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iczelion74 · 2009-12-27, 23:40

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Originally Posted by -Sho-

So , Touya x Yuki ending ?

Yeah its a 100% Yuki ending. They did an excellent job closing all possibilities but her.

Rina wrote Thank You goodbye(basically goodbye forever), in her dressing room.
Mana and Menou moved away.
Yayoi was dumped a few eps ago.
Touya stated himself that Haruka was over him.
Misaki is long gone.

Great series 9/10 for me. Ill be rewatching this one in the future, hopefully after a domestic DVD release.

SuperKnuckles · 2009-12-28, 01:23

Well, this sums it up. Touya is probably the least useful male harem character I've ever seen. Even the most generic harem lead has one solid thread to go on, but Touya? Wow. What a boy-toy he was. And that's in a whole line of boy-toys in harem anime.

Reckoner · 2009-12-28, 03:29

This was a wonderful conclusion to a wonderful series. Episode earns a 10/10, series earns a 8.8/10. I never could have imagined them to actually end a series like this so well. I applaud the creators.

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Originally Posted by SuperKnuckles

Well, this sums it up. Touya is probably the least useful male harem character I've ever seen. Even the most generic harem lead has one solid thread to go on, but Touya? Wow. What a boy-toy he was. And that's in a whole line of boy-toys in harem anime.

Touya was one of the most interesting harem leads I've ever seen.

SaintessHeart · 2009-12-28, 04:53

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Touya is only three years older than Mana (20 and 17). So it was a freshman's crush on a senior.

Then Mana should have been voiced by Rie Kugimiya lol. Tsundere + Ojou.

SuperKnuckles · 2009-12-28, 05:02

Yeah, he is interesting at least. But unfortunately still falls in the 'useless harem male' category when all's said and done. Especially in this show, they hammer that point with almost totally nonsensical dramatic tropes to do so. Media outrage, him changing jobs, agencies, etc. Constant switching of girlfriends/goddesses and that's just masking his character trope.

It's a shame, because all the unnecessary drama (looking back, almost none of the major drama arcs really had much of a point than just show what a total bystander Touya is) and the girls are simply lost on him.

Other than all that though, the anime IS pretty beautifully made and it's a triumph as far as the animation and production value goes.

Though storyline wise, I just am left wondering what the point of it all was. Especially when they tidy up the ending this much, what was the point about all the drama? It just makes the drama look silly, looking back. Though the interesting thing is, it's almost like they're saying that Touya is like some mental-case with his amnesia issues and being traumatized and all. Well, I guess they just HAD to use some of the most generic soap opera tropes after all, especially for such a soapy show like this one.

SaintessHeart · 2009-12-28, 07:31

Just listened to the opening of the song again, the only difference between the two songs (Koiiro and Powder Snow) is just a switch from the Bb minor scale to the B major (Powder Snow), or remain the same (Koiiro).

They have similar sharp/flat equivalents and begin in just about the same notes, but it makes the entire piece feel so different because of the arrangement of the notes during in the ascending and descending orders.

The composer is a genius!

Shiroth · 2009-12-28, 07:36

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Originally Posted by iczelion74

Yeah its a 100% Yuki ending. They did an excellent job closing all possibilities but her.

I don't see at all how it's a 100% Yuki ending.

iczelion74 · 2009-12-28, 08:08

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I don't see at all how it's a 100% Yuki ending.

I posted how. Sorry Yayoi ending is not happening

Shiroth · 2009-12-28, 08:16

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Originally Posted by iczelion74

I posted how. Sorry Yayoi ending is not happening

I never said anything of the sort regarding a Yayoi ending. The way i say it, it's just a Touya ending.

DragoZERO · 2009-12-28, 08:55

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I never said anything of the sort regarding a Yayoi ending. The way i say it, it's just a Touya ending.

You have to compare the closure of each girl. The one who didn't get closure was Yuki, therefore it is a Yuki ending.

I forgot about Rina's message too. I might have overlooked it because I don't want to see her go.

