not the case.... Because the camera focused on Alto's earring, right, but meanwhile Alto said " Sheryl, Ranka, you opened the sky..." I don't know what is that exceptionnal about that earring, except that Sheryl already wore it ... So, because the camera focused on Alto's earring, that's it!, Sheryl means more to Alto ?! ... They focused on it too in the 7 and Alto heard Sheryl AND Ranka both singing, in this episode, he was able to see Ranka because of that earring, he even asked Sheryl to sing for Ranka... Spoiler for It sparkles!!!:
My,,, All Sheryl's fan who grasp their hopes in that earring, look at the picture How they focused on the earring, how much it sparkles, Alto must really be in love with Sheryl, since it sparkled countless times in this episode... Spoiler for So Alto is crazy in love ...:
My bad, it was because of the vajra..... Quote:
....... Klan treasures now Michel's belongings so much that you can call it an ornament, like with his glasses, by example. But she did something unbelievable in this final episode, what ? : Spoiler for Giving such a precious thing ...:
It's official now, Klan and Alto will be in front of the priest soon. Quote:
Ranka's line " I will not lose to you, nor in songs or love" which, here, is a sign of Ranka who becomes the outsider next to sheryl. Before, here : Spoiler for One:
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The link ? You are right in saying how Sheryl and alto got to share a lot of time together. The poor Ranka just could kiss him one time and the only opportunity was in acting in a movie.. But Sheryl as self confident as always took the initiave, too bad, when you rewatch the picture you see she was always the one who did it until the end... Conclusion of the LT : We were all being tricked.... Ranka at the end of the final said " I will not lose to you, nor in songs or love" which is a sign of Ranka who becomes the outsider next to sheryl".. So because Ranka said this, she is the loser?! Quote:
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Huh, OK so what is that ? : Spoiler for ...:
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You will tell me it was 10 episode ago, I will respond you nothing changed until Ranka's departure. Even with a missing Ranka we got to see that : Spoiler for Sheryl:
Sheryl crying and saying " I knew it, but for a liitle longer I wanted to ..." I will not talk again about the emotionless kiss scene in the 24 but in the end, even when Ranka was at the other side of the Galaxy, Sheryl still couldn't make Alto choose her ?! ... The famous SALUTE that you all saw but missed at the same time ..... Quote:
Yes, hints ... People talk about a homage from SDF Macross, I talk about an EPIC HOMAGE FROM MACROSS FRONTIER... Quote:
OK, for Ranka too then... Quote:
Console ourselves ?! Why ?... Alto saluted both of them.. Quote:
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I agree with you here : " why the little details " ? Quote:
Alto is not on the other side so your reasoning which says the salute was for Sheryl is not plausible, WHY ? : Spoiler for Battle Frontier:
As you can see, he is by far larger than Macross Quarter. Now let's look that picture : Spoiler for Battle Frontier and Macross Quarter:
This is just before Alto showed up... Here : Spoiler for throught the screen:
Ranka sings her duet with Sheryl through the TV Spoiler for Alto's VF:
And here is what you said first : "The two ships are side by side". Now let's look again at this picture: Spoiler for ..:
Now look at this picture : Spoiler for Where is she looking ?:
I, when I watched it in live was surprised to see Sheryl saying Alto and turn her head in a direction where Alto is not... She just said alto, but right after saying that, she turns her head, looking ahead like the ships direction , the north... But how come she doesn't look in front of her since we too can see Alto's VF transformation here ?! ... I'm not expert in animation but it looks obvious that they couldn't put SMS Q , Battle Frontier and Alto's VF in a same background from Sheryl's close perspective. So to show Alto was between the ships they did made it look like he was close to Battle Frontier instead of SMS Q and right after made Sheryl turn her head in the real direction where Alto is. Spoiler for ..:
She clearly looks for Alto's VF since they just showed us she saw him(when it looks like the ships were close)... You don't believe me ? In fact , Alto is here : Spoiler for between the two ships:
Why?! Because they showed us again the position of the two ships right after Alto's departure . The ships aren't side by side : Spoiler for Macross Quarter / B Frontier position:
Macross Quarter is on Battle Frontier, so lightly ahead, Alto must be ahead too , for Ranka and Sheryl can see him. People still don't believe ?! OK let me show you THE proof... The salute... Spoiler for Homage ?:
