Code Geass Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[Deathwing]

well the theory that suzaku will join zero at any point is blown out of the water
we can assume that because he is a heartless bastard now that zero is probably gonna die at the end of the series

[seraphon]

Originally Posted by Malintex_Terek

Continuity disjunctions. Lelouch escaping from the hotel-jacking incident, how quickly he got to Clovis while geassing everyone without Clovis screaming in terror on television, Kallen & Ougi alone repairing Clovis' vehicle to look so professional, Lelouch's Knightmare getting constantly rebuilt, the mechanism in Lelouch's helmet, Mao's aquisition of a bomb, Mao surviving getting shot but Nunally, Clovis, and Euphemia suffering from less...stuff that can only be explained by "shounen magic".

I think you are exagerating a little on some of the example said above.
Clovis was thinking alone in a command room guarded by lots of guard geassed afterwards by lelouch and was surprised to see an armed soldier like that (screaming in this situation isnt the best option and of course the security was "ligth" because there should have been no major threat). I see no problem in that. And you know I agree that its weird euphie died so easely compared to mao, but heck clovis got shot in the head.... I m pretty sure thats mortal for anyone except C.C, and as for nunnaly she was a small kid shot by assault weapons(the cops shooting at mao must have had small caliber gun).
Mao aquired a bomb by blackmailing a weapon seller (thats how he got his chainsaw). And you dont think mecha weird technologically speaking , but you have problem with a helmet?

Just wanted to point out that you shouldnt exagerate with your arguments. It tends to lessen their credibility.

[Jazzrat]

Originally Posted by aohige

Another 50 episode?

I think you meant, another 25 (or 26) episodes.
The length of the 2nd series is undetermined yet, btw.

Nah, was refering to this statement

What this essentially means is that right now we are wrapping up season 2, and fall & winter 2007/8 will be season 3 & 4. That's how I understood it at least. Though with the current popularity, they might well go for another 50 eps afterwards.

Don't really see it coming unless they decide to animate the other 2 spinoff for Suzaku and Nanaly (for the 3rd and 4th season).

[dxanato]

When I first start to watch the series I was so sure that Euphie, Cornelia and Suzaku would join Zero in some shape or form. In the last few episode this initial theory has be blown and shot dead. This episode was great in some many way. The next few month are going to be pain waiting to see how 24 and 25 out come will be.

[zalem]

Originally Posted by Jazzrat

Is there actually enough material to go for another 50 episode?

it really sucks that the last 2 episode is aired so much later. So many cliffhangers in this episode as well.

Spoiler:

I really wanted to know what happen to fanservice girl Villetta after that scene in this episode... i would be rather sad if bad things happens to her.

What's V.V role in all this? Now that we know C.C was actually talking to Marianne instead of him.. and V.V is on Avalon and probably revealed what Zero did to Euphie to Suzaku... is he a fren? or a foe? or another manipulator?

...

It's rather worrying to hear Lelouch maniac laughter again, i hope he doesnt descend into the conscience-less villain of typical anime. For me, it's his constant battle with his inner conscience over his actions that made him such a fascinating character.

Spoiler:

Actually, C.C. talked to both V.V. and Marianne. At least FO confirmed this. Well he didn't tell us about Marianne. He did say that the person that C.C. was talking to on the submarine in episode 19 was V.V., but that the previous person she was talking to was not V.V. but someone whose name we would be familiar with. Now it's been revealed that it's Marianne. O___O Craziness...

As for Lelouch.....he's definitely going down a dark path, but I don't think he'll ever be a complete villain like Yagami Light. Well, as long as Nunnally exists that is...she's the one thing grounding him.

[aohige]

Originally Posted by Jazzrat

Nah, was refering to this statement

Gotcha. I don't see it happening either.

Originally Posted by zalem

Spoiler:

As for Lelouch.....he's definitely going down a dark path, but I don't think he'll ever be a complete villain like Yagami Light. Well, as long as Nunnally exists that is...she's the one thing grounding him.

I think C.C. deserves to be mentioned too.
Light would never, ever, cry in the arms of a woman because he killed someone precious to him.

[crystar]

Originally Posted by Jazzrat

Now that his Geass can no longer be turned off, it further isolate him from everyone he knows(as forewarned in the first episode when the contract was made). It made this episode extra touching when C.C comfort him telling him that she'll always be by his side.[/spoiler]

The first thing that came to my mind when I read that was that she also said the same thing to Mao, right? And goodness we know what the end result of that was.

