Zero no Tsukaima Novels Discussion Thread

[DeotoxSlayer]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Hmm... I think it won't end soon (or at least the next volume), because there is still quite a bit left to do.

-Defeat Joseph
-Revelation of the "Holy Land"
-Elves
-Pope and his idiotic plan
-Saito and his world

Also, the author says that there is still more to go for the series in the afternotes.
Of course, he doesn't necessarily have to go through it all.

Though I do want the series to end with Saito going back and staying in his world.

Though from the end of volume 13 (since Saito didn't actually go back to his world yet), possibly:

-Saito goes back to his world and comes back <--...Kind of don't want this...
-Saito stays in his world and the story focuses on the remaining characters
-Julio lies and Saito doesn't make it back to his world <--Why is it that this seems likely...
-The World Door doesn't work/Pope does something...

So the author says there's still moe to go....well I guess that menas no one can gimme a estimate based on their knowledge of how many more novels could be writen before ending the series...

Also great Job on the translation Serenade haven't read them yet, but I plan on it once the chapter's finished.

[Matt122005]

The problem is that vol. 5 is only 3 chapters. But each chapter has 4 parts to it. The first 2 parts of ch. 1 are done, available on Baka-Tsuki, and part 3 is being translated now.

-Matt

[asclepios]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Phew, finally done with all of the volumes.

Spoiler for thoughts on volumes 7-13:

Volume 7:

Tristain and Germania fails…
Your enemy asks for a temporary ceasefire, and you agree?! Your enemy!
Because you gave them so much time, you completely lost, didn’t you?!
Sigh… And Henrietta too… Not exactly one of my favorite characters. Heck, even Guiche and Monmon are higher up the ranking. She attacks a powerful country and just stays and prays. She’s always been so amazingly dramatic since her first appearance.
Go Siesta!

Volume 8:

Saito has such absurd dreams…
Siesta proves to be stronger than Louise, who ended up depressed, tried to summon Saito, got really depressed, and would have successfully committed suicide if it wasn’t for Guiche’s sculpture.
Monmon and Guiche get some redemption… Until this volume, I only really thought of them as idiots (mostly Guiche here). But they were great this volume.
And Henrietta realizes how much damage she did… Sells almost everything she has to pay for war costs. Well… don’t really care, since I’m tired of her weeping/apologizing/whatevering. Though it’s not like the dead will come back because you sell your furniture…

Volume 9:

More breast jokes with Tiffania’s this time… Well, it was fun with Siesta leaving Saito to die.
Farewell to Tiffania…
And Saito becomes a chevalier! Amazing man! Let’s ignore Henrietta’s usual sobbing or apologizing and such and cheer for Saito!
*sheds a tear when Saito finds out Corbert dies*
I won’t complain about the name “Undine”… Even if I typically picture such as a female…
I can’t blame Louise for intruding, but I wish she would have left Saito alone to be swarmed by those first years. It’s so rare and… the guy’s so lucky! “Saito-sama” < - -
I worry about what Siesta is reading and being taught by those girls, but it’s great in its own way.
Sleipnier’s Ball was interesting. Disturbing that Marcone (whatever spelling) would have turned into a girl, but then again, so did Osmond. Lousie turned into Cattleya!
Another “Louise gets annoyed” moment with her seeing Henrietta and Saito kissing, though this was far more serious than those comedic moments. Muznitonirun (sp?) attacks again with gargoyles…
Very surprised when Corbert reappeared alive and destroyed most of the gargoyles, especially with that Ostrant-gou of his/Zerbest’s.
Though now that Tabitha has betrayed Joseph… Well, to the next volume!

Volume 10:

