2009-07-04, 16:10 | Link #201 |
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Those were very informative posts, thanks.
A shame that they even cut out those parts which would at most take up another minute to include. A little less scenery and a little more dialogue would go a long way to make a better show. |
2009-07-06, 16:29 | Link #202 | |
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Probably the only reasons behind her use of black dite is the weight(her attacks relies more on the force than technique) and training(forcing her Kei more) |
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2009-07-06, 17:04 | Link #203 | |
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2009-07-06, 22:34 | Link #205 |
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But the outer burst Kei is more like a directed energy weapon.
Let's see a Gundam comparsion then. The Mobile Suit's armor has close to no defense against beams, but it's shield has many layers of beam-absorbing cosatings(and it can survive a beam) Same with the black and white dites. The black one don't let the incoming Kei attack to flow inside the weapon, but it faces that head-on and lets other parts of the body get hurt by it too. While a white dite can probably absorb it and protect the wielder from the whole attack despite it covered a larger area than the dite itself. |
2009-07-07, 02:39 | Link #206 |
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Was meant as a joke in any case, I find our knowledge about how kei acts and dites in general lacking to come with a solid answer.
However, I think that we at least were informed that dites were all made of adamantite (hence the short-hand dite comes from) due to how it can be altered and re-composed by alchemical means, the restoration chant. So it should be safe to assume that the dites only difference are in shape but not the material. |
2009-07-07, 06:47 | Link #207 | ||
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I agree that if a kei burst is a weapon of impact, incompetents are going to be hurt by blocking those attacks with a dite. Quote:
black: heavy and bad conductor. white and green: very good conductor and good conductor (good for speed too). red: (anime)seems to be used by people with fire attacks, like Shante. If adamantite is the real name for all the material, I have no idea. We should have some anwser in a few weeks when vol. 2 translation is over. |
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2009-08-20, 20:48 | Link #209 |
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Adding more info about Nina that I found on the web. In spoiler tag, although it doesn't really have anything to do with the storyline.
Spoiler for Nina's background:
I also want to comment on the anime Nina vs novel Nina. The more I read the nice translation we have, the more I can see the "butchering" that was done to Nina's character. Part because of the "plot" changes, part because of the personality changes. I mean . They totally changed the character. At first I thought it would be limited, so I expect novel Nina to be a bit of a tsundere with the paladin philosophy, but no anime Nina and novel Nina are like polar opposite. Nina is actually not an overzealous tsundere paladin, she is an over-analyzing bookworm paladin. That was totally unexpected. Although, the tsundere tendencies can raise later. |
2009-08-21, 08:48 | Link #211 | ||
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2009-08-21, 10:59 | Link #212 | |
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Also Nina was always over-analyzing in the anime. We see her doubt herself many times throughout and asked questions of Layfon. Many times he avoided answering, changed the subject or used misdirection. She did however always confront him about his morals and his way of doing things and even tried to understand him though she herself felt that she couldn't when it all came down to it. The novel will of course make this much easier to see but I never thought it was that difficult to see in the first place in the anime. Anime Nina is actually a more interesting character to me. She seems much more "human" in the anime.
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2009-08-21, 16:37 | Link #213 |
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Human? Well, LN Nina is inspirational for everyone to Jean D'Arc levels. If you mean the anime Nina has more faults and more controlled by her emotions. If you meant thiis as being more human then you must've meant it's more common. You find more people with the personality similar to the anime's nina than the LN's. But I found her actions somewhat too unexplained and unreasonable in the anime it actually takes out much of her "humanity".
Anime Nina even may fit somehow the tsundere deffinition. But as far as I know LN Nina has no kind of "defense mechanism" to hide her feelings(like it's natural for the tsunderes) |
2009-08-21, 17:04 | Link #214 | |
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Something the anime totally removed from the character, mostly because they are 100% thoughts. |
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If you need some of her actions explained then please ask I'll be glad to go in depth into specific examples. Quote:
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2009-08-22, 08:20 | Link #216 |
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I have to agree with Rick about it. Even though the anime misses the thoughts which are a big deal and totally makes up stuff like hiding the haikizoku as a secret, Nina's actions are far more than unexplainable. There's a sense and reason behind them. Tvtropes got it totally wrong, it all comes down to someone's wrong analysis to label a character as such. I generally dislike tsunderes, because they're overly synthetic most times with the senseless knee-jerk reactions. In anime, we see Nina acting friendly as a colleague with Layfon right away from the start. She's rough but it's Layfon's non-stop deceit (even after his secret leaked out) till the very last episode that causes her stern reactions. And those are in no way the senseless "baka Shinji, curl up and die" spam. In fact, Felli can be considered the real tsundere with her constant baka spam, harassment and attacks followed by "if it's you, it's ok Fonfon" moments. Now that's the type of character I detest since the time I saw Asuka of NGE.
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2009-08-22, 10:27 | Link #217 |
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Sigh.
I guest I shouldn't have put the word tsundere there, looks like a sore subject for some viewers. My comment wasn't about determining if Nina was or not a tsundere or what the term meant or what I understood or not of hypotical background stage character reasoning. It was about the difference between the anime and the novel presentation of the character. I guess I didn't use the right term. |
2009-08-22, 11:07 | Link #218 |
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I know. Anime-Nina looks like a really forcefull and bossy person, while LN-Nina's the opposite. Even if they're not as different, but they look really different.
For the most viewers who hate Nina she looks like a sore looser and weak fighter, who pretends to be strong. On the top of it a jealus, power-hungry girl with really reckless behaviour. On the top of it bossy and forcefull as I mentioned. She's not like that but her actions could be interpreted that way too. In contrast LN Nina's quite obviously not like that. We have no chance to accuse her for those things. She thinks out throughly her actions and always reflects on her mistakes. And thanks to the fact the Light Novels aren't auto-wimpifying every other character besides Layfon she isn't look like a weak fighter at all. Just it's ovbvious that layfon's a whole other league. |
2009-08-22, 22:35 | Link #219 |
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That's just an effect of the different mediums, willyvereb. A novel can get away with over-explaining things but it's a different thing entirely if it's a visual medium. I think anime!Nina (despite how I may have some complaints with the anime in general) has been portrayed dynamically and complex enough. Besides, from what little I've read of the novels, I didn't really notice that much difference between their portrayals (except for the power/strength upgrades, that is); LN!Nina is just as much forceful (when it comes to her team) as the one in the anime, and I wouldn't really have it any other way.
In short, sometimes less is more. |
2009-08-23, 00:54 | Link #220 |
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It's not just the effect of different mediums. They somehow messed up the plot, change the time of persional revelations thus rendered some of Nina's actions quite unexplained. On the top ofit they added some unwanted extra. It's not just the effect of cutting out scenes and internal monolouges.Even without that she would show a face closer to the LN's.
True maybe if we analyse througly her actions she may remain the same, but most of the viewers don't have time or mood for that. |
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