New Dragon Ball Z Movie

[The Green One]

Remember when being strong enough to destroy the planet was impressive? Now someone sneezes and the Milky Way implodes. That's the kind of power ridiculousness we see.

[GDB]

Well, Saiyan Saga Vegeta was strong enough to destroy a planet. In fact, he almost did destroy Earth. That was at 18k power level. That was insignificant by the end of the Ginyu Saga, let alone Frieza Saga, Cell Saga, Buu Saga, or "God Saga".

[Vegard Aune]

Saiyan Saga Vegeta? Hah! Tournament Saga Muten Roshi was strong enough to blow up the moon. I don't really think there's that much of a difference in the wow-factor of "He just blew up the moon in one shot!" and "He just blew up a planet in one shot!"

[kenjiharima]

Well it kinda makes sense now that Goku doesn't want to fight Vegeta yet in the ending of DBZ he exclaims he needs more training and gone with Uub to train. Also in the ending of the DBZ saga kid Trunks looks more like F.Trunks in body, unlike in GT which he gone thinner like Gohan and Goten.

Yes GT happened and Toriyama let it happen....

[ChainLegacy]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

Well it kinda makes sense now that Goku doesn't want to fight Vegeta yet in the ending of DBZ he exclaims he needs more training and gone with Uub to train. Also in the ending of the DBZ saga kid Trunks looks more like F.Trunks in body, unlike in GT which he gone thinner like Gohan and Goten.

Yes GT happened and Toriyama let it happen....

It happened, but it is clearly not in this same timeline, canon, reality, interpretation, or whatever you want to call it. We've been told this several times. I mean, you're just comparing character designs, so I'm not sure why you included that last line, which felt like you're saying GT must be canon because Toriyama let it. But it's really strange to me to cling to the notion that it's canon when we've been told it isn't anymore.

Originally Posted by Vegard Aune

Saiyan Saga Vegeta? Hah! Tournament Saga Muten Roshi was strong enough to blow up the moon. I don't really think there's that much of a difference in the wow-factor of "He just blew up the moon in one shot!" and "He just blew up a planet in one shot!"

Yup, and Tien and Goku surpassed him in the next tournament. I bet King Piccolo was at least planet-destroying level if Roshi was moon-destroying level. I think end DBZ level strength, even for the weaker characters like Piccolo, or maybe even Tien, is probably solar system-destroying, if they charged the ki blast long enough. Given the numerical difference in power levels, end DBZ ki blasts should be galaxy destroying, but there's a reason Toriyama abandoned power levels, they made no sense.

[The Green One]

Well as Vegeta once said in a certain parody series of DragonBall Z......

"Power levels are bulls*!!!"

[GDB]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

Yes GT happened and Toriyama let it happen....

So did all the previous movies, which clearly are impossible to be canon outside of MAYBE Bojack and Tapion. Just because they "exist" doesn't mean they're canon.

Originally Posted by ChainLegacy

I think end DBZ level strength, even for the weaker characters like Piccolo, or maybe even Tien, is probably solar system-destroying, if they charged the ki blast long enough.

It was said that Super Perfect Cell was solar system destroying levels of power.

Also remember that just because you have a certain power level doesn't mean you can expel all of that power at once in an attack. If you do, you wind up like Majin Vegeta or Chiaotzu.

[Goty]

Originally Posted by ChainLegacy

It happened, but it is clearly not in this same timeline, canon, reality, interpretation, or whatever you want to call it. We've been told this several times. I mean, you're just comparing character designs, so I'm not sure why you included that last line, which felt like you're saying GT must be canon because Toriyama let it. But it's really strange to me to cling to the notion that it's canon when we've been told it isn't anymore.

Toriyama himself seemed to completely disregard GT in all his BoG interviews..

Manga authors rarely have have this kind of control over filler arcs/shows...so of course existing doesn't mean it happened.
I think GT could be considered "anime-canon" at best, at least until Toriyama started being directly involved with these official sequels.

