2010-04-25, 18:16 | Link #9221 | |
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And just because granny wasn't on the island doesn't mean she's dead. I'd think she'd divorce him if she thought he was cheating on her.
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2010-04-25, 18:24 | Link #9222 | |||
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I understand that we may have our differences in what defines a closed room but shouldn't we stick to the definition given from the game? Quote:
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Ronove stated that in the forest of Rokkenjima, a hidden mansion called Kuwadorian exists. Beatrice and Kinzo had a conversation regarding who she really was in Kuwadorian. Ronove confirmed this by stating that those two actually had a conversation like that in this place. Ronove also said, "In the year 1967, in the hidden mansion on Rokkenjima, Beatrice existed as a human.". Beatrice and Kinzo's conversation was omitted from the anime and the red truth regarding that conversation was also omitted. Since the conversation was omitted it was never stated that "This is the world of 1967." in the anime. Ronove had said that during Beatrice and Kinzo's conversation in the visual novel. Rosa's flashback began after Beatrice and Kinzo's conversation from 1967. In the visual novel red truth was never given that the world of 1967 occured during the same year as Rosa's flashback. Regardless of what year it happened, human Beatrice died by falling off a cliff in Rosa's flashback. Meta-Beatrice confirmed that she was definitely dead to meta-Battler after Rosa had left the scene.
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2010-04-25, 18:44 | Link #9226 | |
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My theory is that this is another clue. He couldn't say This is the world of 1967 during the Rosa and Beatrice scene if it didn't actually occur in 1967. Go back and check the anime if you wish. That's always been the problem. I don't think there's a reason why Rosa would lie at that time.
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2010-04-25, 18:52 | Link #9227 |
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Not to mention her lie must be based on some truths. She mentioned the hidden mansion. and we know it exists, she mentioned meeting Beatrice there. We know Beatrice was there. She said Beatrice died. we know Beatrice died. If it is a lie, she knows quite a bit of stuff.
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2010-04-25, 18:56 | Link #9228 | ||
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2010-04-25, 19:00 | Link #9229 |
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Rosa couldn't lie about her grandmother being still alive at that time.
Rudolf comments: about 20 years ago. So everyone has in mind that Rosa is talking about an event happened around that time, yet Rosa says at that time she had an argument with her mother. That particular didn't go unnoticed since Krauss comments that he sympathizes for Rosa being treated particularly bad from their mother. Now if their mother was supposed to be dead at that time, I guess someone would have noticed. So no, around 20 years ago Kinzo's wife was still alive. Then again this isn't just Rosa's story, it's something that Beatrice is showing to Battler and I see no reason as to why Beatrice would lie about this issue. So in the end I can only think that Natsuhi forgot that Kinzo's wife was also there at that time.
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2010-04-25, 19:10 | Link #9230 | |
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At the family conference Rosa confessed that a human Beatrice actually existed. This was Beatrice when she was still a human. She was forced by Kinzo to live her entire life trapped in Kuwadorian. Rosa said that this Beatrice died by falling off a cliff. However, Rosa said something strange when she described what happened:
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2010-04-25, 19:18 | Link #9231 | |
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Though I will admit Rosa's story is funny.. Does she react when she hears Beatrice's name in other eps? |
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2010-04-25, 19:22 | Link #9232 | |
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Of course you would try to forget what happened, but you would never forget the details of it.
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2010-04-25, 19:29 | Link #9233 | |
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Though I think her story might be fishy too. |
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2010-04-25, 21:59 | Link #9238 | |
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It's very easy to think that she might have suppressed the memory of the witch. I see no real reason for Beatrice to show a fake flashback -- Battler himself thought it was a lie of some sort and she seemed disappointed at the notion he was making. |
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2010-04-25, 22:17 | Link #9239 | |
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2010-04-25, 22:20 | Link #9240 | ||
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However, you are forgetting what had happened at that time. Battler wasn’t listening to her seriously so she asked Ronove to take over and left. The two scenes:
Beatrice wasn’t trying to trick Battler by showing the 1967 scene right before Rosa and Beatrice’s story. She left before she could give any details about it. Ronove took her place. Did Ronove trick Battler? No, I don’t think so. However, he was reluctant to give too many details since it was Beatrice’s game. Therefore, here’s the theory I’ve been leading up to: Beatrice showed Battler the scene from 1967 first because that was the only time when she had a conversation with Kinzo that would help Battler learn the truth. If Battler would have listened to her story properly then she wouldn’t have left and Ronove wouldn’t have taken her place. She would have been around to answer the questions regarding the Rosa and Beatrice story as well. Ronove, who was reluctant to give too many details did not mention the year was not 1967 when Beatrice fell off the cliff. No one was trying to trick anyone and no one was showing a fake flashback.
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