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2011-05-18, 13:32 | Link #942 | |
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Between the UFO references and the mentally ill female lead, this actually reminds me a lot of Iriya no Sora, UFO no Natsu, although this is going more of a "emotionally poignant comedy" route whereas that show went for "tears and heavy romantic drama". As for the harem... meh. I suppose I can criticize (most) of them as extraneous characters mainly used for info-drops. I say most because IMO this show needs a "normal" option to contrast with Erio. For the most part, I pay theme little attention because they're in the background most of the time - certainly they wouldn't exert much influence on my opinion of the show. (Of course, if the author throws Erio on the backburner in order to pump up with harem antics like Infinite Stratos put Charlotte on the backburner, then I'll rage. That's the kind of thing that does frustrate me about harem shows.)
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2011-05-18, 13:43 | Link #943 |
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Nope, I think that he was referring to me. That's fine though even if I got a bad rep for that. Because I'm sure that those type of people do exist. Note that I don't refer to people who don't like Denpa Onna. If it's not what they expect then it's not a problem at all. I just respond to the thought of moe = automatically crap in your last post.
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2011-05-18, 16:31 | Link #944 |
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It's not really the fault of the show, honestly.
It's the fault of the entire industry. Really, I don't know what the whole problem is, but I'm sure the state of the industry and the economy is probably partially to blame. And yeah, I never really cared for SHAFT much until Madoka, so I went back and poked around to see what else they did in the past. And you guys are completely right--they've done far more things on the level of Denpa Onna than on the level of Madoka. I mean, I did watch Bakemonogatari when it was airing, and it was good for a laugh a bit, but it was a bit too postmodern for my tastes. Other than that I've never really noticed SHAFT much. My frustration stems from this: Besides Madoka, the last series (chronologically) that I really, truly cared about was The Daughter of Twenty Faces. That show was put out two years ago. Why is everything just so much crap these days? I'm not getting it. Why the obsession with this daily-life cute-comedy, romance and wish-fulfillment harems? Why can't I get strong female characters who aren't sexually objectified in one manner or another? Male characters who aren't loser-wimps? If it's not moe dramedy--which, I might add, I do not hate, as I quite enjoyed Clannad--it's Naruto or Shana clones. Or it's a harem show where every girl has a serious craving for the loser-guy protagonist. Does nothing else make money? Should I just go back to reading books and screw all moving-picture media?
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2011-05-18, 16:53 | Link #946 | |
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Anyway, my opinion is the same as graywolf202. If you think this show is nothing more than moeshit, you're not watching it properly.
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2011-05-18, 17:09 | Link #948 | |
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but I'm pretty sure you already know the answer. - or, that is what I'd like to hope... |
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2011-05-18, 17:29 | Link #949 | |
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And if enough people do that, then things might change since industries need to attract people to survive. That does not mean that I think things are a mess in the anime industry. And I am liking Denpa. When something does not please me, I don't watch it/ read it. That's it. |
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2011-05-18, 17:55 | Link #950 | |
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Mado Magi is moe animation, by the way. Except it has 'deeper' plot, that's pretty much it. Quote:
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Denpa Onna is not a romance series. It is pretty obvious that romance will never, ever become the focus of the series. Erio and Meme is already pretty strong character just by their appearance and nature. Erio believes about Alien, but tries her best to return to society. Meme is milf mom who brings lights to overall story telling. If you can't see anything like this but cute girl doing cute things, you are clearly disadvantaging yourself. Daily life cute comedy has been there since the start of animation industry, as a form of Mahou Shoujo series. There is no obsession, that's what anime and manga has always been like. Every characters are sexually objectified, and it is inevitable. If character is not cute or handsome even in the biggest masterpiece ever made, people cannot sympathies with the characters AT ALL. If you complain about 'sexually objectified females', you are insulting the animation media as a whole. Please tell me if there was any harem animation that male protagonist was 'loser' in any way that recently aired, because I cannot see anything like that currently. Even Infinite Stratos never had loser male. Edited: Possibly Onii Chan no koto or zombie desuka, but that is 2 out of like 50 different series that has aired this year. Quote:
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2011-05-18, 18:26 | Link #952 |
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Oh I know very well how the industry works. Like most industries, it panders to the base it makes the most money from, and the money-making base happens to be the crazy obsessive otakus and the teenage boys who watch shonen action shows.
