To Aru Majutsu no Index - Anime Spoilers & Speculation (for novel readers only)

[shmaster]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Which brings me back to my original point- wouldn't he need to upload the Angel Virus again to forcefully change her ? Especially since Accelerator erased it in Russia?

True.
But in this case, we can still hope for scenario like.. say Full tuning make her entrance to the plot as Aleister's Plan B.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by cosmic_eagle

If it were on, the Amakusa members would have been comitting suicide with every spell they made.

I was talking about the time he went to pick up Vento.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by leukrota

Or any other contingency plan he most likely has.

Well, Ollerus threatened Aleister about the Gemstones and I don't think he was bluffing... A magic god probably qualifies as Angel level or higher.

Probably. Anyway, it's not so much power here but the nature of it.

Which brings me back to my original point- wouldn't he need to upload the Angel Virus again to forcefully change her ? Especially since Accelerator erased it in Russia?

That is actually more of the strain of supporting Aiwass. Hyouka seems less of a burden on her at any rate.

In addition to Aleister's contingencies. The Artificial Heaven is core in his plan after all.

I was talking about the time he went to pick up Vento.

Yeah but he didn't have a widespread God's Right Seat power field on like Vento. Thus then the backlash would not be as great

[Miraluka]

Having a body with the characteristics from both Mary, Jesus and having angelic properties on his body is far more volatile than Vento who only has the later.

[shmaster]

Hm? I remember when Aqua entered the scene, the Artificial Heaven has already stopped functioning.

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by shmaster

Hm? I remember when Aqua entered the scene, the Artificial Heaven has already stopped functioning.

Kazakiri was still present, that implies that it was still active to some level.

[RPG_Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Okashira

Kazakiri was still present, that implies that it was still active to some level.

But was he using magic. Vento had her Divine Punishment magic active the whole time, which was why she was coughing up blood.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Having a body with the characteristics from both Mary, Jesus and having angelic properties on his body is far more volatile than Vento who only has the later.

It's a property of his body. He's not actively trying to spread it against the AIM field.

Unlike what would happen if Odinus tried to do anything to it or what Vento did; clash her own magic field against the AIM one.

On the reverse is like Accelerator passively deflecting those Russian magi's spells yet when he actively uses magic it hurts him badly.

I don't deny Odinus can stand inside the AIM field and function fine but to fight or take any heavy magical action while in it and with Aleister himself, Hyouka and whatever other thing Aleister may have up his sleeve is a bit more doubtful.

[tsunade666]

Vento with active divine punishment and spamming wind magic. Aqua is just being badass throws a wind vane then gets Vento warn then leaps away again. No magic at all. Pure badass superman strength which is brought by being a saint and badass.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Going back to vol 13, the effect of Artificial Heaven/Imaginary District doesn't seem to require Fuse=Kazakiri, but only after she appears does it have it's output increase.

In the end this still means that Imaginary District isn't an Almighty Deterrent yet, unless of course Crowley manages to increase it's output during this one and a half months...

[tsunade666]

How will he increase it? though I think having Aiwass connected onto this plane. Makes the Artificial Heaven almost complete. Artificial Heaven is probably only use so it can house Aiwass and the goal of Aleister is to make Artificial Heaven cover the world and change the world law and make Aiwass go anywhere he wants to go.

EDIT:

AIWASS VS OTHINUS

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Going back to vol 13, the effect of Artificial Heaven/Imaginary District doesn't seem to require Fuse=Kazakiri, but only after she appears does it have it's output increase.

In the end this still means that Imaginary District isn't an Almighty Deterrent yet, unless of course Crowley manages to increase it's output during this one and a half months...

Is not exactly that way....it's more like the Artificial Heaven is what Hyouka resides in.

The Heaven sustains her would be more correct.

And the AIM concentration increases when she's around because she's a mass of AIM just like how Angels are masses of Telesma.

It's just that it's very likely that if the Artificial Heaven is pulled into our world then Hyouka would get involved.

After all is not the Artificial Heaven a key part of Aleister's Temple for his Aeonic shift?



Anyway I'm wondering how those people at 2ch ranked Aiwass above Fiamma when he was temporarily beyond God's law.

How will he increase it? though I think having Aiwass connected onto this plane. Makes the Artificial Heaven almost complete. Artificial Heaven is probably only use so it can house Aiwass and the goal of Aleister is to make Artificial Heaven cover the world and change the world law and make Aiwass go anywhere he wants to go.

