2009-12-16, 00:09 | Link #21 |
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Hmm, kinda ironic, but Ace is getting a lot of character development here for a guy who's been unable to do anything for a great many chapters. I've felt for quite a while that after is arc is over, Ace is going to be a changed person in many ways. That feeling's definitely gotten stronger in this chapter.
Ah-ahh... Joz and Marco got distracted and got hurt because of it... I wonder they'll be some payback in that regard in the near future because of something Luffy does. Hmm, I just had this crazy idea: Luffy decides to literally launch himself to Ace's platform at high speed... and uses Sengoku as a break Since Luffy's rubber, crazy tactics like that should work. Would be funny to see Luffy do that and free Ace within a few pages (he has the keys to the cuffs right?), and then see Ace and Luffy fight their way out together. Don't think it's going to happen, but was amusing to visualise.
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I think the luffy hasn't been able to control haki is probably mostly a function of his own strength and just literally not knowing how to yet. Its hard for someone who is inferior in skill to project his ambition to someone whose inferior. Hence why haki doesn't make strong people faint in the manga. Based on this I really don't think even if he had haki in this battle it would turn the tides or anything (which is why we probably haven't seen it). I really don't think luffy has learned to project his ambition at will.
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2009-12-16, 04:44 | Link #24 |
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The old, you don't look away during a battle really did Marco and Jozu in. And here I thougth WB's injury would at least take a little more time to kick in but it's already majorly affecting him. Guess a good old stab to the heart is even for WB to much. And he seemed still so in shape spamming those quake blasts with his pole-arm.
And Luffy is great as always, he's so damn convincing when he tells you straight how it is. Guess we're going to see what Luffy is really made of the next chapters. He just witnessed all these top tiers and he isn't flinching the slightest and still convinced he can turn the tide and save Ace. That's just what you got to love about Luffy. And got to love how the WB pirates suddenly got their back against the wall seeming to be near annihilation again with their top 3 taking all severe blows yet they'll be bouncing back and probably tipping the scale back in their favor the next chapters. Got to love the suspense Oda is creating, this is probably the third time or fourth time I'm' wondering this arc how they can get out this shit and every time it seems a more desperate situation. And Garp and Sengoku still have to seriously fight, that's if Garp remains stubborn but I'm really hoping Luffy to do something about his gramps.
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2009-12-16, 10:16 | Link #25 | |
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WB got stabbed in the stomach, not the heart.
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Details... but yeah guess it was a little lower then the heart. Though beeing stabbed diagonally I always thougth he could've hit the heart.
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And not on the contrary, it's not cause Luffy has had his ass handed a few times that he sounds any less convincing while making his bold claims. He'll save his brother or die trying, whether he's to weak or not doesn't make any difference in him sounding convincing.
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2009-12-16, 13:54 | Link #31 | |
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And I don't consider the VAs the slightest as something that easely can trounce Luffy. We've never seen a VA do something spectacular and they've got a real double standard for them going. Some think they are superior to Lucci and could easely beat Luffy and they are people who think Luffy is superior to VAs and others like myself who think only a select few of the VAs have a chance against Luffy. And this war has only confirmed the last more then the first for me. VAs have been dismissed as easely bye Whitebeard as Luffy has been dismissed bye admirals. Even pencil pusher John Giant who so many held in a high esteem. And Luffy beeing double teamed while running out of steem in the previous chapter doesn't make me think otherwise either. Like I've seen someone pointing out somewhere, Kaku and Jyabura together could've pulled that of to at that point.
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2009-12-16, 15:48 | Link #32 |
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I'm hoping for a Garp v Luffy scenario for next chapter, it seems that even garp wants ace to live, not just for wanting ace to live but to want ace to want to live himself, because in the end if the person your trying to save doesn't want to be saved you can't do anything about that, in the end it requires at least two people to save one person.
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I'm starting to feel that this fight is dragging on. Yea, there are developments every chapter that make it enjoyable. Yea, it's a lot better than that 1v1 bs Bleach is doing. Yea, I love the fact that it looks like a real battle between two forces that want to completely destroy each other as opposed to a practice battle for some middle school kendo club. But, in these past few months (I really don't want to think about how long this battle has been going on) we've yet to see anyone really fall or be taken out of the action. That makes it seem like the battle is dragging. According to the story they've been fighting for a few hours, and yet no one major has gone down. Yea, it'd actually look bad for anyone to be down (sup Luffy) already since it's primarily been a battle royale with people trading hits with whoever is closest, but still . . . having someone go down, or a fight actually start and finish inside a chapter would be nice. |
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If we've learned anything about this war, it's that combatants are constantly facing off against new challengers. There have been no dragged out one on one fights, so there is a chance a warlord may obstruct Luffy again.
That's just too bad. Luffy has been getting plenty of free rides, so it's time that he gets put in his place and sits out the rest of the battles. If it weren't for Ivankov's hormones, he wouldn't be participating right now. He's lucky to even be present at this war. And now that he's gotten another hormone injection from Ivankov, I'm expecting much worse severe side effects after they wear off.
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^Free rides? Being saved from death does not constitute a "free ride". Luffy has paid his price of admission and participation with several pounds of flesh (or at least liters of blood), so there is nothing free about any of this. And your emphasizing that Luffy entered the battle half-dead (well, half-alive at any rate), doesn't exactly help your point (Luffy half-alive has done more than the majority of NW Captains and Whitebeard's commanders). Additionally, he, unlike almost all of the Whitebeard troops, has actually gotten closer to touching Ace than anyone else (right now, if you were to rank who was closest to actually getting to Ace (with the hope of saving him), it would be Luffy, then Marco, then Oars, with Whitebeard trailing them by a mile).
So, it's not like Luffy hasn't been doing anything, and hasn't striven to accomplish something. Also, since he already has a built in 'ace-in-the-hole' (pun intended) that will instantly place him on level with the Top Dogs (or somewhere thereabouts), there is no reason for Luffy to sit out a fight. |
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It's still too early for Luffy to be on the same level as the top tiers. He has a long while to go before that happens.
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Speaking of warlords, what actually happened to the real Kuma? Has Iva bdsmed him somewhere safe like he did to Sadi-chan?
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Luffy has just as much right to be in this battle as Whitebeard or his crew, and as long as he breaths he will continue to fight. Luffy fighting his very body in order to save his brother is supposed to be inspiring (("Do it with a Don!"), not a scene were you just want Luffy to go to sleep . I didn't mean that he would always be on the same level after he uses his 'ace-in-the-hole', but rather for a short time he would be on a similar level (think of it like the Star Power-Up from Mario - Invincible...for about 20 seconds). |
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2009-12-16, 17:33 | Link #39 | |
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So what if luffy has help. Luffy lost ten years of his life in ID trying to get to ace. This is a war with the pirates helping out each other . None of what anybody is doing would have happen with out help from some one else, to single out luffy is stupid. Who cares if iva heal him or not . Hell oars would have die if not from luffy jumping over and getting the admirals attention and WB plan would have not happen. WB is only getting closer to ace thanks to the help of his crew. I mean even when those VA's beat luffy he was not even in gear 2 and just rushing forward trying to get to ace and even then oda had a admiral finish him off. Luffy don't have to be high tier to save ace he just has to get to ace to give him his key while WB and his allies hold back the top tiers. |
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