Finally… Almost a complete volume for Tabitha/Charlotte.
The Ostrant was pretty amazing, as expected of Colbert, and will be important later, most likely. Don’t really care much about Kirche going “Jean” all the time…
Really surprised when another Elf, Bidashal, appeared. And he really showed how amazing elves were with their special magic, senjyuu (先住) magic by completely defeating Tabitha and Sylpheed by himself without really doing anything. Too bad he’s being tricked by Joseph…
But really interesting… The founder and Void are considered a evil by the elves. Not only that, but the so-called holy land is considered “Satan’s Gate” by them. Maybe the founder and the holy land are not as holy as thought by the humans. No one has yet to see first hand, so no one can prove either point. Maybe Joseph will finally see first hand? Though on the other hand, the elves’ land is called “Sahara” and their hero is called “Anubis”… so I don’t really know how much to trust in their naming senses.
I almost pitied Joseph for a second, but then he started spouting lines about having Tabitha drink that elven potion to and the other crap, and I realized just how crazy he is… On the other hand… Tabitha’s dad sure was a kind man… Though like one said, kindness can sometimes be cruel…
As for the chapter “Uncertainty and Jealousy”… in one word from me:
Romanized JP- -> “okei~, Siesta ha watashi no yome ni nari~~masu~!”
Siesta=awesome. But I really wonder just how bad those books of hers really are…
Humanoid Sylpheed was… a surprise. The way she always ends her sentences is a tad annoying, but I’ll let that go… But those nobles sure are dense, not realizing Sylpheed=Irukuku…
Henrietta ends up capturing them… Since they escape in the end, I don’t feel like saying anything bad about her… Yareyare… Though thanks to her, Agnes finds the group and makes it bothersome again… Well, she finally stops trying to kill Colbert, so I guess it turned out well.
Not surprised Saito threw away his nobility, but quite a surprise from Louise. Yaah~~, she’s come a long way since the beginning.
Horrible troop morale=horrible troop performance=idiocy to the max=failure as soldiers. Well, they still have to get pass the elf anyways, who, as expected, was more than a challenge… Though Louise’s dispel was able to help Derflinger get pass Bidashal’s magic.
But in the end, after seeing “Satan’s power”, he leaves… and remains alive. I just hope he doesn’t remain at Joesph’s side.
Hero of Ivaldi’s story is strangely similar to Saito… But that’s what makes it interesting.
Oh, and nice to see the Orlean family butler again. I was wondering where he went.

Volume 11:

After an intermission at Zerbest’s, they have to go to Louise’s family again to meet Henrietta, who just has to bring Agnes along.
Louise’s mom is scary! *shiver*
Who would have though she was a legendary Manticore knight…
Well, Louise’s dad proves to love her daughter very much and Louise makes up with Henrietta. Agnes is still there.
Nice moment where Saito started crying, remembering Earth, but Louise had to come in and punish him…
Suddenly back at school… Saito is so popular… >_<
All of those first-years and maids… For no real reason, that Katie/Katy girl has gotten more appearances lately, though apparently she’s fine with anyone famous.
Kirche brainwashes Louise… More Siesta time is good! And what’s best was Saito’s very insensitive reaction… “A curtain” he said! Ahahaha! That was the best. More fun later as Siesta pokes on Louise while she was depressed that her Void couldn’t work. But that’s all because she used up all her energy, kind of serves her right for constantly punishing Saito.
That pope from Romaria appears…It seems he means well, but I can’t help but feel annoyed and discomforted by his great idea of gathering the Voids to reach the Holy Land. After all, no one knows this oh-so-great land, and it might as well be demonic. For such an important person, he sure knows how to risk his nation’s people’s lives… And then there’s Henrietta! Don’t agree with that boy! To get Saito to bring back Tiffania… Well, that’s that.
Hi, Mathilda. She’s lucky Tiffania was there, because if I was Saito, I’d make sure she could walk again… So she had been working to get money for Tiffania and kids. Great motivation, horrid ways to earn it. *smiles while pulling out weapons*
Joseph’s great giant golem toy comes out… Not sure what to say about the way it was defeated, but I’m used to it, I guess.
Poor Saito and his homesickness… To think that being a familiar could be so… restraining.

Volume 12:

Hmm… Somewhat pointless, but it was funny though.
The first part was meh… with that annoying Beatrice girl. The breast jokes on Tiffania was done too much though… Saito also manages to crash all of his popularity. I was slightly perplexed over the conclusion to the big fight between the Undines and Beatrice’s knights and Osmand’s lines, but I’ll not think too hard on that. Tiffania accidentally made Saito a dead man though…
The second part was a bit funnier. Saito stormed out on Louise (for good reason), but the other Undine members are busy being popular (Marcone was pathetic…). Well, being idiots, they ruin their own popularity. Best part has to be Saito worrying whether Tabitha was “in” or “out”.
Really enjoyed the third part, partly because it was a Siesta chapter and partly because the love potion/yuri was just
Jessica’s love potion was just… if I was Saito, in one word, awesome. Very funny and very impossible (normally). Siesta’s naked apron was also very “hyahoo~~!”
I sometimes do worry about Siesta’s surroundings though…


Volume 13:

An eventful volume.
Where to start…
First, the Pope. I am very wary of this boy. The first thing is how doomed he might end up. He plans to save the world and defeat Gallia by recovering a land that is known through legend and no one knows what is inside. If the holy land ended up being a horrible thing, he’s screwed. He has also shown to be far too detached. He obviously seems to consider his religion more important than his mother, where he found it okay she died because it was judgment and she deserved it. He also wants to use Saito for his own plans. Plus, he says he wants to negotiate with the Elves, but it is simply just threatening them with magic. Either way, I dislike him a lot. Never liked him since he appeared, because he just has way too much potential to be an antagonist. Yet at the same time, he’s supposed to be so “good”.
Next, Julio. His constant cheery demeanor just makes me angry… Overall, as Julio’s familiar, I don’t care about him.
Joseph still acts like a lunatic.
The new info about Void was interesting. Now that three familiars are revealed, this means that whoever Tiffania makes as a familiar would become the unknown familiar not recorded.

