[Manga] Chapter 364 Discussion

[Sinaura]

Hopefully Pein's eyes are some unique bloodline that evolved parallel to the Sharingan and is immune to the sharingan's powers.

[Sarugaki]

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

Watch it kick sharingan's ass.

Originally Posted by Sinaura

Hopefully Pein's eyes are some unique bloodline that evolved parallel to the Sharingan and is immune to the sharingan's powers.

Amen to that.
It would explain why Itachi isn't the AL.
Maybe Hinata will be a better match-up, who knows, sometimes after being disapointing several times in a row, Kishimoto comes up with something brilliant.

[ILikeSquiReLz]

Originally Posted by sharingard

Maybe Hinata will be a better match-up, who knows, sometimes after being disapointing several times in a row, Kishimoto comes up with something brilliant.

LOL, this is so true time and time again.

[Icer]

Those Pain pics look fake. They look like a photoshopped Naruto made to look like him.

The first one is fake to as the Naruto image is just a slightly edited one of a panel that appeared with his going Kyuubi.

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Icer

Those Pain pics look fake. They look like a photoshopped Naruto made to look like him.

The first one is fake to as the Naruto image is just a slightly edited one of a panel that appeared with his going Kyuubi.

Yeah they both look fake. But I still think Tobi is alive.

[Ero-Senn1n]

If Pein is stronger than Itachi it would be cool if his eyes had the ability to mirror back an eye attack, so that when Itachi tries to tsukiyomi Pein the attack lands back
However i think Kishimoto always meant for the sharingan, and especially the MS to be the ultimate eye power. So maybe Pein's eye ability is just lower in power level than the sharingan so that Naruto has the chance to learn how to fight the sharingan based on his encounter with Pein. More probably Pein's speciality are super-powerful seals and ninjutsu.

[shaselai]

so if Pein's ability is the eye... is zetsu's or maybe the female's ability for duplicates like those Gai and kakashi team fought before?

[Medalist]

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

If Pein is stronger than Itachi it would be cool if his eyes had the ability to mirror back an eye attack, so that when Itachi tries to tsukiyomi Pein the attack lands back
However i think Kishimoto always meant for the sharingan, and especially the MS to be the ultimate eye power. So maybe Pein's eye ability is just lower in power level than the sharingan so that Naruto has the chance to learn how to fight the sharingan based on his encounter with Pein. More probably Pein's speciality are super-powerful seals and ninjutsu.

What point would it be if the person picked to run Akatsuki (on a technical basis) not be stronger than its members? Pein is strongest in the group apparently or he would've never been picked to do the job of leading by whoever is pulling the strings.

Originally Posted by shaselai

so if Pein's ability is the eye... is zetsu's or maybe the female's ability for duplicates like those Gai and kakashi team fought before?

Most likely the females ability. Zetsu is good with "hearing" or detecting stuff far away, and he eats the bodies so there's nothing left of them. Thus he was picked to guard or stay on watch when they were doing Sealing Stuff. And also to get rid of the bodies after they had been beaten.

[Kowai]

Originally Posted by shaselai

so if Pein's ability is the eye... is zetsu's or maybe the female's ability for duplicates like those Gai and kakashi team fought before?

zetsu is liek the hunter nin of their mini village, as well as a spy.
it appears akatsuki has specialists so maybe the female is a medical ninja? or was taht kakuzu's job to stitch everyoen back up?

Originally Posted by Uchikatsu

What point would it be if the person picked to run Akatsuki (on a technical basis) not be stronger than its members? Pein is strongest in the group apparently or he would've never been picked to do the job of leading by whoever is pulling the strings.

it appears he is strong since the guy giving him orders said
"since your the leader failure is not an option"
assuming that means he is stronger than everyone else. or he has to prove his strength maybe?

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by Uchikatsu

What point would it be if the person picked to run Akatsuki (on a technical basis) not be stronger than its members? Pein is strongest in the group apparently or he would've never been picked to do the job of leading by whoever is pulling the strings.

We don't know yet if Pein is meant to be stronger than Itachi. As for the others, he is most likely stronger than all others, and we can say that because most of them are already dead

His eyes are so unnatural, in the anime the circles have different colors too. I'm thinking maybe he modified his eyes also, just like his body seems to be full of piercing-like stuff, we could see part of his arm having those dots too. My tip is that he is a seal specialist, and just as most of the akatsukians he modified his body with his super-seals. Maybe he applied a seal to his eyes, which makes him immune to eye jutsu, including the sharingan.

