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hokagenaruto3 · 2004-08-27, 12:50

I think the reason behind the sharingan user having to kill his friend to obtain the special Dojutsu is that you get an intense pain inside your mind that makes you go crazy and you get all 'wounded' in your mind. You have to witness the pain before you can give it to another. A dead best friend is like the most painfull thing you can feel.
What do you guys think?

Kyoji · 2004-08-27, 12:54

when the anime only people read this, they're going to want to eat your toes

Verrik · 2004-08-27, 12:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by hokagenaruto3

I think the reason behind the sharingan user having to kill his friend to obtain the special Dojutsu is that you get an intense pain inside your mind that makes you go crazy and you get all 'wounded' in your mind. You have to witness the pain before you can give it to another. A dead best friend is like the most painfull thing you can feel.
What do you guys think?

I think this post is one big spoiler...

Edit - [Manga] Was added to the title.

Animizzle · 2004-08-27, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Verrik

I think this post is one big spoiler...

he clearly states in the topic name that is't about [MANGA], stop bitching and start reading...

On topic:
To kill your best friend is to have some serious guts.
At the moment of killing him you already made the decision of killing him, so what's worse? the thought or the act? What pushes it trough?
I would't know, I don't think it has an actual explanation it's just this way because it a interesting thing story-wise

Mika · 2004-08-27, 13:20

I think its just the pain of killing someone you are close to and care for....but itachi didnt stop at killing his best friend....he did the whole damn clan. I wonder if he did it to get as strong as possible ( i know he said he did it to test himself) I am hoping he did it for a twisted good reason...like someone wanted the secret of sharingan ( or all the blood limits) and he took the option away...I dont know besides I am off topic

Ketsueki · 2004-08-27, 13:27

I think killing your best friend just for power will just make something switch in your brain, maybe cause one not to feel the pain of killing someone and not caring about the value of life anymore. Maybe that's what the Mangekyo (can never remember how to spell that damn word) requirements are, new level of evil or something.

Mika · 2004-08-27, 13:35

yeah that could be the case. maybe you have to send yourself to your own personal hell and experience it before you can do it to others

Kyoji · 2004-08-27, 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Animizzle

he clearly states in the topic name that is't about [MANGA], stop bitching and start reading...

On topic:
To kill your best friend is to have some serious guts.
At the moment of killing him you already made the decision of killing him, so what's worse? the thought or the act? What pushes it trough?
I would't know, I don't think it has an actual explanation it's just this way because it a interesting thing story-wise

you need to calm down, the topic name was something totally different before

Animizzle · 2004-08-27, 13:48

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Originally Posted by Kyoji

you need to calm down, the topic name was something totally different before

is that so? well i didn't notice obviously for i wasn't there, sorry bout that

hokagenaruto3 · 2004-08-27, 15:46

IM AM SOOOO SORYY!!!!
Indeed it had a different name, but luckily someone decided to change it.
I just thought something up without thinking, i apoligize.

Anyways, Itachi already had the Mangekyou after he killed that Uchiha guy, since he glared at his father with it. Killing his clan wasn't for the Dojutsu, but for his own ambitions. he just killed that 1 guy, who he himself described as a brother to him.

I'm sure btw that an average uchiha officer kills at least 3 guys a month. it has 2 be someone special.

VMLM3 · 2004-08-27, 15:50

I think you're all focusing too much on the pain. It can't be the pain alone that triggers the mangekyou, if that where so Sasuke would've had his mangekyou a long time ago. Rather than imagining how you would feel after killing your best friend, imagine what you would feel before doing it. Could you do it? Could you force yourself to do it of your own free will? Could you could control your will to kill to such an extent that you would kill anyone, no matter how close to you? That has to horribly mess with your mind. That lack of sensitivity, the fact that you can alienate yourself from your loved ones willingly, that you are willing to use your power to it's greatest extent no matter what, must be a part of what grants the Uchiha the mangekyou sharingan

hokagenaruto3 · 2004-08-27, 16:22

wow man...
that's deep...
i admire you man, you're like the Pretender (I don't know if you follow the show)

Verrik · 2004-08-27, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Animizzle

is that so? well i didn't notice obviously for i wasn't there, sorry bout that

Apology accepted... that was harsh.

