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2006-06-10, 02:31 | Link #6 |
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Yes. Kira was...um..."nurtured" in the artificial womb while Cagalli was the twin who got the normal pregnancy of their mother. The only explanation I could have for this is that Dr. Ulen Hibiki got his specimens before Cagalli was...um...created. Or maybe, he could have used the test tube or some other method to get the finished product, then had one develop in the artificial womb and one develop normally in their mother's womb. Since they're not identical twins, fraternal twins are created from separate egg cells fertilized from separate sperm cells...I imagine it would be a lot harder if they actually turned out to be identical...>.< so the test tube/some other method could be the best explanation of how Kira and Cagalli came to be.
But, Viki Hibiki (I think that was their mother's name) was crying over what Ulen Hibiki did to their son during that Mendel flashback (she was still not visibly pregnant at that time)...and Ulen was going on that he had used several failed specimens before he got Kira correctly...another LOOPHOLE?
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Kira's dad nurtured the fetus in an artificial incubation chamber where it could recieve 100% positive conditions(Something a womb could not)...Cagali remained in his wife and was born naturally...He probably sprinkled a little Al Da Flaga season salt in the chamber and "walaaa"....The Ultimate Kicka$$inator...
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FYI the mother's name was Via Hibiki for whoever brought that up.
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There is suffient evidence to suggest this...and furthermore it makes sense...
While I wouldn't stand in front of a moving bullet-train to defend everything on wiki it is also suggested in their conclusion... However, the process was not completely successful and several clones were created after the instability of Al Da Flaga, Jr.(who would later become known as Rau Le Creuset) became apparent: including Rey Za Burrel and Prayer Reverie. These Newtype cloning experiments were the precursor to Dr. Hibiki's Ultimate Coordinator project which created Kira Yamato in more ways than one, as Hibiki not only used the funding he received from Al Da Flaga, Sr. in creating Kira, but possibly, Al Da Flaga's Newtype DNA itself (Kira experiences Newtype flashes in Gundam SEED Destiny). Al Da Flaga gave Hibiki money to make him clones...Hibiki took the money and started his Ult. Coord. project under Al's nose...Creating Rau Le Creset was a precursor for him starting the "Kira" project...Why is it so hard for one to think he used sucesses in that project when it came to his other project?? (Don't forget Rau was a successful project...it was their attempt at speeding up his age to match Mwu that ultimatley ruined him genetically speaking) Maybe he saw something in Al Da Flaga's clone that helped it mature in the chamber without complications...The guy is a genetic scientist I'm sure he saw something in the Al's DNA that could help...The Bottomline is Kira has the NT flash or feeling only when in the presence of Al Da Flaga's genetic children...What I am suggesting is nothing far-fetched in the least...and the name of this thread is Kira's father where the poster asked if what he showed was a pic of Kira's dad...After he was corrected it branched off into Cagali, now it's back to Hibiki who without a doubt used Al Da Flaga's DNA in various experiments...I'm just putting 2 and 2 together...Unless I hear an explanation better than my own I'll stick with it...
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From how it seemed, people like Rau, Rey and Prayer Reverie (I think that was the Dreadnought pilot and, if I remember right, another clone?) were, at least from the way Rey and other sources said it "prototypes" for Kira?
I dunno. Just something I read in different places. No hard proof. u_u;;
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2006-06-11, 01:51 | Link #11 | |
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Rau was the precursor to the "perfected" experiment: Kira Yamato. Rau was bawling like a kid over that in GS. Quote:
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2006-06-11, 02:25 | Link #12 |
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In Rey's case I think it has more to do with upbringing and motivation.