Anyways… I have a bad impression of Romaria. It seems far to immersed in religion to the point it’s scary.

Almost cried during the e-mail scene...

Spoiler for a few character thoughts:

Saito - Great character. He can be funny at times and serious at others. Can be pretty cool at times. He's one of my favorite male protagonists. Only thing I might complain about is how he's so~ attached to Louise, even though Siesta's better to him.

Louise - I don't hate her, but she really punishes him too much, hurts him too much, and acts like a tsundere too much, at times. She really has come a long way though...

Siesta - My most favorite character of the series. Besides for status, pretty much beats Louise in all categories: Her body is more fitting to her age than Louise's, she doesn't constantly half-kill Saito, has a great personality, etc.

Henrietta - ...Don't really care. Feels like a drama queen at times, invokes a war, promises to keep Saito out of harms way only to ask her to help the Pope against fighting Gallia, and actually agrees with that Pope. Bah... Wouldn't feel too sad if she died.

Victorio - Really wouldn't care if he died. Opinions in volume 13 thoughts.

Julio - Pisses me off...

Monmon/Guiche/Marcone - Until volume 8, I didn't real care much about them. But now, they've proven to be good characters. Marcone, not so much... He did, at first, think of killing that defected guy from Albion...

Joseph - Really screwed in the head, but easily very dangerous.

Colbert - Another great character.

There was a short one posted pages back, but here's a longer one from me now that I'm done with the volume:

Spoiler for volume 13 summary:

The novel starts out with Henrietta visiting Romaria. Of course, along with her are various other people like Agnes and her squad. Pointless to note, Agnes wasn’t wearing her usual soldier clothes. Anyways, after lots of description about Romaria like how they don’t allow weapons into the city except for the Paladins (who ride Pegasus), Henrietta arrives at her destination, where Julio greets her and brings her to the Pope Victorio (Vittorio is how it is pronounced, but I think it is Victorio). At the moment, the Pope was sorting out books. The Pope had called Henrietta here (Romaria) to show her a “miracle”. He chants and uses Void on a mirror, revealing to her that he can use Void. Henrietta was so… amazed that she practically fell to her knees in front of the Pope.

Then the book goes back to the Magic Academy. The Undines’ were treated worse than bugs and forced to do physical labor because they peeked on the girls in volume 12. The guys whose popularity had gone up, even Marcone, loses all of the girls’ affections. Away from the tragedy, Saito was pouring tea for Louise and Siesta. No one except a few (Louise, Tabitha, Siesta) knew he had peeked along with the Undines, so Saito didn’t suffer from the bug treatment. Instead… he was forced to wear a maid outfit. It was Siesta’s idea because Louise’s punishments were too painful, so Siesta chose this, which she considered to look cute on Saito. Saito, having a bigger mouth than he needs, taunts Louise over the cream incident from volume 12, causing Louise to start fighting with him.
Meanwhile, Colbert and Osmand were talking. Colbert was denied permission to fly Ostrant to the East. Osmand also mentions a bad feeling of things to come…
Back to the main characters, Siesta had run out while Louise and Saito continued to fight. Anyways, Saito ends up playing around with Louise’s feelings and they manage to get into another “wonderful” mood. Just as Saito was about to unbutton Louise’s shirt, wind blew. It was Tabitha, who pointed out they had a guest. Tabitha was riding Sylpheed, by the way. The guest was Colbert.
Colbert talks about Saito going home. Siesta had come back too, by the way. Saito starts talking about perhaps staying in this world (making certain girls happy). Colbert somewhat disagrees with this though. Anyways, after Colbert finishes, he leaves. Saito leaves soon afterwards, after telling Louise he might be satisfied in this world. After he leaves, the ones left were Tabitha, Louise, and Siesta. Asking Tabitha, Louise finds out that she plans to stay in this room… and they get pissed off at each other and prepare to cast spells. Siesta gets between them and to calm them down, pours some wine out for them to drink. They start drinking……
Back to Saito, he had gone to Colbert’s lab. He gives his laptop to Colbert, who was drinking away. Seeing the laptop though, Colbert completely gets immersed in it. Saito also explains what it is.
Going back to his room, he finds Siesta and Tabitha drunk and asleep, and Louise still drinking. Louise’s speech was rather slurred too. Then they get into a good mood again, with them really getting kind of weird with each other (mostly because Saito decided that he can go a bit farther because she won’t remember anything since she’s drunk), but Saito sees something flying out the window. It shot an ice arrow at him. He charges at it with Derflinger, but he only realizes it was Rune/Lune after his attack. They have a quick reunion moment, but Rune quickly tells him he had a message from Henrietta.