Retsoor · 2004-08-29, 13:11

Is Itachi even telling the truth? Unlocking a special Sharingan ability by severe psychological pain (not every person is the same) isn't that farfetched, but it isn't the most plausible answer either. It'd be better if Itachi lied to Sasuke, it would fit perfectly with his sick (read: great) bastard personality. After all, Sasuke lacked hatred, and this would surely fuel it a lot.

riftwing · 2004-08-29, 20:59

Maybe it will be explained if they explain what the "true purpose" of the doujitsu is. Itachi said the true purpose was in that secret meeting place under the tatami mat. It's shown Sasuke go there twice in the series but it never explained what it was about. At the momment the whole kill your closest friend for mangekyou sharingan seems like a lame writing technique just to get Naruto and Sasuke to fight.

devilpim · 2004-08-29, 21:09

shouldn't there be another way to obtain mangekyou sharingan?

I still wonder why "your closest friend"
How about "someone you truely love" or "your precious one" ?
i.e. If Itashi has a girlfriend whom he loved so much and kill her, would he get mangekyou sharingan? How about killing your own parents?

I was thinking that the shock of killing your precious one is the one that turn on the mangekyou sharingan. After you killed your best friend, I wouldn't call that state of mind "human" anymore.

Ori · 2004-08-29, 23:05

You know, I have a feeling one can probably get mangekyou sharingan without killing your closest friend becuase I think the whole gaining of mangekyou sharingan has something to do with extreme passions. If the reason why you can get mangekyou sharingan by killing your closest friend is becuase you passionately hate yourself, then perhaps you can get mangekyou sharingan by the opposite extreme - if you go and save your closest friend (or a brother) because you passionately love that person.

It makes sense, considering the main themes of Naruto, especially when you remember how Sasuke got his Sharigan in the first place.

devilpim · 2004-08-29, 23:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ori

You know, I have a feeling one can probably get mangekyou sharingan without killing your closest friend becuase I think the whole gaining of mangekyou sharingan has something to do with extreme passions. If the reason why you can get mangekyou sharingan by killing your closest friend is becuase you passionately hate yourself, then perhaps you can get mangekyou sharingan by the opposite extreme - if you go and save your closest friend (or a brother) because you passionately love that person.

It makes sense, considering the main themes of Naruto, especially when you remember how Sasuke got his Sharigan in the first place.

I agree! I have the same thought!
And I really hope that is how the story is going to be...T_T

bring back my Sasuke.

ace firefist · 2004-08-30, 00:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilpim

shouldn't there be another way to obtain mangekyou sharingan?

I still wonder why "your closest friend"
How about "someone you truely love" or "your precious one" ?
i.e. If Itashi has a girlfriend whom he loved so much and kill her, would he get mangekyou sharingan? How about killing your own parents?

I was thinking that the shock of killing your precious one is the one that turn on the mangekyou sharingan. After you killed your best friend, I wouldn't call that state of mind "human" anymore.

I think that ther maybe another way to attain "it" and itachi took the quick way or something.Also killing a friend will change your state of mind and help get rid of your emotions.

*notices fanboy/girl above types in caution*

JubeiYamazaki · 2004-08-30, 01:07

My friend totally hates how you achieve the Mangekyou he think its stupid as hell, since the only way to achieve is to kill your best friend, it has a "magical" feel to it. Like the katon no jitsu, rasengen, basically all the other jitsus you need to train, and follow a logical path within its only universe as to how/why jitsus are the way they are, even summoning requires a blood oath, somekind of real world explaination for their action. Mangekyou is like

Itachi: "Just kill your best friend and you have it."
My friend: "WTF that's it?"

As for me, I agree with hokagenaruto, in order to go beyond the limitations of your own power, you need to feel the full extent of it.

2004-08-27, 12:50	Link #1
hokagenaruto3 Crescent & Star Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Amsterdam Age: 37	Mangekyo Sharingan Reasoning [Manga] I think the reason behind the sharingan user having to kill his friend to obtain the special Dojutsu is that you get an intense pain inside your mind that makes you go crazy and you get all 'wounded' in your mind. You have to witness the pain before you can give it to another. A dead best friend is like the most painfull thing you can feel. What do you guys think?

2004-08-27, 15:50	Link #11
VMLM3 I had a good idea once... Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 38	I think you're all focusing too much on the pain. It can't be the pain alone that triggers the mangekyou, if that where so Sasuke would've had his mangekyou a long time ago. Rather than imagining how you would feel after killing your best friend, imagine what you would feel before doing it. Could you do it? Could you force yourself to do it of your own free will? Could you could control your will to kill to such an extent that you would kill anyone, no matter how close to you? That has to horribly mess with your mind. That lack of sensitivity, the fact that you can alienate yourself from your loved ones willingly, that you are willing to use your power to it's greatest extent no matter what, must be a part of what grants the Uchiha the mangekyou sharingan Last edited by VMLM3; 2004-08-27 at 18:12.