Rau was taught that he was superior and was pushed to be better than all others, Rey on the other hand, from what we were shown in the series, didn't seem to be raised in this fashion. Rau apparently, from what I can gather of the flashbacks, was raising him to be more of an intellectual (plaing the piano, playing at a genetics lab, etc). Perhaps, Rau was trying to develope his mind knowing that, like himself, Rey would easily be superior to most with little effort. Just spectulation... |
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Hibiki was already working on the Ultimate Coordinator project before Flaga even come into the picture. Rau was not Kira Project v1.0b. Hibiki is also seen working on it with many people, so his project wasn't a secret and it's extremely likely that it was a collaborative effort with Hibiki being the main doctor in charge of it.
Flaga simply thinks his son is a pussy and wants a clone of himself. Hibiki even says he doesn't want to do it at first. I remember the dialog word for word, and it goes like this... Hibiki: I won't do it, cloning is illegal! Flaga: Laws are just things written by men. Flaga: Besides, you need more money [for your project], don't you? The fact that Flaga also knows about the Coordinator Project is probably indactive of the fact that it's public knowledge or at least common in medical circles enough for Flaga to acknowledge Hibiki is the go-to guy for genetic technologies. Besides, what's to say Hibiki even knows Flaga is a Newtype? His actions suggest he did the cloning and washed his hands of the matter as quick as he could. His actions suggest he has a conscience, and as much as he cares about succeeding I doubt he would use illegal means which he already expressed he didn't agree with (he was just desperate for money). Rau also says there were mainly failed Kira projects before the successful one. If Hibiki had a loophole or a means of ensuring a higher success rate from the get go I think he would have done it. But no, he probably spent a fortune on failed experiments until he finally came up with the winning combination. Don't forget that the one and only Newtype flash Kira has happens in space in episode 39... Mu or Rey are nowhere to be seen. Kira can sense Rau's presence in the last episode of Seed, but I think that is purely coincidental and it also explains why he thinks Rey is Rau at the end of GSD. Same thing when he senses Mu on the boat. He never has a Newtype reaction to any of them, he just stops and turns his head. Also Rau was not a perfect clone. He even says he is a defect. I am not going to argue with the show's dialog, but you may feel free to do so. Also wiki is full of shit, I could go on there right now and post that Kira evolved from mutant primates if I wanted to. There is a lot of BS in their Seed info. I'm not going to use it as a reference since I already have the show's dialog to back me up.
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2006-06-11, 05:14 | Link #15 |
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where is kira's adoptive fahter in GSD? off topic: If Rey was produced at the same time then rau shouldn't he at least be at the same age as kira? and if he was produced later ... why produce another clone when al da flaga is already death? and how? .. after what happen to mendal, I think It would be hard to build another labor which has the capacity for cloning. |
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I read somewhere Fukuda said Kira's father was working far away. (Which is rather common in anime fathers.)
I don't remember anything about Rau being artificially aged. (He shows premature aging because of his short telomeres, but that's another problem.) So, as far as I can see, the timeline is more or less: - Hibiki starts his Ultimate Coordinator project. More or less at the same time Al decides he hates his wife and her (their?) son. - Al gives Hibiki funding in exchange for clones. Rau is born. - Several years later, Hibiki at last gets a viable Ultimate Coordinator: Kira. - Two (if Rey and Shinn are the same age) years later, Rey is born. Rau is still a kid. - Rau kills his dad. |
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Al de Flaga is just missing. Or did he die in that fire?
Rey and Rau are the same (they were created at the same time). They waited a little longer before deciding to "unleash" Rey. that was why Rey was also taking the same pills as Rau used; he told Shinn in an indirect way that he was Rau and that he also shared Rau's sickness, or whatever that was.
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As for sensing Rau one can assume (since he doesn't get NT-flashes in SEED) that his NT skills are still developing..If you've seen any G-series with Newtypes, you'd know that many Newtypes develop their powers thru battle and practice (and simply time)...they don't all start off as strong Newtypes...With lack of a definitive explanation for anything Newtype-ish in the SEED universe, Kira's sudden jump from not having NT skills to now having them would logically have to be considered under this explanation...Seems to be a better explanation than pure coincidence (which is once again your battle-cry)... Quote:
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