It was a message telling him to brings Tiffania and Louise to Romaria. The Undines, Colbert, Tabitha, Kirche, Tiffania, and Louise ride the Ostrant to Romaria. On the way there, Louise and Saito get another good moment and start kissing, but they realize that Tabitha was there as well and most of the Undines were listening in from the outside. Needless to say, the atmosphere was ruined… Later that night, Tiffania worries about Romaria, who believed in that founder and were afraid of elves. If they found out she was an elf (half), it would be a lot worse than the case with Beatrice. But thinking about the fact that the orphans were probably trying their best too, she decided to prepare herself for the future hardships too.
Arriving at Romaria… things got bad almost right away. Romaria’s knights found the group suspicious (because meeting Henrietta was a secret). One tried to get Tiffania to take off her hat, but that would expose her ears and her identity. This crisis was avoided by Kirche distracting the guard long enough for Tabitha to use a square spell and change Tiffania’s facial features.
But… Saito didn’t know about Romaria’s no-arms law and walked in with Derflinger. The knights stopped him and threw off Derflinger. Because Derflinger had been stressed lately over not being talked to and such, he snapped and started insulting the knights and their religion. Things got chaotic and the Paladins branded the group as heretics. The whole group runs away with Sylpheed and “fly” spell, but the Paladins give chase on their Pegasus. Saito and co. manage to hide at a bar where they put up barricade. Soon, the Paladins start attacking. They soon start casting these powerful elemental spells. Tabitha manages to weaken the first spell, but she runs out of MP. The next spell by the Paladins is weakened by Colbert, but he runs out of MP afterwards. With these two out of power, everyone decides to count on Louise. Saito goes and blocks the next attack while Louise chants. But her spell failed… it seems she doesn’t have enough energy stored up. She usually stores up energy through jealousy and anger, but she has been too happy recently…The Paladins break through the barricade and charge after casting Blade. Fight follows, but is soon stopped when Julio, who had been hiding in disguise in the bar, reveals himself merrily and tells everyone he set up the whole thing. He greets Louise and Tiffania.

Now at the palace, Louise, Saito, and Tiffania are eating with Victorio, Julio, and Henrietta while the others eat at a different spot. The Pope reveals to them all that Julio is his familiar, Vindalf. He then reveals his intentions to take back the holy land from the Elves with the power of Void. Saito is against it, as well as Tiffania and Louise. Saito thinks it isn’t right to fight the Elves, but the Pope and Henrietta says that they are rulers of their own country and they must think about their civilians first and that they can’t make everyone happy with their small hands. They say they aren’t going to fight, but just to negotiate by showing the Elves the power of Void. Even so, Saito disagrees. Next, the Pope reveals his plan to lure Joseph and his familiar out with the Voids as bait. Saito agrees to this because he can’t forgive the guy for all he’s did. Tiffania also agrees, but Louise doesn’t. Her thought was that Saito would be put in the most danger. Louise can’t use Void at the moment, Henrietta and Victorio has no battle experience, and Julio was strong, but as a familiar, he was just Vindalf. The Pope gives them time to think about it because he knew they couldn’t make up their mind right away.

The next morning, Saito woke up earlier than Louise. Julio came and brought him to the underground catacombs. Here, Julio showed Saito a massive collection of weapons from his world, from guns to cannons to tanks. Julio also tells Saito that they were found near the Holy Land and that Romaria has met people from his world before too. Afterwards, he leaves with Saito.
Meanwhile, Agnes and Colbert meet with Victorio. Agnes inquires if he knows a woman named “Victoria” (Victoria was the woman that was found by Agnes’ village, sheltered, and was the reason for the massacre). The Pope says that she is his mother. Following this, Colbert hands Victorio the Ruby of Fire, which he had gotten after burning down Agnes’ village. Victorio puts it on his hand and looks at it preciously. Colbert asks him to punish him because he burnt and killed his mother, but Victorio says that he’d rather thank him for bringing back the Ruby. He also says that his mother had acted like a heretic and ran away, and that being burnt and killed was pretty much judgment for her.