[kenjiharima]

Originally Posted by ChainLegacy;5468137[B

]It happened, but it is clearly not in this same timeline, canon, reality, interpretation, or whatever you want to call it[/B]. We've been told this several times. I mean, you're just comparing character designs, so I'm not sure why you included that last line, which felt like you're saying GT must be canon because Toriyama let it. But it's really strange to me to cling to the notion that it's canon when we've been told it isn't anymore.

That I totally agree. Even Vegeta said a saiyan's hair cannot change and look at GT he had a flatop and a spikey one.

What I meant is that Toriyama let other people do his story for him, which made GT not really consistent. The new movie BOG like said disregards GT in all it's entirety and given that there are other universes mentioned in BOG.

Originally Posted by GDB

So did all the previous movies, which clearly are impossible to be canon outside of MAYBE Bojack and Tapion. Just because they "exist" doesn't mean they're canon.

Well the Xmen days of Future Past movie erased all the Xmen1 and 2 movies along with the others origin ans the wolverine movie as being canon to make a better Xmen franchise for the future.

DBZ BOG pretty much did the same so we follow now from that point.

[GDB]

Except Days of Future Past involved Time Travel to rewrite history. This is just ignoring bad, non-canon material.

[Gintokifan22]

I don't know man, with Gohan being able to turn super again, kind of odd how he's acting like this his doing and GT wasn't canon when that happened in GT too. You'd think he'd just connect the too if he's going to keep that part that I disliked, meh.

I don't get why he's treating Gohan like this these days? I thought he was his favorite seeing as how he'd keep trying to replace Gooku with him :/

[Sixth]

I actually like the Golden Frieza. Never a big fan of bulky form such as Cooler and Broly.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Gintokifan22

I don't get why he's treating Gohan like this these days? I thought he was his favorite seeing as how he'd keep trying to replace Gooku with him :/

Piccolo's actually his favorite. He tried to replace Goku with Gohan because it was the logical story continuation. This is also why he brought in Uub at the end of Z.

Also, this just got announced as being licensed by Funimation.

[kenjiharima]

Days of Future past has time travel. DBZ BOG mentions universes which has a different approach in separating the universes in DB universe, instead of the western reboot every now and then, we get a multiverse...damn DBZ becoming a DC comic.

[ChainLegacy]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

Days of Future past has time travel. DBZ BOG mentions universes which has a different approach in separating the universes in DB universe, instead of the western reboot every now and then, we get a multiverse...damn DBZ becoming a DC comic.

It was never explained what the multiple universes means for the Dragonball canon. There's no evidence they are taking the Western comic book approach in which each interpretation is a new universe. We have no reason to think GT is one of those universes at this time.

[Saravis4]

I'd compare the canon thing to what Disney has done with the Star Wars EU. None of it is officially canon, but some of it may become officially canon in the future. So until official confirmation, GT isn't canon.

[LuckyCat]

Originally Posted by Saravis4

I'd compare the canon thing to what Disney has done with the Star Wars EU. None of it is officially canon, but some of it may become officially canon in the future. So until official confirmation, GT isn't canon.

Seeing as how every modern (post 2000) dragon ball animation production has gone out of its way to exclude/contradict GT material, I wouldn't bank on GT being bundled into the main story. The new movies, on the other hand, are supposed to be complementary to the manga (or at least what Toriyama remembers of the manga).

[GDB]

Even Xenoverse considers GT to be less canon than Broly, and we know he isn't canon.

[kenjiharima]

Originally Posted by ChainLegacy

It was never explained what the multiple universes means for the Dragonball canon. There's no evidence they are taking the Western comic book approach in which each interpretation is a new universe. We have no reason to think GT is one of those universes at this time.

Well if you base it on the game Dragonball heroes, it's pretty much a multiverse. Which mentions different DB characters on their respective series, also breaking the 4th wall SSJ3 Vegeta is only in the games lol

[Gundamx]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

Well if you base it on the game Dragonball heroes, it's pretty much a multiverse. Which mentions different DB characters on their respective series, also breaking the 4th wall SSJ3 Vegeta is only in the games lol

It even have adult Gotenks