Mahou Senki Lyrical Nanoha Force Manga Discussion

[Rising Dragon]

I'd say Signum doesn't like teaching, feeling unsuited for it, as she pointed out to Vice in StrikerS, but then again, in the A's manga she teaches kendo in her spare time...

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

I'd say Signum doesn't like teaching, feeling unsuited for it, as she pointed out to Vice in StrikerS, but then again, in the A's manga she teaches kendo in her spare time...

And teached "Shiden Issen" to Erio and also give training sessions to the forwards along with Schach. It's not like she feels unsuited to teach is more that she feels that there's not much she can teach them aside from cutting people with edged objects.

[Rising Dragon]

I think the real deciding factor here when it comes to Touma's teacher is the fact that, before he was infected with the Eclipse, we saw that he was a Mid-style mage. So Nanoha would be the better choice to teach him when it comes to magic, as Signum and Vita are Belkan-style.

Adding to that, Fate's likely got her hands full tracking and determining the whereabouts of the Huckebein, as she and Teana are Enforcers, and that's kind of their job.

[Justin_Brett]

It doesn't seem like he really used magic for combat very much, or at least not that we saw. The Eclipse could even be considered a separate school from either one of them.

And Fate's still technically a Midchildan mage even though Bardiche is pretty much a more talkative Armed Device.

[Rising Dragon]

I know Fate's a Mid-style mage, but like I said, she's probably got her hands full with Enforcer duties concerning the Huckebein, which is likely why she's not Touma's teacher. And yes, the Eclipse can be seen as a separate school and Touma's not a combat mage in Mid, but that's what the training's for.

As for swordplay, it's not like Nanoha's useless. She did watch her father and siblings train and practice as a child, so I'm certain she knows a little about it. Also she can probably teach him how to fight with his weapon against opponents using different styles.

[Akiyoshi]

Well, Nanoha implies that Vita is also going to train Tohma, i guess what kind of training Vita can give to the kid. Considering he's already stronger than anyone else.

[Justin_Brett]

Not like Nanoha would really have nothing to do if Touma wasn't there, either.

And yeah, Vita's method of fighting would work well with him, since it's not like he really has anything to worry about getting hurt in battle.

[00-Raiser]

Nanoha hopes to continue to fight and not harm people...

You know, with ideals like this, the Bureau would get its ass kicked in a full out war. Just imagine, their enemy having no problems killing while the Bureau only captures enemy soldiers. The Bureau loses lots of mages and now have to deal with tons of POWs. Not only would they start running out of places to put them, they'd need to worry about supplying them with necessities. And if a POW is released/escapes, they'd go right back to fighting the Bureau again. The Bureau would be pretty screwed.

And yes, I plan on using that in a fic.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Nanoha hopes to continue to fight and not harm people...

I'm the only one who finds that resolution admirable xD?

[Rising Dragon]

I'm assuming the TSAB would know when to take off the gloves in a full-blown intergalactic conflict. Nanoha might not like it but Nanoha's only one person. Plus, you know, if a TSAB cruiser fires its main cannon at another enemy vessel, I think people are going to die, magic or no.

[00-Raiser]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

I'm the only one who finds that resolution admirable xD?

I'm not saying it's not, but under circumstances it's not exactly smart. Especially with an enemy like the Huckebein that will regenerate most damage.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

I'm assuming the TSAB would know when to take off the gloves in a full-blown intergalactic conflict. Nanoha might not like it but Nanoha's only one person. Plus, you know, if a TSAB cruiser fires its main cannon at another enemy vessel, I think people are going to die, magic or no.

Now that you mention it i wonder if Hayate knows the Augusto cannon would fail when it was fired against the Esquad Huckebein or if she has true intentions of blow the Huckship out of the sky.

[Rising Dragon]

Indeed it isn't. The TSAB's pretty lucky that it is, thus far, the only organization of it's scope and is inherently benevolent in its policies.

[00-Raiser]

But we know the Bureau favours mages and there are a lot of non-mages out there. A bunch of non-administrated worlds could band together, get ahold of anti-magic stuff and all hell would break loose. I intend to call them RAMS: Regulars Against Mage Supremacy.