Later, the Undines are practicing because they have been told that someone is aiming at the Pope and they need to watch out. Of course, they have not been told about Void. Guiche, the only one there who also knew about the enemy, talked with Saito about his worries since the previous fight with the Jormungant.
When the Undines finished, they went for lunch. Louise was there and she drags Saito into the hallway to talk to him. She argues with him about treasuring himself more and also about going home, but Saito also says how in this world, he learned what it meant to fight for someone’s sake. Either way, their conversation is interrupted by Agnes, who tells Louise to come to the Pope with the Founder’s Prayer Book. After Louise leaves, Colbert comes running up to Saito and tells him the laptop was working.
Louise enters the room the Pope was waiting in, where Henrietta, Tiffania, and Julio were also there. The Pope explains that like the four elements of magic, Void has categories too. For instance, Louise’s Void would be “Offense/Attack”. He also explains that the Founder’s Prayer Book gives different users different spells when the user wears their Ruby and opens it and the time is right. Henrietta hands Tiffania her Ruby of Wind and the Book. Tiffania didn’t find any new spells… seems the time isn’t right. Next, Victorio, now with his Ruby of Fire, does the same. A page glitters and reveals a spell, “World Door”. He begins to chant.
Back to Saito, Colbert had explained how to get the laptop working again and Saito hugged him in excitement. Having started the computer, Colbert asks to see the internet. Saito doubts he will get a connection, but tries anyways.
Back to the Pope, he completes the spell and casts it. A dot forms… and becomes a mirror. Looking into the mirror, Louise and Tiffania took a heavy shock in what they saw… It was Saito’s world. The mirror quickly disappeared though. Louise decided to run out and tell Saito. But she is stopped by Henrietta, Victorio, and Julio. They tell her that it would be bothersome if she told him because he would lose all reason to help them retrieve the holy land. They tell her that whether she tells him or not, the choice is understandable and is not wrong. (They tell her she has a choice, but they try to convince her not to because they need Saito’s power as Gandalf to help them).
Back to Saito, the internet had connected. He opens the mail and numerous ones from friends and family pop up. He opens the last one, which turned out to be from his mother. He read it, then the next, and so on and started crying. Colbert asks what is it, and Saito says it was mail, a letter from his mother. Understanding the situation, Colbert leaves the room.
Now, Louise is running towards Saito. She had decided not to tell him. She sees Colbert standing in front of the room. Colbert has her look in and explains the situation. Louise took a deep shock because she had believed Saito’s lie that he had no family. She runs off. When she gets to her bed, she thinks about can she do for him.

When Saito wakes up, he realizes that he had cried himself to sleep and Colbert was sleeping in the bed. Leaving the laptop, he leaves and goes back to Louise’s room. When he entered, he saw her in casual clothing. She turns and smiles at him and asks him to go with her to the streets of Romaria. Saito was scared of this Louise, because she was so cheerful, so he taunted her the usual way (breasts). Seeing that she didn’t get mad, he became suspicious, but Louise ended up convincing him she was doing it as a reward and because he will be fighting Gallia tomorrow. They go through a wonderful day. After getting back to the palace and calming down, Saito starts wondering why she did this, again. Louise comes and pours him some water, in which he gulps down right away. He then asks her why she did this. After hearing her say a few words, he was hit with sleepiness all of a sudden.
He had been drugged by a sleeping potion. Louise kisses him while he’s unconscious. Then she places him on the bed and turns around towards Julio, who was standing there at the door. She and he agrees on that the World Door would be open up, but in exchange, Louise would do whatever Romaria/Pope plans. Julio than tells her to follow him because with Saito gone, they would need a change in plans. On the way out, Louise turned around once and said “Goodbye, my most important person.”

In Epilogue, we are taken to Joseph. He was looking at a blue rose in his garden with Moliere. She asks him why he wanted a blue rose. She wanted him to say it was for her, but instead, he says it was to destroy it. She starts crying, surprising Joseph. He was even more surprised when she said that she really did love him and wasn’t after his fortune/throne. He hugs her. Moliere was happy for a moment, until she realized he had stabbed her through with a sword. She drops dead and he lights the garden on fire. Sheffield comes out. Joseph says that when a person kills someone he loves, he is supposed to feel pain. Sheffield asks “Do you?”. Obviously, Joseph says no. Joseph then commands his troops to go to Romaria and crush EVERYTHING. They didn’t understand what he was talking about, but eventually decided to follow his orders after he says he’ll give them Romaria. He had already created 10 Jorgunmants. Afterwards, he rants and laughs “innocently like an angel”.

Last thing:

If someone from Baka-Tsuki is here, two corrections on the titles:

The Flame Red Jewel of Atonement --> The Ruby of Atonement
It does indeed say "Flame Red Jewel", but the furigana above the kanji says "Ruby".
I guess it's more of a translator's choice.


The Door of the Holy Land --> The Holy Country's World Door/The World Door of the Holy Country
聖国の世界扉
This is more of a mistake.
国=Country
世界扉=Definitely is "World Door"

Thank you for those wondeful summaries;i have a few question about Tabitha(my fav. pers. fem.) but first:who is the hero of ivaldi-someone who really existed or just a tale?And who does compare him to Saito,just you or someone in the novel?