Peanutbutter · 2009-12-28, 09:01

Looks like the albums are already out, i.e, Powder Snow and the rest.

That's faster than I thought.

The album didn't have the duet version. Only Rina's version. Awww...

-Sho- · 2009-12-28, 09:43

I think when Touya said "Hello" in the end it was for Yuki and the last words "Touya-kun" from Yuki make me things that it's definitely Touya x Yuki ending (let her get some love

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Others ending impossible as iczelion74 said why back .

Kaoru Chujo · 2009-12-28, 10:09

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Originally Posted by Reckoner

...Touya was one of the most interesting harem leads I've ever seen.

Especially in the final episode. It's not often that a harem lead realizes the error of his ways and ends the show setting out to do better. I didn't understand why so many girls loved him, until we saw how real he was at the end. And the way his father treated him when he was little made me forgive his harshness toward his father in the hospital. This is one show whose manner of ending makes it better rather than worse.

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I think when Touya said "Hello" in the end it was for Yuki and the last words "Touya-kun" from Yuki make me things that it's definitely Touya x Yuki ending (let her get some love). Others ending impossible as iczelion74 said....

Exactly. His face opened in a smile and he rushed toward her. She herself (I mean Hirano Aya) had such loving energy in her voice.

DragoZERO · 2009-12-28, 12:57

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Originally Posted by Peanutbutter003

Looks like the albums are already out, i.e, Powder Snow and the rest.

That's faster than I thought.

The album didn't have the duet version. Only Rina's version. Awww...

No duet!? What!? That's...that's...horrible!!

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Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Especially in the final episode. It's not often that a harem lead realizes the error of his ways and ends the show setting out to do better. I didn't understand why so many girls loved him, until we saw how real he was at the end. And the way his father treated him when he was little made me forgive his harshness toward his father in the hospital. This is one show whose manner of ending makes it better rather than worse.
Exactly. His face opened in a smile and he rushed toward her. She herself (I mean Hirano Aya) had such loving energy in her voice.

Kudos to Touya! He definitely could have gone off the deep end but he didn't.

And yeah, Hirano Aya has a beautiful voice most suiting for Yuki's character.

SaintessHeart · 2009-12-28, 14:33

I find it quite funny in the anime that the opening for Koiiro is played on the natural keys when the song has five flats, covering almost all the notes for a single octave scale.

Shiroth · 2009-12-28, 15:21

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

You have to compare the closure of each girl. The one who didn't get closure was Yuki, therefore it is a Yuki ending.

I think that's rather silly to say it's her end just because she had no closure, though i can see where you're coming from.

It's true there's no proof that the person Touya was meeting at the end is Yuki, though that is pretty much the most obvious case. Still just because he's meeting her, i don't regard this as a Yuki ending, or a 100% Yuki ending. This is White Album. Regarding everything we've seen upto now, i don't think anyone can say it's a certain ending apart from it being a White Album ending.

DragoZERO · 2009-12-28, 15:23

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

I think that's rather silly to say it's her end just because she had no closure, though i can see where you're coming from.

It's true there's no proof that the person Touya was meeting at the end is Yuki, though that is pretty much the most obvious case. Still just because he's meeting her, i don't regard this as a Yuki ending, or a 100% Yuki ending. This is White Album. Regarding everything we've seen upto now, i don't think anyone can say it's a certain ending apart from it being a White Album ending.

Yeah, I hear ya. That's why I don't dismiss Rina with her simple good bye on the mirror.

I still commend them for not half assing the ending. So many times we see a show crap out so they can end things.

SaintessHeart · 2009-12-28, 16:10

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Yeah, I hear ya. That's why I don't dismiss Rina with her simple good bye on the mirror.

I still commend them for not half assing the ending. So many times we see a show crap out so they can end things.

I would say it is split between Rina/Yuki's ending, considering the fact that the two girls are have formed a duet. Probably ended the way like 11eyes did.

