(L) Goblin Slayer [Manga]

[Twi]

The side-tunnel thing is revealed in Chapter 2 of the manga, where we see GS showing Priestess exactly where her previous party screwed up.

A steel helmet being less than leather armor makes sense when you consider the helmet is covering a relatively small (if vital) area while the armor is covering your entire torso.

A ranger wouldn't have done anything once they were deep enough inside that they could get ambushed by both sides or the Hobgoblin or Goblin Shaman. The moment they went inside, they were screwed whether they were careful or not. It's even pointed out later on that you're not supposed to go into the Goblin's Cave if you can help it, you lure them out or destroy it.

Humans in this series as a whole lack night-vision whereas the other races do have it. Lanterns you can put on your belt do exist, but the newbies were flat-broke by the time they went into the cave. Besides, Torches make for great improvised weapons as GS demonstrates.

[francescoG1]

Originally Posted by Twi

A steel helmet being less than leather armor makes sense when you consider the helmet is covering a relatively small (if vital) area while the armor is covering your entire torso.

Another guy who does not realize the real steel armors value in a pre industrial setting. Objectively is very more laborious to create GS helmet with that design than the leather armor and the material costs a lot more. There is nothing plausible in this...

Originally Posted by Twi

It's even pointed out later on that you're not supposed to go into the Goblin's Cave if you can help it, you lure them out or destroy it.

This logic makes sense for GS who was working alone but with a well prepared and experienced party is not impossible. The task of the ranger is to find traps or "understand" the enemy position and type.

[Lhklan]

I had an entire respond write out, but then I thought about it and apply my father's old comment: If it's shit, do you step on it or do you ignore it?

Think whatever you want - I won't lose a single sleep so why bother really - but here's a words of advice to you francescoCG1: Drop the condescending attitude.

Anywho, they're moving to Water Town arc next. Hope the manga actually shows the scar lines on Sword Maiden's body since the illust in the LN is either hard to see or not there.

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by francescoG1

In summer Neanderthal built shelters and whenever possible in the winter they went to the caves. Shelters were constructed in leather with stone or bones base. So you obviously sleep through your history lessons

it seem the one who sleep is you, Neanderthal live in ice age, and while it's true that the main reason why they live in caves is cold, they spend most of their time in caves, the shelter you are talking about is born in late era of Neanderthal where clothing was developed to combat the cold and tool for hunt, and especially, number enough to keep themselves safe, early Neanderthal or Homo erectus, however, don't have such luxury, a tribe of early days can be very small, from 10-20 persons a tribe, the tool aren't near as good, and they are very exact definition of prey, most predator are stronger than them, now view in our case with goblin, we are talking about a small group, not a big horde, a big horde would obviously live in fortress or ruin as shown in the manga, but for small group without such resources, living in the plain is asking themselves to be killed, human occupy most plains, so their choice is in the forest, in the forest, what is the better choice than a cave for a small group who don't have the power to go against a village, and when the horde is big enough, they will assault the village to take for themselves, as shown with the goblin lord

[francescoG1]

Originally Posted by dragon1412

it seem the one who sleep is you, Neanderthal live in ice age, and while it's true that the main reason why they live in caves is cold, they spend most of their time in caves, the shelter you are talking about is born in late era of Neanderthal where clothing was developed to combat the cold and tool for hunt, and especially, number enough to keep themselves safe, early Neanderthal or Homo erectus, however, don't have such luxury, a tribe of early days can be very small, from 10-20 persons a tribe, the tool aren't near as good, and they are very exact definition of prey, most predator are stronger than them, now view in our case with goblin, we are talking about a small group, not a big horde, a big horde would obviously live in fortress or ruin as shown in the manga, but for small group without such resources, living in the plain is asking themselves to be killed, human occupy most plains, so their choice is in the forest, in the forest, what is the better choice than a cave for a small group who don't have the power to go against a village, and when the horde is big enough, they will assault the village to take for themselves, as shown with the goblin lord

Maybe i was not clear but the original doubt was if there are enough large caves for a "significant" (in sufficient numbers to survive) population.