But this isn't the thread for this

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Finally FORCE 16 translated(in spanish xDU), i gave it a reading and these aare some important points:

Spoiler for tons of spoilers:

- Ginga and Cinque not only went to Caledfwich Techniques to check out the Raptors apparently they're also running a secret investigation on the company(apparently Section Six don't fully trust them after all xD).
- More data about the Raptors:
* The thing on their heads is an audiovisual interfacedesigned to continuously send images and data to the control room where the operators can send instructions back to the raptors in real time.
* This also allows the simultaneous organizations of multiple units.
* They have an internal battery that allows them to operate on normal activity for periods of 40 hours and when the battery runs out it can continue it's activities for another 25 minutes.
* The raptors a very adaptable their armours and equipment can be changed and customized easily to adapt the units to a great variety of situations and settings.
* Cadlefwich announces it as "the best multi-purpose weapon", they still have some details and adjustements to solve but they already starting to promotioning the raptors to the TSAB and the company will give their best effort to convice the bureau to approve their use and become mainstream weapons.
- Wendi talks with Subaru about Tohma's situations and the investigation on Caledfwich Techniques. Subaru informs about the failure of the capture of huckebein members but also success in rescuing the kidnapped kids.
- Tohma is entrevisted by Fate and the research is informed to Hayate, Nanoha and Vita.
- Hayate wants to know everything as possible about the Huckebein and the Eclipse and confirms that Section Six will retreat for now to regroup and check their equipment, the Three Strike Cannons got severely damaged so the Wolfram is defenseless against the Hucks. Nanoha and Fate apologize to Hayate for bypassing her hierarchy and Hayate informs that the Wolfram will land on the 2nd portuary city of Vaizen, also tell Nanoha to give orders to Ginga and Cinque to transport the "09X cannon" to CW.
- The disturbs police continue the persecution on the Hucks while Section Six recovers.
- Tohma manage to realease Lily following shamal's indications. The reaction got cancelled and Tohma's condition started to sabilize Shamal mentions that his virus reduced to less than the 7.5% of the 2nd phase and happily mentions that the medical research is correct.
- Apparently being in possesion of the "zero effect" make Tohma and Lily the ones able to reveal the secret of the Eclipse and the Book of the Silver Cross. the Book says "crisis is over" and deactivates, dissapearing in the process.
- Tohma and Lily agrees to help Section Six on future battles and to solve the case.
- Isis is revealed as the only daughter(alebit she have a brother) of the CEO of the Eaglet Security Service(Eaglet SS), her father leaves her under S6 custody for now. So Lily agrees to help too. And the three got matriculated as apprentices.
- Shamal mentions that they're in danger because the don't fully comprehend the relation of the virus with the reactor.
- Nanoha talks with Vita about being now responsible to train Tohma because he's both an aerial swordsman and an artillery fighter. Apparently they plan to leave Isis's training under Cinque and Wendi's hands because both have experience with explosives and chemical reactions.
- Nanoha still talks about the noble labor of mages to protect and fight without harming people and hopes that she can still be able to do it in the future. Vita trolls her by saying she's a Knight and that don't like be confused for a mage.
- Nanoha leaves and Vita reflects about the need to protects the infected persons as also feeling a bit insecure about their dire situation, by her own admision their actual powers and equipment are insufficient to fight with the Huckebein so they need to improve it. She also guesses that according with Tohma's description about what he talks with Fortis the duo that destroyed the other TSAB facility probably are members of the Huckebein. As also highlight the importance of stopping those "mage killers" and discover the true method of transmition of the virus, because if this become a global phenomenon the TSAB and the life as she know it will collapse.
- Meanwhile on the Huckship, Arnage reveal that she finds Steed and stored him inside Isis's bag, Stella frees the device and Curren talks about return it to Tohma but only after completing their next job: Gon to the Administrated World No. 16 "Liberty" and pay a visit to the Developings Wepon Factory of the "Vandin Corporation", the birthplace of Tohma's Divider and also the Strosek.

