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Alhazad2003 · 2015-10-11, 19:31

And yet there was apparently only one Nova, which makes no sense considering how easily she was handling that Type S at the start of Freezing Zero. The facts simply don't add up, that's the problem I'm having with this whole thing about her death. And I hate it when plot points make no sense, really irks me.

Oh it definitely will, expect another round of character bashing in the next two weeks, guaranteed.

DragonOsman · 2015-10-11, 20:43

Either that one Nova was extremely powerful, then, or Kazuha herself was having complications of some sort. Could be either of those.

Alhazad2003 · 2015-10-13, 00:18

I'm guessing it was the latter, twenty miniature Legendary Stigmata? Yeah, that was too much for her to handle. So she did lose control and risked becoming a Nova herself, so she took the Type-S down with her. Okay, now I think it finally makes sense, at long last.

Spoiler:

DragonOsman · 2015-10-13, 22:41

Yeah, indeed, it does make more sense that way. I also agree what you said in that spoiler tag.

henshinagogobaby · 2015-10-16, 09:48

Freezing 194 translated came out:

Poor Ryuuichi. Driven by despair of losing his wife and having his life fall apart, as well as having his dad constantly telling him that "it's his fate" to lead all mankind when all the guy wanted was a normal life, he took a gun to his head.

Did he do what I think he just did to poor Cassandra?

ChuckE · 2015-10-16, 11:46

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Originally Posted by henshinagogobaby

Did he do what I think he just did to poor Cassandra?

He indeed had some fun with that perfect body

dualxfate · 2015-10-16, 12:13

Spoiler for chap 198:

DragonOsman · 2015-10-16, 23:49

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Originally Posted by dualxfate

Spoiler for chap 198:

Spoiler for Chapter 198 comment reply:

rladls2121 · 2015-10-17, 01:04

Too bad Ryuichi cannot live through it until the end.
As there might be some good and bad being the chosen one, he could not truly have what he actually wanted.
Fate, fate, and fate.

Ryuichi did not ask for this did he?
That's the one thing I strongly agree with.
I guess I'll just take advantage of what I have.

DragonOsman · 2015-10-17, 18:08

The point here is that he got ****ed when he tried to go against fate. I do feel sorry for the guy, of course, but it could also all have been avoided. Plus, he didn't really have to rape Cassandra and then shoot himself afterwards. Moreover, the guy actually shot himself right in front of his daughter, who at the time was a kid. That's not right.

Endscape · 2015-10-17, 20:13

Ryuuichi's life being ruined had nothing to do with fate.

His wife was mentally ill and he decided to ignore the problem and hope it went away instead of getting her some help.

If his destiny was to impregnate the Legendary Pandoras, all he had to do was supply some sperm and go back to his wife, no one told him he actually had to leave her.

Kurohane · 2015-10-17, 21:26

Gengo wasn't sounding like he just wanted a sperm donation.

Dart-Sama · 2015-10-18, 13:30

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Originally Posted by Kurohane

Gengo wasn't sounding like he just wanted a sperm donation.

agree, he said LEAD 'em

Alhazad2003 · 2015-10-18, 16:10

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Originally Posted by DragonOsman

The point here is that he got ****ed when he tried to go against fate. I do feel sorry for the guy, of course, but it could also all have been avoided. Plus, he didn't really have to rape Cassandra and then shoot himself afterwards. Moreover, the guy actually shot himself right in front of his daughter, who at the time was a kid. That's not right.

Definitely not, though at that point Ryuuichi had completely lost control. And unlike the Busters, who delight in causing misery and suffering, he was crushed after what he did to Cassandra. He simply wanted to die, realizing it was his fault that Orie died. As he said when he first met Cassandra, "everything was a mistake from the very beginning. My entire existence on this world... was a mistake." And that self-loathing was the very reason he took his own life.

And you're right, it could've been avoided. But Gengo expected Ryuuichi to learn the truth on his own, if he'd revealed it to him early on, and show him how it could be a boon rather than a bane, he might've actually come to help Gengo rather than oppose him, for he'd see his life indeed had value.

Thankfully Kazuya has no such issues, wonder of wonders, and has no desire for self-termination. How he handles all this, we'll just have to wait and see.

Kurohane · 2015-10-18, 18:32

The story has gotten to the point where very few things make sense anymore. You could call Ryouuichi and Orie's tragic backstory as a result of fate, in universe. However, meta-wise, it purposefully plays on the emotions of readers to draw them back in on a story that's gone stale.

germanturkey · 2015-10-18, 21:01

i mean, it did a good job at drawing on emotions. what a tragic arc.

~Yami~ · 2015-10-23, 04:06

this arc actually gives a very good conclusion

Spoiler for 195:

I can't bring myself to comment since I hate this tragic and twisted arc
but after seeing chapter 195, I finally can accept this development

Tachibana · 2015-10-23, 04:08

194 and 195 really reveals alot. Time for Kazuya to become the badass of the series.

foxbox360 · 2015-10-23, 04:41

Are you serious? It took him 194 chapters to be a badass.

Tachibana · 2015-10-23, 05:13

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Originally Posted by foxbox360

Are you serious? It took him 194 chapters to be a badass.