DragoZERO · 2009-12-28, 16:30

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

I would say it is split between Rina/Yuki's ending, considering the fact that the two girls are have formed a duet. Probably ended the way like 11eyes did.

Yeah, split.

I'm still annoyed that the music release isn't a duet. That's really mean. They should have at least had Hirano Aya sing it alone though, I have enough Mizuki Nana music to last a long time.

Didn't watch 11eyes actually. Dropped it at the first episode. Is it worth continuing or is like Chaos Head where romance takes a back seat??

-Sho- · 2009-12-28, 16:33

No , don't watch it , don't waste your times lol

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SaintessHeart NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~ Join Date: Nov 2007 Age: 35	Just listened to the opening of the song again, the only difference between the two songs (Koiiro and Powder Snow) is just a switch from the Bb minor scale to the B major (Powder Snow), or remain the same (Koiiro). They have similar sharp/flat equivalents and begin in just about the same notes, but it makes the entire piece feel so different because of the arrangement of the notes during in the ascending and descending orders. The composer is a genius! __________________ When three puppygirls named after pastries are on top of each other, it is called Eclair a'la menthe et Biscotti aux fraises avec beaucoup de Ricotta sur le dessus. Most of all, you have to be disciplined and you have to save, even if you hate our current financial system. Because if you don't save, then you're guaranteed to end up with nothing.

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Peanutbutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Looks like the albums are already out, i.e, Powder Snow and the rest. That's faster than I thought. The album didn't have the duet version. Only Rina's version. Awww... Last edited by Peanutbutter; 2009-12-28 at 10:11.

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SaintessHeart NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~ Join Date: Nov 2007 Age: 35	I find it quite funny in the anime that the opening for Koiiro is played on the natural keys when the song has five flats, covering almost all the notes for a single octave scale. __________________ When three puppygirls named after pastries are on top of each other, it is called Eclair a'la menthe et Biscotti aux fraises avec beaucoup de Ricotta sur le dessus. Most of all, you have to be disciplined and you have to save, even if you hate our current financial system. Because if you don't save, then you're guaranteed to end up with nothing.

2009-12-28, 01:23	Link #2342
SuperKnuckles Anime Hobbyist Join Date: Dec 2004	Well, this sums it up. Touya is probably the least useful male harem character I've ever seen. Even the most generic harem lead has one solid thread to go on, but Touya? Wow. What a boy-toy he was. And that's in a whole line of boy-toys in harem anime.

2009-12-28, 05:02	Link #2345
SuperKnuckles Anime Hobbyist Join Date: Dec 2004	Yeah, he is interesting at least. But unfortunately still falls in the 'useless harem male' category when all's said and done. Especially in this show, they hammer that point with almost totally nonsensical dramatic tropes to do so. Media outrage, him changing jobs, agencies, etc. Constant switching of girlfriends/goddesses and that's just masking his character trope. It's a shame, because all the unnecessary drama (looking back, almost none of the major drama arcs really had much of a point than just show what a total bystander Touya is) and the girls are simply lost on him. Other than all that though, the anime IS pretty beautifully made and it's a triumph as far as the animation and production value goes. Though storyline wise, I just am left wondering what the point of it all was. Especially when they tidy up the ending this much, what was the point about all the drama? It just makes the drama look silly, looking back. Though the interesting thing is, it's almost like they're saying that Touya is like some mental-case with his amnesia issues and being traumatized and all. Well, I guess they just HAD to use some of the most generic soap opera tropes after all, especially for such a soapy show like this one.

2009-12-28, 09:43	Link #2352
-Sho- ~Omedetô~ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Somewhere between heaven and hell !	I think when Touya said "Hello" in the end it was for Yuki and the last words "Touya-kun" from Yuki make me things that it's definitely Touya x Yuki ending (let her get some love ) Others ending impossible as iczelion74 said why back .

2009-12-28, 16:33	Link #2360
-Sho- ~Omedetô~ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Somewhere between heaven and hell !	No , don't watch it , don't waste your times lol