Tales of the Abyss generic anime discussion

[Jeffry2009]

WOW. it's good to be on the NEW thread now.

[kujoe]

Originally Posted by Majek

Spoiler for Ion:

This just proves that Luke's environment created him as he is.

Yes, and that's my point all this time. Maturity for a replica is not necessarily proportionate to actual age. You can't exactly ascribe human maturity standards to a replica because their case can be extreme.

So yes, Luke is indeed seven but that's no excuse, nor is it a valid reason for the circumstances involved. The reason is due to his upbringing and the way people have treated him all at the same time.

[I M Evil]

so sorry !

[Daniel E.]

To be perfectly honest, I wasn't expecting this show to get it's own sub-forum anytime soon.

Glad to see I was mistaken!

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by kujoe

No, even beyond that. His maturity cannot completely be compared to a seven year old due to the nature of his (soon to be) experiences themselves. The fall of Akzeriuth is his chance to become a young man in the eyes of others.

Since you mentioned a spoiler, I might as well say what I really wanted to say.

Spoiler for Ion, future episodes:

Ion is only around 2 years old, even younger than Luke. And already, he's the leader of a religious following. He may be 2 years old, but he has matured and gained the experience of one beyond his age.

I'll answer the Ion thing in your profile, I just gave a really vague sentence so unless you have played the game you would not know what I was talking about.

rest of the post I'll answer below.

Originally Posted by kujoe

Yes, and that's my point all this time. Maturity for a replica is not necessarily proportionate to actual age. You can't exactly ascribe human maturity standards to a replica because their case can be extreme.

So yes, Luke is indeed seven but that's no excuse, nor is it a valid reason for the circumstances involved. The reason is due to his upbringing and the way people have treated him all at the same time.

Okay I am not sure if you are getting what I am saying, my point is that maturity is proportionate to age as well as live experiences gained from that time. The experiences can accelerate or decelerate one's maturity based on the experiences involved. You can ascribe human maturity standards to a replica if they were not treated as such, which was one of your own points, that Luke should be more mature because he was treated as someone beyond his actual age. But the difference is that during that time they were essentually coddling him, sheltering and denying the experiences to gain that maturity that they expect from him. Which is the result you see in Luke.

And also I am in noway using that as a reason to validate what he has done, but to use that to understand why he is what he is.

[kujoe]

Originally Posted by demon_god04

Okay I am not sure if you are getting what I am saying, my point is that maturity is proportionate to age as well as live experiences gained from that time.

No, I understand that as that's where I disagree.

Originally Posted by demon_god04

The experiences can accelerate or decelerate one's maturity based on the experiences involved. You can ascribe human maturity standards to a replica if they were not treated as such, which was one of your own points, that Luke should be more mature because he was treated as someone beyond his actual age.

Like I said in my profile, that's somewhat contradicting. And no, my point is that they didn't bring him up properly, and part of the reason for Luke's behavior is due to his environment.

You demonstrated my point further when you said:

Originally Posted by demon_god04

But the difference is that during that time they were essentually coddling him, sheltering and denying the experiences to gain that maturity that they expect from him. Which is the result you see in Luke.

Uh... yeah. Perhaps we should take this a more private setting as we're clogging up the generic thread here. Just putting this here just in case you missed my reply over there.

[SuperKnuckles]

Cutting hair to renew determination? What is Luke, a girl?

[Onibur]

What is that symbol on luke's back?

[Nabiki Asakura]

Originally Posted by SuperKnuckles

Cutting hair to renew determination? What is Luke, a girl?

AAHHAHAHAHA, EXACTLY!


no i'm waiting episode 10, where the rest of the group will say the same ~probably?~

[Manji Midou]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

Wow...this like like a dream come true

I seriously didn't expect it myself but it's a good thing that has happened ^^'
I better hurry up with the entry :/

Spoiler:

Poor Asch ;_____;

no need to feel pity for him, he is a douche throughout the whole story.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by Daniel E.

To be perfectly honest, I wasn't expecting this show to get it's own sub-forum anytime soon.

Glad to see I was mistaken!

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

Wow...this like like a dream come true

I seriously didn't expect it myself but it's a good thing that has happened ^^'
I better hurry up with the entry :/

Spoiler:

Poor Asch ;_____;

Deathkillz, you told me to keep hoping for a sub forum some times ago ! You Were right XD

I'm happy that we got a sub forum. Thanks to the admins and mods !

[xellos2099]

I know Luke can get annoying but it is not truly his fault that Azeriuth is destroyed. but according to the Score

Spoiler for Series:

Asch/Luke are suppose to destroy and die in Azeriuth, King know this, Luke's father know this and certainly Van know this as well.

Not to mention Van created the password that would unleash Luke full power hyper resonance whether he want to or not.