Bits and pieces of it were shown in the past but now we get to see it in the full.

2015-10-11, 20:43	Link #3402
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Either that one Nova was extremely powerful, then, or Kazuha herself was having complications of some sort. Could be either of those. __________________

2015-10-13, 00:18	Link #3403
Alhazad2003 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011	I'm guessing it was the latter, twenty miniature Legendary Stigmata? Yeah, that was too much for her to handle. So she did lose control and risked becoming a Nova herself, so she took the Type-S down with her. Okay, now I think it finally makes sense, at long last. Spoiler: And hopefully her last words will help Kazuya make peace with Gengo after four long years, I thought Maria was the only one who could get him to understand what Gengo's trying to achieve, but maybe Kazuha has done the job for her. How noble of her, even after death. Can't wait for the epic finale of the 13th Nova Clash, which should be wrapped up by New Years. Until then...

2015-10-13, 22:41	Link #3404
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Yeah, indeed, it does make more sense that way. I also agree what you said in that spoiler tag. __________________

2015-10-16, 09:48	Link #3405
henshinagogobaby Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015	Freezing 194 translated came out: Poor Ryuuichi. Driven by despair of losing his wife and having his life fall apart, as well as having his dad constantly telling him that "it's his fate" to lead all mankind when all the guy wanted was a normal life, he took a gun to his head. Did he do what I think he just did to poor Cassandra? __________________ If fighting could provide us with the truth, nobody would make any mistakes in their lives. A person's life is not that easy. The truth you must learn from yourself, from how you live your life. Anyone can die. It's living that requires courage. You will not touch these innocent people with even one inch of your dirty blades, if you require an opponent, I will fight you. If you wanna taste the ground, feel free to attack me. -Rurouni Kenshin

2015-10-16, 12:13	Link #3407
dualxfate 気になる？ Join Date: Aug 2014	Spoiler for chap 198: last page, the girl inside project arcadia 01, seems to have felt kazuya's freezing.. then called him brother... could she the cassandra's daughter from that time one time? argh..im having mix feeling about this. i hate things like this when it happens... :\| __________________ ええーーー。。。

2015-10-11, 19:31	Link #3401
Alhazad2003 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011	And yet there was apparently only one Nova, which makes no sense considering how easily she was handling that Type S at the start of Freezing Zero. The facts simply don't add up, that's the problem I'm having with this whole thing about her death. And I hate it when plot points make no sense, really irks me. Oh it definitely will, expect another round of character bashing in the next two weeks, guaranteed.

2015-10-17, 01:04	Link #3409
rladls2121 Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: California(Current).	Too bad Ryuichi cannot live through it until the end. As there might be some good and bad being the chosen one, he could not truly have what he actually wanted. Fate, fate, and fate. Ryuichi did not ask for this did he? That's the one thing I strongly agree with. I guess I'll just take advantage of what I have.

2015-10-17, 18:08	Link #3410
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	The point here is that he got ****ed when he tried to go against fate. I do feel sorry for the guy, of course, but it could also all have been avoided. Plus, he didn't really have to rape Cassandra and then shoot himself afterwards. Moreover, the guy actually shot himself right in front of his daughter, who at the time was a kid. That's not right. __________________

2015-10-17, 20:13	Link #3411
Endscape The Mage of Four Hearts Author Join Date: Mar 2010 Age: 33	Ryuuichi's life being ruined had nothing to do with fate. His wife was mentally ill and he decided to ignore the problem and hope it went away instead of getting her some help. If his destiny was to impregnate the Legendary Pandoras, all he had to do was supply some sperm and go back to his wife, no one told him he actually had to leave her. __________________ Illusion, illusion, this is illusion. It cannot harm me.

2015-10-17, 21:26	Link #3412
Kurohane Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012	Gengo wasn't sounding like he just wanted a sperm donation. __________________

2015-10-18, 18:32	Link #3415
Kurohane Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012	The story has gotten to the point where very few things make sense anymore. You could call Ryouuichi and Orie's tragic backstory as a result of fate, in universe. However, meta-wise, it purposefully plays on the emotions of readers to draw them back in on a story that's gone stale. __________________

2015-10-18, 21:01	Link #3416
germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	i mean, it did a good job at drawing on emotions. what a tragic arc. __________________ Aria is the best series EVER. Rewatch Origination with me. Blessed are those who listen to headphones, for they listen to the sound of heaven.

2015-10-23, 04:06	Link #3417
~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	this arc actually gives a very good conclusion Spoiler for 195: The point when Kazuha finally understood everything and acknowledge her mom and dad and the point when Kazuya decided to take different path from his dad There is no hatred left... Everything ended up well and Kazuya finally become main character of this series I can't bring myself to comment since I hate this tragic and twisted arc but after seeing chapter 195, I finally can accept this development

2015-10-23, 04:08	Link #3418
Tachibana タチバナ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Noctis Labyrinthus Age: 33	194 and 195 really reveals alot. Time for Kazuya to become the badass of the series. __________________

2015-10-23, 04:41	Link #3419
foxbox360 New Age Badass Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Charlotte, NC	Are you serious? It took him 194 chapters to be a badass. __________________ Mecha need to evolve!!!!!