[asclepios]

and now about Tabitha:
1-How was she rescued?Did guiche and momon managed to get useful for once or was it all Saito and Louise void power again?Didn't Joseph expected her friend to show up?I toughj he would use her as a bait

[asclepios]

2-and i almost forgetted the most important:why does she alwais appear when Saito and louise seem to"get in a good mood",did she does it intentionnaly?Since when did she fall for Saito(if that's the case)and why-did something appened when he rescued her?And it is why she almost get in a fight with louise when siesta had to separe them(i know she kissed him but i tough it was just to make Louise jealous so she could use her power against the golem)?
(sorry if my english suck,hope i was understood).

[DeotoxSlayer]

erm......you shouldn't triple post, just edit your first post.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by asclepios

Thank you for those wondeful summaries;i have a few question about Tabitha(my fav. pers. fem.) but first:who is the hero of ivaldi-someone who really existed or just a tale?And who does compare him to Saito,just you or someone in the novel?

Hero of Ivaldi is just a tale, and Ivaldi himself isn't real.
The novel doesn't directly compare to Saito to him out loud, but while Saito was preparing to rescue her, she was reading the book to her mother, and the events in the book were similar to the ones in real life, just different situations (like in the book, Ivaldi had to face a dragon while Saito faced an Elf, but both to rescue a girl).

Originally Posted by asclepios

and now about Tabitha:
1-How was she rescued?Did guiche and momon managed to get useful for once or was it all Saito and Louise void power again?Didn't Joseph expected her friend to show up?I toughj he would use her as a bait

Tabitha was imprisoned in a castle and the Elf was placed to guard her. The group bought all the wine available near the castle (causing others not to get it) and came to the castle. The soldiers really wanted wine, so they didn't really put up much of a fight and let them in. The girls danced while the soldiers drank the wine, not knowing that it was drugged with a sleeping potion (made by Monmon). There was also a guy in charge of the place, but Kirche took care of him.
After the soldiers fell asleep, the group goes to rescue Tabitha, but of course, the Elf (name feels too hard to type...) appears. And his wonderful "Counter" magic repels all attacks. They managed to win when Louise casted her "Dispel Magic" on Derflinger, and Saito swung it at the Elf. The "Dispel Magic" removed the barrier.
The Elf retreated after seeing this "Demon's/Satan's power" as the Elves call Void.
Guiche and others were useful for other things during the operation to save Tabitha, but only Saito/Louise were useful against the Elf.

I guess maybe Joseph thought that the Elf was strong enough to defeat any intruders.

Originally Posted by asclepios

2-and i almost forgetted the most important:why does she alwais appear when Saito and louise seem to"get in a good mood",did she does it intentionnaly?Since when did she fall for Saito(if that's the case)and why-did something appened when he rescued her?And it is why she almost get in a fight with louise when siesta had to separe them(i know she kissed him but i tough it was just to make Louise jealous so she could use her power against the golem)?
(sorry if my english suck,hope i was understood).

She fell for him ever since being rescued from the castle. Ever since then, she had been very helpful towards Saito (much more cooperative than before), teaching him how to read the words from this world and such.
As for if she interrupts them purposely... Don't know. She had reason to stop them because Colbert was right in the doorway watching them.
It seems she's thinking more like "serve him with her life" rather than "try to win his love". She also rescued him when he was about to be discovered by the girls during the peeking incident (only to faint later because she was afraid of ghosts...)
She got into a fight with Louise because she planned to stay in Saito's room while Louise didn't want that...
Not like she could win against the other two girls...
And because she's so tiny, Saito tends to painfully wonder if it's okay to get excited from such a small girl...

[hchuang]

The main thing in the arsenal includes a famed Tiger tank. Though it would be interesting to see how Saito would use it because he can't operate a tank without a full crew of 5.

[TigerII]

*Cough* Tiger II *Cough*

[DeotoxSlayer]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler for void:

4 Void mages:

Joseph (Gallia King)
Tiffania (Has Albion's royalty's blood)
Victorio/Vittorio <--correct one is which? Mah, doesn't matter (Pope of Romaria)
Louise (Tristain)

Ruby of Fire=Pope (I just call the guy Pope...)
Ruby of Wind=Tiffania
Ruby of Earth=Joseph
Ruby of Water=Louise

4 Void Familiars:

Gandalf (Saito) - Freely use all kinds of arms and weapons, God's left hand
Vindalf (Julio) - Can control all kinds of beasts, God's right hand
Musenitonirun <--Sp? (Sheffield) - Can handle all kinds of magic items, God's brain/head
Unknown/Not recorded Familiar; because Tiffania is the only one to not have a familiar, it's most likely that whoever becomes her familiar would gain the 4th's power


I don't think there are more, since legend states there are 4 of each.