[Ryuujin]

I still think the shadowy figure is someone who hired Akatsuki (think Aoshi and the Oniwaban Group in one of the early arcs of Rurouni Kenshin)...

Originally Posted by ChojinLocke

And let's not forget that with Naruto the seemingly impossible becomes possible sometimes.

So... Naruto isn't a fortress?

[Medalist]

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

We don't know yet if Pein is meant to be stronger than Itachi. As for the others, he is most likely stronger than all others, and we can say that because most of them are already dead

His eyes are so unnatural, in the anime the circles have different colors too. I'm thinking maybe he modified his eyes also, just like his body seems to be full of piercing-like stuff, we could see part of his arm having those dots too. My tip is that he is a seal specialist, and just as most of the akatsukians he modified his body with his super-seals. Maybe he applied a seal to his eyes, which makes him immune to eye jutsu, including the sharingan.

Itachi wouldn't obey Pein if he waasn't stronger. His eyes aren't unnatural...it's a TV series, use your imagination, you can make up anything you want to, change anything you want to, and no matter how stupid it is, it can still be true, since it's all fiction all the same.

[0TaKu0]

While I understand the obedience from Itachi toward AL (It is most likely probable that AL is stronger then Itachi).

The Shadowy Figure is definitely not Ordering the AL around, to be honest that guy obviously doesn’t seem to be a part of Akatsuki, and the relationship seems to be more of a business relationship more then anything. Yea while it may seem as if this guy is ordering AL around, you don’t necessarily have to be stronger to be able to give order's, you just have to have the correct incentive, because every man has his "price".

I believe that AL and the Shadowy Figure has the same relationship or similar relationship as Zabuza and Gato (and Gato wasn’t even a shinobi).

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by Uchikatsu

Itachi wouldn't obey Pein if he waasn't stronger. His eyes aren't unnatural...it's a TV series, use your imagination, you can make up anything you want to, change anything you want to, and no matter how stupid it is, it can still be true, since it's all fiction all the same.

Why is natural born ability more imaginative than artifical? I think artifical is more interesting because it often has an explanation of how it was done, also there is more backstory of that character about making it. For example Sasori, Orochimaru, Hidan, Kakuzu, all had their bodies modified, and the modification had a story of the one's life behind it (young Oro talking with 3rd hokage about the snake, Sasori losing parents and talking about eternal beauty being the true art). While on the other side there's no special story about byakugan or sharingan or the other bloodline, they just exist, and their owners are simply lucky to be born with that ability (Neji, Sasuke, Itachi). For me it's more interesting to see that someone with no super-bloodline, with an average body, has achieved a power that is equal or even stronger than the ones born with such bloodline. And the story is most likely focused on that too. I'm sure we will see how Naruto becomes stronger and stronger, and in the end surpasses many bloodlines-boosted guys.

An example of such a struggle is Sasuke, from the very beginning he had to train hard to be only bit more close to Itachi's strength, while Itachi got his sharingan eye and everything before Sasuke. All that Sasuke is now is his struggle to become as strong as Itachi, for example his cursed seal is part of it.

[Nintendo]

think people went crazy with editing pictures.

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

Watch it kick sharingan's ass.

-One can only hope. The Sharingan has yet to have a "Natural predator/enemy" against which it cannot win very easily.

Originally Posted by Icer

Those Pain pics look fake. They look like a photoshopped Naruto made to look like him.

The first one is fake to as the Naruto image is just a slightly edited one of a panel that appeared with his going Kyuubi.

-The first one of Pein looks like a photoshopped Kisanme due to the build of the character's body. The 2nd one sems real enough (of course that one could be fake as well). And the last one, though it pains me to say, is just Naruto when he entered the 3-tailed state against Orochimaru, right before the 4th tail sprouted...

[iBeast]

The wait is unberable

[ZGoten]

An interesting point is, that the shadowy figure says: ´We won´t allow failure from the leader. So he is either a secret member of Akatsuki, or a part of another organization.
I am really getting exciting about that.

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by ZGoten

An interesting point is, that the shadowy figure says: ´We won´t allow failure from the leader. So he is either a secret member of Akatsuki, or a part of another organization.
I am really getting exciting about that.

What translation are you reading? I don't recall seeing "we".

[ZGoten]

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

What translation are you reading? I don't recall seeing "we".

Translation from Itsumobasho, page 17, last pic.

There, the shadowy guy sais: "You will retrieve him, we won´t allow failure from the leader."