US Elections 2016 Part II: The Debates & General Election

[ChuckE]

Originally Posted by Jaden

How about this one? Trump tells people to go vote for him on Nov 28th. Media goes "It's Nov 8th you doofus!!" A weird mistake, or a calculated effort to amplify his true message?

Add this too
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...29194906038272

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by The Green One

You say that like the right doesn't do the EXACT same thing. Pot meet Kettle.

PPl are well aware that the far right push the narrative of "Evil Brown People Flooding The West" (and things such as the terror attacks on countries such as France are NOT helping the thing at all), and "Merkel, Leader of the Illuminati, Want To Create United States Of Europe".

It's just that the narrative pushed by the far left is much more seductive to some ppl because it comfort them in their self-righteousness, but eventually pushed ordinary ppl toward the right, because we are getting (I am asian, mind you) fed up with buzzwords thrown at us.

[ChuckE]

Originally Posted by Sheba

PPl are well aware that the far right push the narrative of "Evil Brown People Flooding The West" (and things such as the terror attacks on countries such as France are NOT helping the thing at all)

Exactly. The hell, people started accepting black people not that long ago and now we expect to accept muslims fast and easy while they are still associated with the terrorism...

Also, refugee's behaviour made a lot of people switch sides in Europe too

[The Green One]

No I understand. I saw a white guy be a bigoted xenophobe, so all white guys are bigoted xenophobes. Makes perfect sense. Everyone gets tared with the same brush.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by The Green One

No I understand. I saw a white guy be a bigoted xenophobe, so all white guys are bigoted xenophobes. Makes perfect sense. Everyone gets tared with the same brush.

You don't need to be a white guy to vote for a bigoted xenophobe.

[James Rye]

I find it funny how Trump uses Twitter to tell May to give Farage the job as US ambassador. How would he react if May told him via Twitter to give somebody like Sanders the job as UK ambassador? Like shouldn't he know that you don't get to chose your ambassador as the country usually tries to get the guy who stands up the most for their own interest in the US and not the US interests?

Also TPP is finished, am curious if this will really bring back millions of jobs or if this will result in a lot of lost money as China pushes into the open trading market in asia now.

[Ayato_kanzaki]

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

That they twist everything into the worse possible light and attack with the most acidic words they can mange?

I mean here a few recent bits from the BBC, that was in overdrive mode before the election.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06ybngz

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38057104

I've yet to see a article on there with a positive thing to say on there. Most of its negative and some of it's really toxic and nasty. Meanwhile Clinton always gets treated as angel who needs to be defended.

The medias where biased toward Trump. They tried to treat this election as a horse race between Trump and Clinton for clics and subscriptions. Hillary's email stuff, as an example, wasn't worth more than a week of headlines. What she did was wrong, but it still was an honest mistake, with no intend to profit from breaking the rules, and no harm was done. The bare handfull of confidential emails was trivial stuff that was classed as such after she had already received and stored them. but did you see the medias announce en-masse that the circus they kept on-going for months was a storm in a teacup? Trump, on the other hand, said and did many things that should have outright disqualified him, but it was more interesting to treat him like a living joke and keep the outrageous headlines going.

Decent journalists would have dug up Trump's history of racism and exposed it for the world to see. Only WaPo did some articles on that.

When people are calling you evil incarnate constantly, I think you have the right to be a little disdainful towards them.

Whining and ranting that some news network used photos of him where his double-chin is showing isn't being disdainful.

[MrTerrorist]

Nigel Farage has accused Downing Street of putting its dislike of him ahead of the national interest after No 10 dismissed Donald Trump's comment that he could be a "great" ambassador.

Doesn't Farage know that it's the UK government not Trump that decides who should be the UK's Ambassador to the US or did he acquired being thin skin from his new friend?

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I wish I was joking, but anyone can go to tumblr and see that kind of projection.

That's not what projection is. Projection was, for example, Trump attacking McCain (after McCain denounced him due to his "grab them by the pussy" remarks) by calling him "Foulmouthed".

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

I've yet to see a article on there with a positive thing to say on there. Most of its negative and some of it's really toxic and nasty. Meanwhile Clinton always gets treated as angel who needs to be defended.

You clearly weren't looking in the slightest if you think Clinton got treated as an angel.

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

When people are calling you evil incarnate constantly, I think you have the right to be a little disdainful towards them.

The President is supposed to be above petty crap like that.

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

And that's the results of the Lefts Project Fear and Loathing. People start freaking out and making up there own nightmares.

This is another good example of projecting, considering the GOP has been doing it for the past 8 years and has people convinced Obama is a muslim and traitor to the country.

Originally Posted by Sheba

It's just that the narrative pushed by the far left is much more seductive to some ppl because it comfort them in their self-righteousness, but eventually pushed ordinary ppl toward the right, because we are getting (I am asian, mind you) fed up with buzzwords thrown at us.

Because "the right" doesn't try to comfort people? "They're colored, they're foreign, they're stealing your jobs, it's THEIR FAULT NOT YOURS!" and all sorts of similar crap. Don't forget their buzzword slinging: muslim, traitor, socialist, communist, fascist (somehow often used together with communist), etc.