[zalem]

Heh...Light doesn't have anyone precious to him. Only himself. Not that I don't love that crazy god-complex boy, but I don't want Lelouch to turn out like him. I love Lelouch the way he is.

Yeah, C.C. is definitely getting closer to him. But I question what SHE feels. Is she feeling any attachment. It's hard to tell with her....afterall, she treated Mao like crap. She might be comforting Lulu only to throw him away in the end...

[mangatron]

Originally Posted by crystar

The first thing that came to my mind when I read that was that she also said the same thing to Mao, right? And goodness we know what the end result of that was.

Yeah, except she said that after Mao failed his part, right? Surely C.C. has feelings for Lu2 er I mean Pizza Hut

[Jazzrat]

Originally Posted by aohige

Gotcha. I don't see it happening either.



I think C.C. deserves to be mentioned too.
Light would never, ever, cry in the arms of a woman because he killed someone precious to him.

Light would cry.... but none of those tears would be real
Maybe that's why i lost interest in that series. Light is just too inhuman.

I really love how both C.C and Lelouch tries to discard their human emotions for their goal but could never let it go. Both isolated from the world due to their power (C.C for her immortality and Lelouch for his Geass) and they are each other's only comfort.

[aohige]

Originally Posted by philip72

Re: Marianne talking to C.C.

Marianne may not be dead as many of us assume.
If she can communicate with C.C., she may be of the same type as C.C. and V.V.
The Emperor's alien or what have you wife, so to speak.

Do you remember how, when C.C. gave Lulu the geass she was killed but then showed up again, perfectly healthy.

Do you remember how the Emperor said he's "talking to Clovis" in the mysterious room, long after Clovis' death?
From that, we can assume, that these telepaths talking to someone doesn't necessary have to be alive.

[Shinndou]

Highly speculative indeed, philip, but there might be a hint of truth in your speculation, atleast about the potential fact that the Emperor could be the "Master of Puppets" of this whole situation and escalation of events.

[lightbringer]

Originally Posted by philip72

Re: Marianne talking to C.C.

Marianne may not be dead as many of us assume.
If she can communicate with C.C., she may be of the same type as C.C. and V.V.
The Emperor's alien or what have you wife, so to speak.

Lol. Okay, sorry, I don't think there's any evidence to back this up. Unless Clovis is about to rise from his casket as a vampire There is definitely more going on here than we are informed about, but I think this isn't it.

[Jazzrat]

Originally Posted by zalem

Yeah, C.C. is definitely getting closer to him. But I question what SHE feels. Is she feeling any attachment. It's hard to tell with her....afterall, she treated Mao like crap. She might be comforting Lulu only to throw him away in the end...

Personally, i think she's definitely attached to Lelouch more than she's willing to admit. Even when she said she was happy for how Lelouch is turning out to Marianne, her face definitely says otherwise.

As for Mao, she does love him but well.... Mao isn't exactly very sane at that time. She probably killed him out of love, leaving him alive like that would just be cruel.

[bkg9990]

boy, would I kill to see episode 24&25 right now xD...

btw, isn't it obvious enough for Suzaku to recognize that Lulu=Zero? that Euphie has a number of Lulu, and the possibility that Lulu called Euphie "Euphie"? :O

[mangatron]

Originally Posted by philip72

Ooh, maybe Euphie will come back.

Again I'm just speculating and talking out of my ass. Don't take this too seriously.

Yeah, could be possible. Considering her body seems to be in stasis

Wouldn't it be funny, if Clovis comes back

[quina]

OK Watched the episode at last..

This is the summary notes: The will spoil the whole episode
DO NOT OPEN IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOILED.
It also contains some translation.

here we go...

Spoiler:

- Kallen met with Euphie in KMF. They recognized each other after being called "Doll Princess". However before Kallen can finished her business, Zero and CC appears.

- Gawain has another weapon other than the cannon, its cutter finger. This incapacitate Euphie's KMF in one shot.

- Zero get off his KMF and shot Euphie, Susaku who just got there in his Lancelot withness the scene and go berserk. He actually dodge several shots of Gawains Cannon and able to off balance Gawain too. Given that CC is piloting alone, Susaku isn't doing so bad.

- Bang!
"huh....Why... Luluche.."
"Good bye Euphie, probably... you are my first love"

- Dielhard and Raksha conversation about what would they do next. Diethard is as weird as ever and Raksha don't really care, she just want the data.

