2013-07-07, 12:34 | Link #29261 |
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Canada police say five dead, about 40 missing after oil train blast
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9660D320130707 America's NSA 'in bed with' Germany and most others: Snowden http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9660C020130707 The guy is trying to piss of everyone or what ?
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2013-07-07, 13:11 | Link #29262 | |
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2013-07-07, 16:02 | Link #29264 | |
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I picked this up from another forum:
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2013-07-07, 16:13 | Link #29265 | |
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Instead of spending so much time reading through all his internet posts going back all those years, how about you focus a bit more on how the government is abusing its power and spying on everyone with an internet connection like some kind of real-life fucked-up Orwell story - coz that's what I'm more concerned about, not the fact that Edward Snowden hate social security.
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2013-07-07, 16:19 | Link #29266 | |
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The PRISM program is a total disgrace, and as far as I'm concerned, have completely destroyed whatever claim Obama may have left of moral superiority over the GOP. If anything, he's an even bigger hypocrite, at least the crazy republicans have the courtesy to let you know upfront that they're nuts. And yes, I did vote for that guy. |
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2013-07-07, 16:32 | Link #29268 | |
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Yet, I really just echo what's obvious, right...?
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2013-07-07, 16:40 | Link #29269 | ||
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Not much hope left, nor was there much change, and half of what did was for the worse. Bringing Bush into this is pointless, it doesn't lessen the blame on Obama one bit - if you were beaten and robbed, and a bystander who claim to want to help beat and robbed you as well, is he any less guilty just because another guy did it first? Quote:
Yea, because an expensive large secret operation like PRISM is just some side project of some interns at the NSA... Not to mention that the POTUS, as the head of the executive branch, is ultimately responsible for the action of those agencies. |
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2013-07-07, 16:40 | Link #29270 | |
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2013-07-07, 16:44 | Link #29271 | |
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Not many can say exactly why he did what he did and why he chose the manner that he did it (repetition!); However, sabotaging a government program from within is, without a doubt, much harder and more dangerous than it sounds. He probably took the method that 1.) Released the info to as many people as he could, and 2.) Gave him some comfort and security within the instant recognition he gained.
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2013-07-07, 16:47 | Link #29272 |
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Sabotage? what, a super-virus? or should he have went Mission Impossible/007 style rampaging through the NSA HQ and kill all the "rogue" agents and evil boss? Blow up the entire internet? You've watched too many spy movies, the only way to put any pressure on things like this is going public.
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2013-07-07, 16:50 | Link #29273 |
Logician and Romantic
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You can't sabotage a government program from within unless you are prepared to use explosives. And that means some people would get killed. You can cause trouble, but unless you work in some massive conspiracy, you can't do real damage without resorting to violent means.
Being a whistle blower is the best he could have done. Any more would mean being an ACTUAL old school Terrorist. Rather than the modern fake terrorist.
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2013-07-07, 17:31 | Link #29274 |
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Most of you may be too young to remember J. Edgar Hoover's FBI and just how corrupt it was and how *hard* it was to clean house. The spotlight of public transparency is the only thing that really works.
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2013-07-07, 17:37 | Link #29275 |
books-eater youkai
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Cheap Detroit homes are costly for communities, unwary buyers
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96205I20130703 Greece, foreign lenders close in on deal to unlock aid http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9660HQ20130707
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2013-07-07, 23:59 | Link #29276 | |
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2013-07-08, 00:44 | Link #29277 | |
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Why do you even care about the second part? I don't get it. The facts are out and all you talk about is the person who delivered it. This must be some cultural thing I guess. |
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2013-07-08, 03:37 | Link #29278 | |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
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Some call him a revolutionary, but things and people change. Personally all the labels I'm reading elsewhere of him being some sort of moder day hero or savior are extremely premature and likely exaggerated.
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2013-07-08, 03:44 | Link #29279 | |
Logician and Romantic
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And this is pretty much how the NSA outrage is being drowned out. Instead of focusing on fixing the problem, the media talk about the person exposing the problem. What exactly do you want to know about his motives? How does it matter? Is it fame, money, blackmail, revenge, what? Does any of that matter? Does any of that matter more to you than what he is saying? The only reason we even make him look remotely heroic, is because of the US government's attempt to label him as a criminal. Cause and effect. There is a deliberate attempt to blacken his name, and we are just pushing back against that accusation which existed to discredit him.
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2013-07-08, 03:46 | Link #29280 |
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But not a single damn should be given to whether he is righteous or not. Since it won't ever change what PRISM is. He could be a pedo, it won't change the fact that the system do exist and that many officials admitted it, now we have the confirmation of the existence of the thing, it's not at the state of hypothesis anymore.
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