Is there any prerqusite for becoming a Void Sorceror, I mean all of them seem to be of Royal blood, except Louise, also what do the Ruby of's represent, why does Tiffania not have a familiar, do all Void Sorceror's familiars have to be humans, and finally(sorry for all the questions) can you give me any information that was revealed on "The Founder" Brimir.

[longshot]

Originally Posted by hchuang

The main thing in the arsenal includes a famed Tiger tank. Though it would be interesting to see how Saito would use it because he can't operate a tank without a full crew of 5.

im sure guiche, marcone, and some of the other undine knights will learn when saito helps them out a bit.....assuming they dont blow themselves into oblivion learning how the weapons and machine gunz work

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by DeotoxSlayer

Is there any prerqusite for becoming a Void Sorceror, I mean all of them seem to be of Royal blood, except Louise, also what do the Ruby of's represent, why does Tiffania not have a familiar, do all Void Sorceror's familiars have to be humans, and finally(sorry for all the questions) can you give me any information that was revealed on "The Founder" Brimir.

I don't think there are any prerequisites, though it seems that all of the Void mages had a period like Louise where they couldn't do any magic successfully (especially Joseph...) until they realized they could use Void.
Royal Blood does seems be needed though... Considering the greatness of the Vallieres, it isn't impossible for her to have some amount of blood of royalty.

The rubies are the keys to unlocking the spells in the Prayer Book. Void mages can only find spells in it while wearing it. Not sure whether the elements represent their countries. Though Wind logically belongs to Albion.
It's said to be made from the Founder's blood...

Tiffania doesn't have a familiar, because she's lived her whole life in a forest (pretty much) and never went through that Summon Servant ceremony.
If she wants to, I'm sure she'll get a human familiar.

Since all of the rest are humans, I think they all are.

The founder...
Not really much. Just that collecting Void (4 mages, 4 familiars, 4 rings, 4 treaures) unlocks the door to the Holy Land. To the humans, Brimir is all mighty (to the point of religion) and her power a legend, while the Elves consider her power demonic and the gate to the Holy Land as "Satan's Gate".
The only one who possibly knows anything about Brimir is Derflinger, but his memory has rusted...
Or is there a reason why it's rusted...

There are four treaures of the Founder as well, once again, split into four countires:.
Prayer Book (Tristain)
Orgal (Albion)
Censer (Gallia)
Which leaves Romaria. Not sure, but maybe that mirror of the Popes...

Originally Posted by hchuang

The main thing in the arsenal includes a famed Tiger tank. Though it would be interesting to see how Saito would use it because he can't operate a tank without a full crew of 5.

Maybe Saito will use it to blow apart the Jormungants... (Apparently, the name is based off Jörmungandr, but the last syllable is different)

[DeotoxSlayer]

Thanks for answering all my question Serenade. So just confirm these for me there's no real proof that Brimir even existed, if anyone wants to go to the Holy Land then Tiffania would have to get a familiar first, the rubies were apparently made out of Brimir's blood.

So I have three more questions where do the elves live, Does each Ruby only give the owner acess to a section of spell, or do they give them the ability to read all the spells, and is there any info what so ever on the Holy Land (or Satan's Gate if you prefer).

EDIT: sorry just 1 more question for you in the Novel it was said that the founder's familiar was the Gandalfr, so i'm wondering if any of the other 3 void familiars had any connection to Brimir, and also is there a reason that Deflinger's memory has rusted, and how was he connected to Brimir.

Again, i'm really sorry bout all the questions, i'm just quite curious about the Novels since J.C messed up the Anime.

[gabbytay]

Maybe earth itself is the Holy land/Satan's gate? and if indeed earth is the holy land, the pope might try to conquer it which is really stupid. Lol 1 ICMB will take care of the problem

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by DeotoxSlayer

Thanks for answering all my question Serenade. So just confirm these for me there's no real proof that Brimir even existed, if anyone wants to go to the Holy Land then Tiffania would have to get a familiar first, the rubies were apparently made out of Brimir's blood.

So I have three more questions where do the elves live, Does each Ruby only give the owner acess to a section of spell, or do they give them the ability to read all the spells, and is there any info what so ever on the Holy Land (or Satan's Gate if you prefer).

EDIT: sorry just 1 more question for you in the Novel it was said that the founder's familiar was the Gandalfr, so i'm wondering if any of the other 3 void familiars had any connection to Brimir, and also is there a reason that Deflinger's memory has rusted, and how was he connected to Brimir.

Again, i'm really sorry bout all the questions, i'm just quite curious about the Novels since J.C messed up the Anime.