EDIT:

AIWASS VS OTHINUS

LO is cured....Aiwass loses its anchor to this plane of existence as a result so that's quite unlikely.

[tsunade666]

But isn't Aiwass already freed when the anchor was removed. Is LO even supporting Aiwass? I thought when LO was free from supporting Aiwass. Aiwass was finally free to roam in this world or a semi permanent or he partially exist in this world.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

But isn't Aiwass already freed when the anchor was removed. Is LO even supporting Aiwass? I thought when LO was free from supporting Aiwass. Aiwass was finally free to roam in this world or a semi permanent or he partially exist in this world.

Yes, LO was supporting Aiwass...or rather the stress of supporting Aiwass was killing her.

Aiwass was fading from this world after that. To the point that it was pulling back from manifesting in it. It's power had been greatly reduced without LO's support.


Being a possible Horusian Temple, it's likely that if Aleister's plan succeeds, Aiwass would be free to exist here.

[Flere821]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Wouldn't the Artificial Heaven require capturing Last Order and all that nonsense again?

WW3 did have Aiwass hijacking the Artificial Heaven (or at least the AIM field that makes it up) to allow Kazakiri to go in angel-mode and fight Gabriel in Russia. I think it's feasible to activate Artificial Heaven without needing LO's presence.

And after a month or so's time, Artificial Heaven might have further improvements added to it following Vento's attack. It was still a work in progress after all.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Flere821

WW3 did have Aiwass hijacking the Artificial Heaven (or at least the AIM field that makes it up) to allow Kazakiri to go in angel-mode and fight Gabriel in Russia. I think it's feasible to activate Artificial Heaven without needing LO's presence.

At that time yeah, but didn't Accelerator also remove all traces of the Aiwass virus? I don't he would do a half ass job and leave some kind of a 'backdoor' for Aiwass to 'hijack' Last Order again.

Of course I have no evidence for that except it would be pretty screw-up to have Last Order play the role as a victim for the third time again.

I suppose it's also entirely possible for the Sisters to combine their powers 'Captain Planet' style to summon Fuse=Kazakiri...

Originally Posted by Flere821

And after a month or so's time, Artificial Heaven might have further improvements added to it following Vento's attack. It was still a work in progress after all.

That's what I'm thinking as well, but if that's the case things are going to get a bit hairy for our Aztec Magician and his girls...

[shmaster]

Agree on Sisters combining their power to summon Kazakiri. The AIM field can be extended to Russia in the first place because the sisters willingly helped out.

And I pulled out vol.13 and checked again. Pg.354, Artificial Heaven's affect to nullify magic is indeed gone by the time Aqua rescued Vento.

[Marcus H.]

I suppose it's also entirely possible for the Sisters to combine their powers 'Captain Planet' style to summon Fuse=Kazakiri...

"'Earth!', MISAKA 12477 shouts as she raises her right arm with a clenched fist."
"'Fire!', MISAKA 16888 cries out as energetically as possible!"
"'Wind!', MISAKA 10992 glamorously declares as she lifts her hand like MISAKA is drying her nails."
"'Water!', MISAKA 19225 nonchalantly raises her hand as if uninterested to join but is coerced to do so."
"'Heart!', MISAKA 10032 says with a triumphant expression as she successfully tricked her sisters into imitating that particular transformation scene."

"By the powers combined, I'm Fuse=Kazakiri- Wait, WHAT AM I DOING?!"

It was too late. There's a grin slowly emerging from MISAKA 10032's face.

[Chaos2Frozen]

^
Aiwass: "Hmmm, there is value in something like this as well..."

[Mr.Kyon]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

"'Earth!', MISAKA 12477 shouts as she raises her right arm with a clenched fist."
"'Fire!', MISAKA 16888 cries out as energetically as possible!"
"'Wind!', MISAKA 10992 glamorously declares as she lifts her hand like MISAKA is drying her nails."
"'Water!', MISAKA 19225 nonchalantly raises her hand as if uninterested to join but is coerced to do so."
"'Heart!', MISAKA 10032 says with a triumphant expression as she successfully tricked her sisters into imitating that particular transformation scene."

"By the powers combined, I'm Fuse=Kazakiri- Wait, WHAT AM I DOING?!"

It was too late. There's a grin slowly emerging from MISAKA 10032's face.