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We're only ep. 6 so someone has to be doing responsible for this.
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2018-08-12, 17:06 | Link #122 |
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We still don't even have an answer on where those vials came from (were they a part of the dragon dude?), nor where dragon dude actually came from, nor even what it means to be a "psychic". The old guy also said that dragon dude was a different person before he obtained power. I wonder if that means there was a manipulater involved somewhere as well. Still a lot questions left to answer.
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2018-08-12, 17:44 | Link #123 |
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I think the reason Takashi died is that he wasn't using a bottle, but his own powers and life force as the reincarnation of the Dragon. After he used it all up, he crumbled away.
And the dragon bottles were apparently given to the Earthlings by the sealing faction, because they wanted a "fair fight". Or more like, an excuse to seal them.
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2018-08-13, 05:17 | Link #125 | |
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But that's interesting. Everything is resolved in the first half of the anime. Don't have any clue to what the rest of it will be. |
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2018-08-13, 05:28 | Link #126 |
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I don't think anything is resolved at all, really. The Sealing Faction still wants to lobotomize the human race and now Sensei, Souya and Ginko are the only ones standing in their way.
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2018-08-13, 06:39 | Link #127 |
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Plus clearly the Dragon isn't gone for good.
I don't really see how it's hypocritical. Judging from Takashi's behavior, humanity clearly isn't meant to have that kind of power. They also went to great lengths to stop one of their own from abusing their power. So to say "taking a knife from a child" is hypocritical just seems.. off. The only problem I see is the assumption that humanity's growth needs to be stunted, but the pacifist faction does not agree with this notion in the first place. |
2018-08-13, 07:06 | Link #128 |
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Oh, I see plenty of hypocrisy in it. It's no coincidence that Takashi used the word "colony" because I think Mizumaki is clearly making allusions to a sort of manifest destiny mentality among the Sealing Faction here. It's just that whatever flaws there are in the Sealing Faction's perspective, they don't redeem or justify that of the Dragon. And therein lies the dilemma.
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2018-08-13, 09:32 | Link #129 | ||
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He just went KILL THEM ALL before they become trouble. So yeah, Earthlings are still on Nebula's shit list. As of right now we have two choices. Throw away our civilization and become CIVILIZED or be turned into people who will never be a problem. Quote:
Either way we'll kinda stop being humans. Additionally, probably the only reason MC was able to defeat a reincarnation of the dragon was because he was from a warlike race. We see one of the best psychics of the Sealing faction piloting their leader and getting constantly trashed. Meanwhile this relatively random Sirian is able to match him. This might be treated as proof of how dangerously warlike Sirians and Terrans might be.
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2018-08-13, 10:29 | Link #131 | |
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I think we're crossing signals here. The hypocrisy I see is with the Sealing Faction, not the Pacifist Faction. And it was the Sealing Faction's representative who made the "take a gun from a child" comment. As for hypocrisy in the Pacifist Faction... I would say too early to tell. Some of the things we've seen in the way Sensei and Ginko deal with Souya might be seen as hypocritical, but more information could influence whether that's true or not.
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2018-08-13, 12:12 | Link #133 | |
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About this particular point though, it should be noted that Sensei, who is also a leader, was using doping and that Soya was piloting with Ginko's help. So not sure that was supposed to prove anything.
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2018-08-13, 13:14 | Link #134 | |
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And actually, while it looks on the surface like it was the latter, I'm still not certain. They didn't really say what this power is. All we know is that the Dragon was part of Nebula, the Dragon had this power which has an unknown source but is accessible to multiple individuals among Nebula, and using this power under the influence of the negative form of "evolution" can result in said power taking on a form reminiscent of the Dragon. Could still be that the power comes from the Dragon's species or something. Or that it comes from the end result of this "evolution of power" which, despite their claims of danger, some races appear to have (I cannot believe there is no "power" or violence in the Dragon or their general military force). I'd say that the leader was kind of right about Nebula being arrogant and maybe a bit hypocritical, since they seem quite willing to use the very kind of power they want to suppress. Also, one thing kind of confuses me. Initially, I thought it was setting up that the Dragon power the people were using was the "evolution of power" that they were trying to suppress, or at least that it was the trigger. There'd have to be some sort of trigger that led them to decide it was time to shut them down. I wonder whether they were given this stuff to indeed create an excuse to shut things down before they got any worse. Either that or the Dragon actually did reincarnate or perhaps just possess Takashi (thus the sudden change) and push some manner of development that immediately alerted Nebula. And if that's the case I can't imagine the Dragon is satisfied. The way Takashi viewed the Sealers feels like the Dragon inside harbors a lot of hate and resentment toward the people that killed it, and its incarnation/host being killed doesn't seem likely to appease that anger. Last edited by BWTraveller; 2018-08-13 at 13:26. |
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I think "evolution of power" just means humans become stronger and violent, whereas "evolution of love" just means humans become stronger... in other ways? |
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2018-08-14, 11:08 | Link #136 |
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With's director, Suzuki Youhei, confirmed by Twitter that there will be "wild" developments for Eps 7-9. "…there will be tears. Please watch.”
https://twitter.com/YooheySuzuki/sta...61374350647296 I assume this means this is only Part 1 of the story, the introduction. That and following what Enzo says about Mizukami, it's how he plays with expectations and cliches. |
2018-08-14, 11:21 | Link #137 | |
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That said, Ockham's razor would still suggest that they came from one source, as a single source that was then stolen or deliberately spread to another location requires fewer assumptions than if you have to assume multiple entities coincidentally discovered the same power and use it in basically the same way. This isn't to say it can't happen, but generally dissemination of an idea is more common and likely than said idea being redeveloped repeatedly. Even if you have multiple discoveries, most nations are using technology that someone else developed. |
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2018-08-14, 12:52 | Link #139 |
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Humanity hasn't destroyed a planet YET, simply because we still haven't discovered means to do so. Then again even with out paltry means we are on the road IRL to fucking up Earth royally.
It's an issue of scale, someone might be pissed off by excesses of one group's worst members and go on a crusade and might be lauded for it. In this case the dragon was incensed at what worst of Sirians were doing and what they might do on larger scale and went on a rampage.
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