People are so glad , WOW, he saluted Sheryl !!! A pure homage to SDF Macross with Hikaru who saluted Misa in the same way!!! This is such a beautiful homage since Hikaru confessed to Misa after that and we all know that they ended up together... So the major part of people, mostly Sheryl 's fan jumped at the conclusion that this was the final homage to the original Macross so it's a strong message here = Sheryl is the one who Alto loves... You will agree with me that Kawamori payed attention to do parallels with Misa, Hikaru and Minmei but ,WHAT !?! Alto didn't choose Sheryl at the end, nor Ranka, so the homage stops here and the symbolism falls but would have had a meaning if Alto did chose Sheryl which didn't happen.. And yes, there is a movie but I will let you speculate about the continuation of Alto and Sheryl/Hikaru, Misa's love story... So an homage from the old Macross serie can, of course be intrerpreted as a parallel for the characters, but AN HOMAGE FROM MACROSS FRONTIER is indeed THE symbol here since, I will show it, this is based on Alto and Ranka ONLY not about Misa/Sheryl and Hikaru/Alto ... Here, the answers : Spoiler for Sheryl AND Ranka:
Sheryl is responding but Ranka too... So Ranka obviously has seen Alto's movement. You said that: " Sheryl's response. Note, Ranka's facing the wrong way, Alto is on the other side" It's not because Sheryl is facing her screen and because Ranka has her back to the screen that she can't see the salute, ... Spoiler for ..:
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Sheryl's stage without the main screen : Spoiler for She is ahead and in center of the stage:
Here is the same stage with the main screen : Spoiler for She stayed at her place, in front of the stage..:
Sheryl's screen is not on the side like in the scene where she singed with Ranka here : Spoiler for The screen is on the side here ...:
But her screen is ahead. So in this scene : Spoiler for Ranka and Sheryl's duet through the screen:
Sheryl was looking at the biggest screen not the one on the side. You can see Ranka is looking in front of her too, not the screen on the side.... So the reasoning which says "Ranka's facing the wrong way, Alto is on the other side" is wrong here. They're both facing the main screen, in front of the stage, not the small one on the side. This is why we saw this: Spoiler for Their answers:
Sheryl is responding, but Ranka too. Look at her sign with the three fingers, she is responding to Alto here ... People still don't believe me, am I talking nonsense ?! OK... Here is the final PROOF : Spoiler for Homage ?....:
Alto is saluting Ranka and says " yo". They shared their first and last kiss in this episode and Alto was consenting unlike when Sheryl kissed him in the 10 and 24.. (yes, shared, and people don't even try to say it wasn't shared since I can show you his expression in episode 24 when Sheryl kissed him ...) This is the first and last time, in the serie that we saw Alto blushing like that knowing he will kiss Ranka : Spoiler for It's time to venting here...:
People talked about a beautiful homage for Alto/Hikaru and Sheryl/Misa ? This : Spoiler for Yes, again...:
Hum what is the link ?! No, I am not saying nonsense, this is actually pretty logic... Here is the link : Spoiler for EPICCC HoMaGe....:
Kawamori is indeed a GENIUS I don't really know if the movie can still focus on Alto, Ranka and Sheryl, since a lot of questions are still unresolved at the end of the serie with Bilrer, Sheryl's parents, Galaxy.. But I hope the movie is a continuation of the final episode, and that Alto cling on his sky but with Ai kun and Ranka OD, ani_d ,let's root for Sheryl x Brera now |
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2008-09-29, 17:48 | Link #990 |
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Good Lord, Seifall, such a long post with so many pictures and you still don't understand basic perspective? It boggles the mind, it really does.
Ranka did not respond to Alto's salute. She didn't see it. Your pretty collection of pictures is so much the definition of Epic Fail that's not even funny. What you fail at is providing a resounding argument as to how Alto could be saluting both girls. His VF didn't turn to acknowledge both. Thus, it's understandable he only saluted ONE of them. The VF is shown facing Sheryl. Sheryl responds to the salute. Ranka did not respond to it, she was just singing and dancing by herself - she did not even SEE him, then. Hence, the salute was for Sheryl alone. Subtle, yes. But not something you can actually disprove, sorry.
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2008-09-29, 17:56 | Link #995 |
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That was because you HAD nothing. You failed at providing some argument, thus... nothing.
Of course they can. The difference in scale from the measly VF to Macross Quarter is way more than enough for them to share the same background, sorry.
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