- Kirihara suggests that Zero should join them. However Zero rejected and said it is the other way round, they will be the one joining him! He will not accept a rejection. Their way of survival has comes to this.

- NANA!! THE BERSERK. Cornalia the shock!

- Susaku on Euphie bed side. The geass effect is still there however Euphie is able to suppress her feeling of hatred towards Susaku as Eleven. She asks Susaku whether if the special zone area went well. "Are the Japanses happy?". Aww.... this is so sad.... Susaku has to say Yes... The scene is very moving.

- Zero nails all the blame at Euphie and link her to Britania as the whole. He is able to gain support from all the japanese population. Now he is ready for war!

- Zero declare his dream. United State of Japan. The place where race, occupation blah blah blah doesn't matter.

- Lulu seems to understand that as long as he bear geass he would be separate with other people. Nanaly calls him asking whether if its possible for them to go to school festival with Euphie this time.... aww... (yes, Millen is making another one!! she is not giving up).

- CC: "We made a contract.... I will stay by your side." She embrace Lulu who was about to cry. aww Lulu x CC officially won. Should we close the romance trend now?

- CC: "No... thats not the case. I am actually happy."
- Marianne: ""
- CC: "Ahh... seems I did forget how to be kind, Marianne.."

- Vielta was attacked by Britania haters. What will happen to her!? May be her memory will just got back and kick their ass!

- Shirley has no idea that she used to call Luluche "lulu" before.

- Nina is working on the robot in the festival.
"I know... Zero is coming right? Wait a bit Euphamia-sama, I will avenge for you!" She is fired.... Zero bewared, she might screw your plan.

- VV (yes, he is a boy), shows up and tell "something" to Susaku. Most likely about Geass and Lulu.

- Kakuya!!! damit she is freaking CUTE!
"ahh.. how mean of you. You are going to just hurry and leave me behind? I am always your fan you know, since the beginning.... she said a lot of other cute stuffs, I am just lazy to translate. One of them is having her as a victory reward. They will win because I am "Angel of Victory" she said lol

- Zero rejects her saying that he already made a pact with a devil (camera zooms to CC). It is too late to be friendly with a god. He and CC exits.

- Orange went out of control, the testube break... and he is awaken... "Good morning" he said.

- Susaku calls Lulu from Euphie's phone. This is the conversation... translated by me, so appologize if there are minor errors
S: Luluche? Its me.
L: Susaku? What is it, at this time of day.
S: Luluche, are you at school rightnow?
L: No, but I will be back soon.
S: I see. Then tell everyone this for me...
L: What is it then this time?
S: Sky..Don't look up at the sky.
L: eh?
S: Luluche, do you have a person who you hate so much you want to kill?
L: ...ah, I have.
S: I have always thought that that kind of thinking is not good. If you ignores all the rules in a flight, then it just becomes a murder. But now...I am being consume (lead) by hatred. I am fighting to kill people. On the sky of Tokyo that everyone is living in, I am....that's why...
L: It is ok to hate. It is for Euphie. And I have decided. I will not turn back.
S: Is it for Nannaly?
L: Ah. It is about time, I will cut the call.
S: Thank you Luluche.
L: Don't worry about it, we are friend after right?
S: From 7 years ago, always.
L: Ah, later.
S: yeah, later.

I think its pretty clear that SUsaku know that Zero == Lulu. But the translation is up there. decide for yourself.

- "Yes, before a rebirth. There must be a destruction", Zero is bombing the whole tokyo settlement..... "I might be what I have always wanted from that day."

VERY GOOD Episode!
I have no other word to express it, but good.

aww too bad 24&25 will be aired in summer.

[kira11111]

As for Lelouch.....he's definitely going down a dark path, but I don't think he'll ever be a complete villain like Yagami Light. Well, as long as Nunnally exists that is...she's the one thing grounding him.

Lulu's always been on a dark path ever since CC gave him mindhax. His goal is global domination and the destruction of an Empire. geez.

[0rphen21]

looks like an awesome episode but also a totaly sad one poor Lulu looks like he has the burden of the whole world on his shoulders on the lighter side Kaguya is to moe for words was she checking out Zero's height with hers

[zalem]

Hmmmm....I know Kaguya seems popular but I kind of don't like her. She's the type of character I usually really hate. I just prefer more kickass females like Cornelia. Or funny, quirky ones like Millay. Must say, I was laughing when Zero totally rejected her. Besides, C.C. suits Lelouch much more imho.