Originally Posted by James Rye

Also TPP is finished, am curious if this will really bring back millions of jobs or if this will result in a lot of lost money as China pushes into the open trading market in asia now.

Of course it won't. You can't gain something without giving up something in return, and the TPP being kaput is just maintaining the status quo. Nothing is being exchanged, so nothing will change.

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Nigel Farage has accused Downing Street of putting its dislike of him ahead of the national interest after No 10 dismissed Donald Trump's comment that he could be a "great" ambassador.

Doesn't Farage know that it's the UK government not Trump that decides who should be the UK's Ambassador to the US or did he acquired being thin skin from his new friend?

That's not really being thin-skinned, that's trying to take advantage of a situation.

[Ayato_kanzaki]

Trump's surrogate Kellyanne Conway announced that they wouldn't try to prosecute Hillary.

They probably realized that trying a trial would make obvious to everyone that Benghazi was a load of BS, and it would make them look bad as they can't blame Obama or the medias if they fail.

This leave most Trump fans in full denial, they think it's a ploy to prevent Obama from pardoning her, or that the FBI will prosecute anyway. It's going to be interesting seeing them hop through all ever more ridiculous mental hoops, to avoid the realisation that they were scammed.

[MCAL]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...dd0_story.html

[Key Board]

Don't act as if LBGTQ minorities don't have a legit concern to be afraid of Trump's administration
particularly, Mark Pence

Don't act as if the rise of "vigilante" hate crimes against minorities following Trump's win had nothing to do with him.

[Jaden]

Mike "shock a day keeps the gay away" Pence probably doesn't inspire much confidence, but I don't see gay rights being rolled back as that would be hugely unpopular.

As for this wave of hate crimes...I'm a little bit skeptical, is there any data on this? Other than tame stuff like nasty tweets and graffiti.

[Draco Spirit]

Didn't Trump go to LGBT events in the election to try to persuade people to vote for him, and also I'm pretty sure there been at least talk of a openly gay man joining his team in the White House?

I mean this doesn't exactly scream homophobe to me.

[Magin]

Originally Posted by Ayato_kanzaki

Trump's surrogate Kellyanne Conway announced that they wouldn't try to prosecute Hillary.

They probably realized that trying a trial would make obvious to everyone that Benghazi was a load of BS, and it would make them look bad as they can't blame Obama or the medias if they fail.

This leave most Trump fans in full denial, they think it's a ploy to prevent Obama from pardoning her, or that the FBI will prosecute anyway. It's going to be interesting seeing them hop through all ever more ridiculous mental hoops, to avoid the realisation that they were scammed.

This here... due to my current situation, I'm not hanging around many Trump supporters, but considering how heavily my area is saturated with them, I kinda want to find one and see just how much of meltdown mode they're going into. First Obamacare, and now Clinton... should be interesting to see how Trump supporters are reacting.

[Ithekro]

As the President-elect he can't do any of that until getting into office. As well as finding out how feasable the plans are within the laws.

Waiting also potentially denies a Presidential pardon from Obama.

[Xacual]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Mike "shock a day keeps the gay away" Pence probably doesn't inspire much confidence, but I don't see gay rights being rolled back as that would be hugely unpopular.

As for this wave of hate crimes...I'm a little bit skeptical, is there any data on this? Other than tame stuff like nasty tweets and graffiti.

One of the hate crimes was a false flag by anti-trump idiots who wanted to "show what America would be like under Trump". https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...FKM/story.html This first one got everywhere like the Huffington Post.

Then there's this one.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local...lowTwt_CHBrand

[Key Board]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Mike "shock a day keeps the gay away" Pence probably doesn't inspire much confidence, but I don't see gay rights being rolled back as that would be hugely unpopular.

As for this wave of hate crimes...I'm a little bit skeptical, is there any data on this? Other than tame stuff like nasty tweets and graffiti.

if you don't see it around you, you are not part of this minority who are being targeted

It must be nice

Also, once again people fail to realize that while Trump has not openly said "oppress all xyz"
LOOK AT THE TYPES OF GROUPS COALESCING BEHIND HIM
LOOK AT THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT TRUMP HAS NOMINATED
LOOK HOW THESE GROUPS HAVE BEEN EMBOLDENED BY THIS
LOOK HOW THEIR BIGOTRY IS GETTING MORE NORMALIZED

edit: also Jerry Falwell Jr is being considered for a position in Department of Education

we already have States that practice conversion therapy

can you not see how this terrifies people?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

As the President-elect he can't do any of that until getting into office. As well as finding out how feasable the plans are within the laws.

Waiting also potentially denies a Presidential pardon from Obama.

So let's take your argument seriously for the moment, when would you admit you were mistaken and Trump never planned to prosecute Clinton? That he was lying the entire time to get elected?

Or will you make new excuses for not doing it for the next 4 years?

[Xacual]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

So let's take your argument seriously for the moment, when would you admit you were mistaken and Trump never planned to prosecute Clinton? That he was lying the entire time to get elected?

Or will you make new excuses for not doing it for the next 4 years?

Why are you getting on Ithekro's case? He's said multiple times now that he didn't vote for Trump.