There's no 100% concrete proof, but it is highly likely Brimir existed (proof is Void). Just that it's possible that Brimir isn't what everyone thinks he/she is.
Yeah, seems Tiffania would need to get a familiar first.
Come to think of it, it is highly likely the last familiar has some ability to do with the human heart.
We have "Arms and Weapons" and the opposite of "Magic Items". So "Beast Taming's" opposite is... human heart?
Supposedly, the rubies are made of Brimir's blood.

The Elves live in a place called the "Sahara". Nothing specific is known about this place.
The rubies have to be worn to see spells, but the spells each Void mage can see are different. So the rubies are not so important for the spells learned as the person is. So Louise will not be able to see "World Door", but only she can see "Explosion" or "Dispel Magic." Also, the spells will only appear when the time is right. Though after seeing it once, the mage can use it over and over again without the book.

About the Holy Land:

-Many items from Saito's world was found near this place, according to Julio
-A hint on the way to get back to Saito's world might be found here, according to the Pope.
-6000 years ago (at the same time of Brimir's decent), the land brought forth a great disaster and was sealed. But recently, it has shown activity again (most likely because of the awakening and activity of the present-day Voids).
Random note, but from previous wars between Elves and Humans, it has shown that it takes around 10 humans to defeat 1 Elf.

It seems all four Void familiars fought alongside Brimir.
The reason Derflinger gives for his rusted memory is time passage, but it is unknown whether there are any other reasons.
Derflinger is connected to Brimir in the fact that he was the sword used by the previous Gandalf.

[Vertiful]

Just wanted to conform the fact that Luise has royal blood as mentioned by Henrietta in volume 4

[longshot]

Originally Posted by gabbytay

Maybe earth itself is the Holy land/Satan's gate? and if indeed earth is the holy land, the pope might try to conquer it which is really stupid. Lol 1 ICMB will take care of the problem

if earth is the holyland an the forces of halkegnia try to conquer it, they'll get some holy hell fire from our machine guns,heavy artillery, and explosives...an thats if they survive the missles

[TigerII]

Pff, we humans may kill each other now, but if those from another plane of existence came, you could bet we would unite. Just think of an alliance that consisted of the PLA, US, Russian, and EU...

And if they think they are going to use the vehicles that came from our time years ago..lolz.

The Tiger II was a beast...sisty years ago. Now the old Soviet T-72s could waste them.

It would be a massacre if they tried to fight our plane of existence. While magic is great and all, our technology would rape. An ICBM wouldn't even be needed. Just use a few Daisy Cutters or Cluster Bombs and its all over.


That is one reason I kinda hope we will have an alien invasion. It would unite us. I mean sure we would probably all be killed or turned into slaves, but for one brief moment in our history, we could honestly say the human race was united as one, lol.

[ArchmageXin]

Originally Posted by TigerII

Pff, we humans may kill each other now, but if those from another plane of existence came, you could bet we would unite. Just think of an alliance that consisted of the PLA, US, Russian, and EU...

And if they think they are going to use the vehicles that came from our time years ago..lolz.

The Tiger II was a beast...sisty years ago. Now the old Soviet T-72s could waste them.

It would be a massacre if they tried to fight our plane of existence. While magic is great and all, our technology would rape. An ICBM wouldn't even be needed. Just use a few Daisy Cutters or Cluster Bombs and its all over.


That is one reason I kinda hope we will have an alien invasion. It would unite us. I mean sure we would probably all be killed or turned into slaves, but for one brief moment in our history, we could honestly say the human race was united as one, lol.

They would have to convince themselves to be an creditable military force in the first place and not mistaken for some medival cosplay-renfare thing and get arrested by the police .

Remember, average 10% of the population are noble mages with dragon support. Rest are 18th century archer/cannonteer whatever. In theory an well armed army brigade from any of the Industrial nations can hold them off.

If an poorly made Japanese warplane can make mincemeat out of an entire flight of Dragon Mages, I don't want to see what the Royal Airforce/American Air force can do.

Finally, Magic don't work in this world. So that really leave an army of cos-players against...say the USMC.

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Also, if anyone is bored enough, check Baka-Tsuki's forum. I will be posted an 2-3 page translation every night now, but it is hard for me to control to languages at the same time (I.E trying not to lose the flavor from one to another) so if you can stop by and drop some constructive critique would be very helpful.

[TigerII]

Lol, you are right. I could just imagine the mages trying to cast spells in the London streets and the police coming with their bright vests on telling them to move along.

They try that in Japan and they will be cosplayers, try it in the US and they will be arrested for drunk and disorderly, lol.

O, and the A6M isn't THAT poorly made. It was actually well built for its pecifications. It is just the brass had horrible specifications for them.