This really isn't the place for this discussion. I came in here to express frustration at the fact that apparently, things changed so drastically what was being released before is no longer now. A few years ago I used to be always following at least one show. It's not happening anymore. My tastes haven't really changed that much--if anything, they've expanded, because I can actually get some enjoyment from plotless/slice-of-life romance and comedy, and I used to hate all of it. I really shouldn't have expected this show to be anything more than it is, but I didn't know about the LN, I only knew that the message it was sending me gave off a very intense Higurashi/Umineko vibe of "counting the minutes until mutilated corpses start showing up" and I thought I'd be into an extraterrestrial thriller/mystery. I got the wrong idea. Sorry if that offends you so goddamned much. I'm not watching the show anymore, anyway--it's not what I'm interested in. I don't like this kind of story, and it seems that this kind of story is everywhere now. I can't escape it, and that's where the hostility and frustration comes from. And I am not a guy--perhaps if you thought about that for a minute, you might have more easily realized why these kind of shows can be offensive to people.
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2011-05-18, 19:01 | Link #953 | |
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I'm not a guy too, y'know, 'tisn't really a reason. At any rate, what kind of story are you saying Denpa Onna is? If you look at it as a coming of age story with great characters, it's the same type of story as Onani Master Kurosawa. And, as applejuice said, anime is a source of entertainment, and as such, it shouldn't need to be Lain-style to be called a good show. Sure, there are those anime that touch you to the depths of your soul, but as with any other medium, such works are rare, which is what makes them special. |
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But to put things into perspective here, take Meme, a 40-year old moe-blob, who is a lone mother bringing up her delusional, shut-in, and teenage daughter, while working and taking care of her brother's son. So what is so bad about teasing her nephew? wait, I know, because unlike the ideal red-neck housewife is not boring, fat and ugly, withdrawn from life... now come neo-feminist and rant about sexual objectification Generally, I will agree, that late night shows need leads with which the audience can identify. But, there are exception... again here in Denpa, the protagonist is neither a loser, nor a wimp. Quote:
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2011-05-18, 19:16 | Link #955 | |
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Had I known this to begin with, had I researched a bit about the light novel the show is adapted from, I would never have bothered watching it. I never would have been fooled into believing this was a thriller/mystery. The first few episodes--especially the first episode--hinted very much at the fact that Erio was really an alien. After all, PTSD-ridden shut-ins with severe mental trauma are usually not absolutely drop-dead gorgeous with hair so lustrous and shiny that it literally sparkles. Fictional characters with severe mental issues are usually portrayed as looking like two miles of bad road or massive woobies, not supermodels from another planet. Plus, they strongly suggested with Meme's odd behavior that something very wrong was going on here--and the main character was the hapless normal plopped right in the middle of something extremely not good. Subsequent episodes show this is clearly not the case, Erio just has PTSD, Meme is just an irresponsible woman-child, and other female characters are popping up and showing ah, unrealistic levels of interest in the main character. No aliens, no conspiracies, no men-in-black, no weird happenings that aren't just SHAFT-y postmodernism. So the problem? I was unintentionally hoodwinked. I got a blue skirt when I asked for a purple skirt, and the light in the store was bad enough that I couldn't tell if the skirt was actually blue or purple. Next time I'll make sure to check what the new show I'm interested in is being adapted from. I really do wish I didn't have to, though. It would be nice to go into these things without spoilers.
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2011-05-18, 19:23 | Link #956 |
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Well, the person above will argue with you regardless
WTF did you expect, when you see one male character and four females? reverse harem? shoujo? sci-fi action? no research is necessary... just common sense As for Madoka, the entropy/alien crap was the worst idea ever, in an otherwise wonderful show. I would consider ourselves lucky, if there is a rational/psychological/sociological background to what happened to Erio |
2011-05-18, 19:25 | Link #957 | |
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While Ryuuko is obviously interested in him and Erio has become fond of him, I would also agree with "loads of attractive girls" but they don't seem to all be interested in his pants (meme is a big question mark but I stand by she's just being an idiot, albeit going too far). I think she simply acts to see a reaction. When I think Harem, I thin of things like clannad (first season), shuffle, da capo, etc. where there is literally 3+ girls all very romantically inclined to the male protagonist. Makoto regularly converse with all these females (being the protagonist) but only one of them seems romantically interested in him (excluding meme(?) ). I wouldn't call it a harem in its current form, it could go that way but I don't see it doing so. |
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2011-05-18, 19:29 | Link #958 |
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All right, all right, I'm just saying I don't like it, and never would have bothered if I hadn't been sold a bill of goods on what the show supposedly contained!
So yeah, I'm basically not watching this show anymore. A friend is still watching it, and I told him to promise to tell me if anyone started dying or mutilated corpses showed up or real, actual aliens started killing people... Really been craving a good horror. Wish I still had my PS2, I'd do a Silent Hill marathon...
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2011-05-18, 19:34 | Link #959 | |
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Back on topic, I will agree this show turned out to be very different form what I originally expected as well, unlike you I'm still enjoying it but I can agree the exact genre was pretty unclear at the start. |
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aliens, ecchi, light novel adaptation, romance, school life, seinen, shaft, shounen, slice of life |
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