2004-08-27, 12:54	Link #2
Kyoji I WANT MORE MILK! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Leeds, UK Age: 38	when the anime only people read this, they're going to want to eat your toes

2004-08-27, 13:20	Link #5
Mika Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Canada Age: 46	I think its just the pain of killing someone you are close to and care for....but itachi didnt stop at killing his best friend....he did the whole damn clan. I wonder if he did it to get as strong as possible ( i know he said he did it to test himself) I am hoping he did it for a twisted good reason...like someone wanted the secret of sharingan ( or all the blood limits) and he took the option away...I dont know besides I am off topic

2004-08-27, 13:27	Link #6
Ketsueki Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London, England Age: 38	I think killing your best friend just for power will just make something switch in your brain, maybe cause one not to feel the pain of killing someone and not caring about the value of life anymore. Maybe that's what the Mangekyo (can never remember how to spell that damn word) requirements are, new level of evil or something.

2004-08-27, 13:35	Link #7
Mika Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Canada Age: 46	yeah that could be the case. maybe you have to send yourself to your own personal hell and experience it before you can do it to others

2004-08-27, 15:46	Link #10
hokagenaruto3 Crescent & Star Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Amsterdam Age: 37	IM AM SOOOO SORYY!!!! Indeed it had a different name, but luckily someone decided to change it. I just thought something up without thinking, i apoligize. Anyways, Itachi already had the Mangekyou after he killed that Uchiha guy, since he glared at his father with it. Killing his clan wasn't for the Dojutsu, but for his own ambitions. he just killed that 1 guy, who he himself described as a brother to him. I'm sure btw that an average uchiha officer kills at least 3 guys a month. it has 2 be someone special.

2004-08-27, 16:22	Link #12
hokagenaruto3 Crescent & Star Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Amsterdam Age: 37	wow man... that's deep... i admire you man, you're like the Pretender (I don't know if you follow the show)

2004-08-29, 13:11	Link #14
Retsoor Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004	Is Itachi even telling the truth? Unlocking a special Sharingan ability by severe psychological pain (not every person is the same) isn't that farfetched, but it isn't the most plausible answer either. It'd be better if Itachi lied to Sasuke, it would fit perfectly with his sick (read: great) bastard personality. After all, Sasuke lacked hatred, and this would surely fuel it a lot.

2004-08-29, 20:59	Link #15
riftwing Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004	Maybe it will be explained if they explain what the "true purpose" of the doujitsu is. Itachi said the true purpose was in that secret meeting place under the tatami mat. It's shown Sasuke go there twice in the series but it never explained what it was about. At the momment the whole kill your closest friend for mangekyou sharingan seems like a lame writing technique just to get Naruto and Sasuke to fight.

2004-08-29, 21:09	Link #16
devilpim Galvanic Alchemist Join Date: Aug 2004	shouldn't there be another way to obtain mangekyou sharingan? I still wonder why "your closest friend" How about "someone you truely love" or "your precious one" ? i.e. If Itashi has a girlfriend whom he loved so much and kill her, would he get mangekyou sharingan? How about killing your own parents? I was thinking that the shock of killing your precious one is the one that turn on the mangekyou sharingan. After you killed your best friend, I wouldn't call that state of mind "human" anymore.

2004-08-29, 23:05	Link #17
Ori Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003	You know, I have a feeling one can probably get mangekyou sharingan without killing your closest friend becuase I think the whole gaining of mangekyou sharingan has something to do with extreme passions. If the reason why you can get mangekyou sharingan by killing your closest friend is becuase you passionately hate yourself, then perhaps you can get mangekyou sharingan by the opposite extreme - if you go and save your closest friend (or a brother) because you passionately love that person. It makes sense, considering the main themes of Naruto, especially when you remember how Sasuke got his Sharigan in the first place.

2004-08-30, 01:07	Link #20
JubeiYamazaki Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003	My friend totally hates how you achieve the Mangekyou he think its stupid as hell, since the only way to achieve is to kill your best friend, it has a "magical" feel to it. Like the katon no jitsu, rasengen, basically all the other jitsus you need to train, and follow a logical path within its only universe as to how/why jitsus are the way they are, even summoning requires a blood oath, somekind of real world explaination for their action. Mangekyou is like Itachi: "Just kill your best friend and you have it." My friend: "WTF that's it?" As for me, I agree with hokagenaruto, in order to go beyond the limitations of your own power, you need to feel the full extent of it.