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My reason for watching Madoka Magica does not have any relevance in this subject nor does it contradict my initial post. Like I said I went into the show completely blind... No promos no commercials and whatsoever the only thing I know is that it is made by Shaft and is obviously a magical girl show. Tell me how does this contradict my initial post? What are you going to say if I did see it's commercials and I went into it because I liked the designs? It seems to me you are trying to make an argument out of anything. :-/ Quote:
Even in written works a character's outside appearance is always established first the moment that character is available for scrutiny before delving any further. It does not go the other way around.
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Kusoru who flew all the way from Japan won earlier this year UMvC3 evo 2012 with his obsecure team of Rocket Raccoon, Frank West and Viewtifull Joe. After winning the tournament he said that he probably won't be back the next time and there was a huge commotion about what he said in the in American fighting game community saying how bad his attitude was based on those few words (a few days later Kusoru explained why he won't be back though), seeing that japan didn't even take the game seriously at all (it was only played in minor tournaments and even in the local tournaments it's not that common) and yet some "random japanese person" won a major American tournament. As for samurai spirits, Samurai Spirits Zero Special was still played in last and this years Ura Tougeki and Acho and many other tournaments as well. So stop saying things that you have obviously no clue about. Quote:
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You were not going blind into Madoka, because you even said it yourself that you started it because it was made by Shaft. Which is loyalty to a certain studio and that is also a possible factor for watching a show.Thus making your primary reason of watching Madoka in the first place not the character design but rather studio loyalty. Quote:
This had nothing to do with a first design of outside appearance, seeing that also a huge amount of characters didn't change at all (aside from the drawing style, because it was obviously done by a different artist). Same designs were changed over the years, for reasons like for example the original super hero left or went missing in action (or dying, but in some cases they ended up being alive or were revived later on. So i rather call it missing in action) and a new one who took the same name replaced him/her or the comic series were canned at some point and rebooted later on. Those redesigns took into account the current trends and other factors of that time. edit: i didn't notice that you are also talking about written works as well. In the case of written stories, it's even more important to establish how the characters act and behave. Like for example, my first impression of sherlock Holmes was that he is an excellent observer and deducer rather than how his appearance was discribed. His appearance does supplement his sometimes odd behavior but it's not the most important thing about him. Last edited by hyl; 2012-07-18 at 08:40. |
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You say it is pretty obvious but it looks to me you don't understand why the outside appearance is described first. Oh and did you know that first and primary are synonyms? Tell me how can people recognize Madoka in a picture drawn by a fanartist? How can people recognize Madoka in a doujinshi acting like a perverted old man? I'm going to tell you now that being animated by Shaft does not have anything to do with it.
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As for Tougeki , it only uses recent games (just like Evo) and samurai spirits hasn't had a game the last few years. It's because it's such a popular franchise so that previous installments of that game are still played in tournaments. Quote:
So far i haven't seen any actual proof of you claiming that Samurai spirits was a bad game and she became popular just because of her design. In fact if it weren't for the succes of the game, she probably wouldn't have become popular. That is what i am saying. Quote:
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As for loyality it is a trait. Some people watch animes because it's directed by their favorited director or if the anime has their favorite seiyuus in it. Having loyalty to a studio is the same as well. Your claim that you were going blind into Madoka was false because you were already expecting something already based on the fact that it was made by Shaft (thus implying that you were atleast impressed by their previous works). Quote:
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For example my first reason for hating a show does not mean that it's the primary (most important)reason why i hate a show. Also first impressions can be deceiving. Like the already used example of Madoka. Quote:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...5&postcount=33 As for fan creations, they can easily do anything out of context. Same people don't even consider that identifiable seeing how much the character differs from their original. But that would be an entirely different discussion if i start about that. |
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I beg to differ but the fact of the matter is many doujinshis have the characters going OOC. It never stopped anyone from recognizing the characters.
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When it comes to characters I merely ask that their personality not clash with the animes goal for them and how other characters act around them. If a character is useless and weak-willed but everyone insists that they are to be relied on and that they have the ability to lead despite that obviously not being the case (i.e Shu from Guilty Crown) I typically don't find said character very likeable or easy to get into. Likewise if the character is just an insufferable jerk or sociopathic to everyone around them and are met with the other characters and plot bending over backwards to reward them and claim how great they are (Almost any NisoIsin female character) I also won't find said character very identifiable. I also just find certain character types like the main characters half-retarded ecchi best friend to be just truly loathsome, irritating and iredeemable as character types because it even makes the otherwise kind of likeable hero look like some kind of idiot for hanging out with and calling on them for support from time to time.
As for anime, that's far more subjective, but for me I tend to identify/appreciate certain genres like mecha/sci-fi/fantasy/drama over others like Comedy and Romance. That's pure preference though. |
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It's the same as the American people played MvC2 tournaments in which infinites/loops and other things were available due to the bad design and it was allowed. Also only the 4th game were played in those tournaments, because of it's balancement issues. You deliberately neglicted the fact that there have been no new Samurai spirits released in the past few years , so of course it won't show up in many major tournaments. Quote:
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Also loyalty does not mean that you have to like everything. Fans of George Lucas, Steven Spielberg or Ridley Scott don't automatically love every film they have made. But based on their experiences, they might want to try (as in what you also did with Madoka or some people did with Ridley Scott's Prometheus ) some of their films. Quote:
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And again 3rd strike. When was the original third strike? When is the HD? Quote:
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As for third strike, it was remade with hd graphics last year.. Seriously, atleast pretend to know what we are talking . Quote:
As for making a gallery, it 's doomed from the start. The fact is that your gallery suggestion is so stupidly vague that i can put everything in it and i can easily manipulate the results depending on what the contents of my gallery are and the audience that i am showing it to. It makes no difference if i put BRS and Okabe in it if i fill the entire gallery with completely different things like monsters, comic book characters or real live people and show it to either small children ,teenage girls or the non asian, non caucasion couple in my street. Quote:
Also there is probably a reason why the first 2 episode discussions had less than 40 replies while starting from episode 3 the amount of replies rose to over 300. People who started watching it from the start had different expectations. Quote:
How am i changing the topic again? A show in this context was an anime show, if i also need to remind you of that as well. Quote:
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If you can't understand what i am implying by quoting all of this: you haven't even bothered posting anything except character designs. In what part of all these posts that you have made have you said something about these "secundary"factors ?. All i have been reading was character design this, character design that and i haven't seen you post any other factors so far. |
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Some of it are on topic though, seeing that we are mostly having a debate on character design being the most important factor for making an anime/character identifiable or not.
But yeah, it does seem like a whole wasted page. On topic , the topic starter hasn't made any followup replies himself what he actually meant with identifiable. |
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Ok I'm going to make this short. I misread the topic title into "anime character or character" I will give you that... all this time I never debated about the show and all my arguments are based on a character only basis. With that I respectfully admit that it was my fault in this misunderstanding and I do apologize for it.
Edit: removed off topic content
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usually the MC is a loser, which is "Identifiable" to you.
simply put, anything that be thrown over to RL (emotions, sad events, etc) are what makes it identifiable to you. also dreams. the kinds that you know will never happen to you, thats the kinda stuff that makes you root for the MC
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I get interested by the characters appearence, the anime genre, the plot, anime style, supernatural power or beings, and how inappropriate it is. If the anime has cute main characters I would watch it. But if they are ugly like the main girl having short hair i wouldnt watch it. But under the cercumstances of Ouran high school host club I would still watch it.
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