Phew! a big chunk of info this chapter xD!

-So the Raptors are less clone troopers and more Trade Federation Droids? Take out their command center and *poof* instant BSOD?
-What's an 09X Cannon? And already introduced weapon whose designation I just forgot or an entirely new toy?
-So physical weapons are banned/restricted/(dammit I wish I know the exact stance) yet they have no qualms with Isis's explosives?

Originally Posted by Kuze

My thoughts after finishing F.3.A.R. and this chapter:

Spoiler:

-Armacham might have far more unethical experiments going on than Caledfwich, but Replicas>>>>>>>Raptors. And Paxton Fettel>>>>>>>Control center. And Alma Wade>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hucks.

So, time for a raid on a weapons factory. Vandin corporation doesn’t ring any bells, but if I hear this right, Touma has a 9th generation Divider, and only recently they’ve been working on gun models?

All the comparison with F.E.A.R feels empty without the uber-psychic underaged ghost mother (then again I haven't played F.3.A.R yet, so I don't know how big Alma's role was)

Originally Posted by Kuze

but do they have the necessary people to utilize all of the firepower that they're packing (logistics, transport, coordination, their own soldiers to pick up and use the stuff)?

When was the last time the series ever care about logistics, again?

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Nanoha hopes to continue to fight and not harm people...

You know, with ideals like this, the Bureau would get its ass kicked in a full out war. Just imagine, their enemy having no problems killing while the Bureau only captures enemy soldiers. The Bureau loses lots of mages and now have to deal with tons of POWs. Not only would they start running out of places to put them, they'd need to worry about supplying them with necessities. And if a POW is released/escapes, they'd go right back to fighting the Bureau again. The Bureau would be pretty screwed.

And yes, I plan on using that in a fic.

Is it a wonder how a number of "TSAB goes to war" fics usually rephrased "no killing" into "capture if you can, but if too troublesome you have permission for lethal attacks"?

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

But we know the Bureau favours mages and there are a lot of non-mages out there. A bunch of non-administrated worlds could band together, get ahold of anti-magic stuff and all hell would break loose. I intend to call them RAMS: Regulars Against Mage Supremacy.

But this isn't the thread for this

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think someone else already tried to make a fic with this exact plot...

As for Touma's training in Vita's boot camp it should make for quite the entertainment.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think someone else already tried to make a fic with this exact plot...

As for Touma's training in Vita's boot camp it should make for quite the entertainment.

Synae made a fic like that, up until half the fanfic authors here decided to flip out and tear it apart.

[00-Raiser]

If it's been done I don't know and don't particularly care. There'd be a much bigger threat looming in the background anyways.

Anywho, it's harder to fight to save than it is to fight to kill. That's another factor as to why the Huckebein have been coming out on top. Nanoha and co are making things harder on themselves.

[Justin_Brett]

It's not like trying to kill them really makes things not inconvenient, either; it just means you're trying to demolish a brick wall that rebuilds itself perpetually. When the CO of the operation tries to smash their ship with an iceberg, you can't really say they were trying not to hurt them.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

-So the Raptors are less clone troopers and more Trade Federation Droids? Take out their command center and *poof* instant BSOD?
-What's an 09X Cannon? And already introduced weapon whose designation I just forgot or an entirely new toy?
-So physical weapons are banned/restricted/(dammit I wish I know the exact stance) yet they have no qualms with Isis's explosives?

1.- Probably they have programed some emergency autonomous fight mode or something, i don't know yet really xDU
2.- It must be a new toy, so far we only have 00X(Fortress), 02X(Strike Cannon), 03X(War Hammer) and 07X(the freakin Sword Breaker!) ...oh yeah and the new ADX(Raptor), so yeah i wonder what this 09X is, the translation calls it a "cannon", so i wonder if it's a new upgrade to Nanoha or the unit designed for Teana or Hayate.
3.- Well, as for now very few people know about Isis outside of Section Six and they can't be exigent, so far Isis is the most effective combatant they have asido of Tohma xDU.