[frubam]

Van was like a father in Luke's eyes, and with most of the cast looking down upon him for his behavior(and i don't blame them), it was obvious he is gonna do what Van tells him, because he was kind to him and, to Luke, understood him. I will say, Ion had no business opening the Daathic seals in the first place since they housed some kind of important secrets, otherwise, it wouldn't have that special seal in the first place.

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by frubam

Van was like a father in Luke's eyes, and with most of the cast looking down upon him for his behavior(and i don't blame them), it was obvious he is gonna do what Van tells him, because he was kind to him and, to Luke, understood him. I will say, Ion had no business opening the Daathic seals in the first place since they housed some kind of important secrets, otherwise, it wouldn't have that special seal in the first place.

It was mentioned that the Sephiroths were very hard to impossible to damage through normal means they have to their disposal and that the controls themselves were locked so even if Ion opened them from a normal viewpoint Van could not do anything. And if Van really wanted to get in, he could have had Luke do a hyper resonance to destroy the seal. Not saying that Ion was right to trust Luke and Van but he was taken in by Luke's trust in Van and that they had a way to stop the miasma.

[kujoe]

Does Ion even know Van's affiliations at that point? The God-Generals are the ones who have brought Ion to all those seals, not Van, and for the rest of that time Luke and co. have been trying to avoid or fight them.

Even if those seals cannot be easily destroyed, as Fonmaster he should've realized that something must be up, or something is fishy for the seals to be involved. Most likely, he has read the Score a few times already for that matter. Even Ion casts blame on himself, but the difference is he takes it well unlike Luke who is too shocked at the betrayal and refuses to accept the truth of the matter.

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by kujoe

Does Ion even know Van's affiliations at that point? The God-Generals are the ones who have brought Ion to all those seals, not Van, and for the rest of that time Luke and co. have been trying to avoid or fight them.

Even if those seals cannot be easily destroyed, as Fonmaster he should've realized that something must be up, or something is fishy for the seals to be involved. Most likely, he has read the Score a few times already for that matter. Even Ion casts blame on himself, but the difference is he takes it well unlike Luke who is too shocked at the betrayal and refuses to accept the truth of the matter.

That's the thing, Ion did not have cause to suspect Van's intentions. Plus Luke also couched for Van saying that they were going to neutralize the miasma.

As for Ion, yes he should've realised something but remember his circumstances. Lengthier reply in the spoilers thread.

[kujoe]

Originally Posted by demon_god04

That's the thing, Ion did not have cause to suspect Van's intentions. Plus Luke also couched for Van saying that they were going to neutralize the miasma.

Well, maybe not concerning Van per se since he doesn't know of his schemes after all, but to be brought around by the God-Generals to all these seals should've at least raised some alarm bells in his head. Just because they couldn't harm them doesn't mean that they want those seals broken for no reason at all.

Ion probably suspects something, but by then it's already too late.

[Saki_chan]

Originally Posted by onibur23

What is that symbol on luke's back?

I've been trying to figure that out for ages. I think it's just some random little design, but I could be wrong.

And Re: the Ion and Van thing, I have to say I think he was a bit too trusting. As somebody else pointed out, the seals were put there for a reason, and Van's subordinates had been trying to get him to do the same thing already. Granted, Asch had been briefly seen attacking Van, so maybe Ion took that as an indication that his intentions were different from his subordinates, but it was still stupid to just open the thing with nothing but dumbass Luke's word on it.

(Sorry, can you tell I'm working off of game canon here? I haven't seen all of the anime yet. )

[Nabiki Asakura]

I'm noticing something weird...
Seriously that no one noticed when the original Asch with dark red hair changed to light red hair and 7 years lattler his hair adquired a golden coloration too? And so the boy with the same face and the correct hair appear in the door and the guards just say "get out"!
i'm still thinking about why, in chibi Asch's sad scene, he didn't jumps and said "MOM, IT'S ME, YAY!"

[yolin.shana]

Originally Posted by Nabiki Asakura

I'm noticing something weird...
Seriously that no one noticed when the original Asch with dark red hair changed to light red hair and 7 years lattler his hair adquired a golden coloration too? And so the boy with the same face and the correct hair appear in the door and the guards just say "get out"!

The difference of hair is just to show us they're different, I doubt the characters see any difference.
And little Asch was dirty and everything, and they probably didn't take a good look at him. Besides, their little master was in the manor, and they probably didn't know anything about fomicry. So it's understandable they didn't recognize him.

Originally Posted by Nabiki Asakura

i'm still thinking about why, in chibi Asch's sad scene, he didn't jumps and said "MOM, IT'S ME, YAY!"

It would have been more like "*takes sword out* REPLICAAAAAAAAA!!" xD
But yeah, he was just there, he could have easily got his life back ;_;
Damn you, Van...