Remains the facts that the first thing to do is destroy these natural or artificial caves (if they do not serve) to reduce goblins problem. Seen how easily are reached it seems that their location is known.

[Twi]

Originally Posted by Lhklan

Anywho, they're moving to Water Town arc next. Hope the manga actually shows the scar lines on Sword Maiden's body since the illust in the LN is either hard to see or not there.

Of course they are. The Manga doesn't skimp on the visual details after all. We'll probably even get a flashback to how they got there.

[francescoG1]

Originally Posted by Twi

We'll probably even get a flashback to how they got there.

As for GS sister I doubt she will actually be raped on "panels" at most some "hint" just like GS sister. For some characters nudity is limited (no nipples) such as cowgirls. This is a strange thing

[Lhklan]

Originally Posted by Twi

Of course they are. The Manga doesn't skimp on the visual details after all. We'll probably even get a flashback to how they got there.

Spoiler:

I hope they go along this line:

When Sword Maiden talks about her past, the manga only saw some glimpses. GS cold rebukes her and wake away, and the next is more intense and graphical images as she slowly sunk into despair... Only for GS words to cut through them, replacing the goblins in her memories with image of him slaughtering the men mass.

[anbu-black-ops]

The year one version is as good as the main manga.

ch 3 of year one showed us a vulnerable GS. It even ended with a great cliffhanger.

[Panzercracker]

Originally Posted by francescoG1

Easier to defend? only if they are few. The battle takes place on a single narrow front (obviously if you are careful). So the numeric advantage can not be used more effectively because of the little space.

Say that to Cu Chi tunnels in Vietnam War. How those tunnels were nightmare to US soldiers.

Disadvantage also apply to adventurers, human don't has night vision like goblin, if they use torch, they can only see close range, while the longer range will become pitch dark due effect of light from torch, because human eyes near the light source, their pupils will close to small holes, thus they can't see the darker area, that is the reason, medieval guards don't stay near fire pit at night. Also, use torch is mean tell goblin that they're coming.

In cramp cave, long and big weapon can't be use, as same as the swordman in the first party of Priestess, his big sword stuck and lead to his death. It will apply to the Greatsword guy and the Spear guy. Also cramp cave will limit agility of adventurers suck as High Elf Archer or big body adventures, while goblins are small, they don't be limited much. This also is the reason most goblin raid usually fall to teenage adventurers or small body people.

[watisit]

Is it just me or does GS's master look like a goblin?

[francescoG1]

Originally Posted by Panzercracker

Say that to Cu Chi tunnels in Vietnam War. How those tunnels were nightmare to US soldiers.

Disadvantage also apply to adventurers, human don't has night vision like goblin, if they use torch, they can only see close range, while the longer range will become pitch dark due effect of light from torch, because human eyes near the light source, their pupils will close to small holes, thus they can't see the darker area, that is the reason, medieval guards don't stay near fire pit at night. Also, use torch is mean tell goblin that they're coming.

In cramp cave, long and big weapon can't be use, as same as the swordman in the first party of Priestess, his big sword stuck and lead to his death. It will apply to the Greatsword guy and the Spear guy. Also cramp cave will limit agility of adventurers suck as High Elf Archer or big body adventures, while goblins are small, they don't be limited much. This also is the reason most goblin raid usually fall to teenage adventurers or small body people.

In a camp in the forest you can not close the entrance and knowing where they will come out, trap or ambushes are easier to "manage". Each village has its cave (natural or artificial) or ruin and their location (often at a short distance) seems to be known(). With a camp in the forest would be more difficult find them. But only GS is smart enough not to use (when not strictly necessary) the classic "method" (go inside and kill even if you are in great disadvantage and perhaps without any particular attention). We have seen when he used these tactics how easy it is to eliminate "hidden" goblins.

Lucky these golins.


"because human eyes near the light source, their pupils will close to small holes, thus they can't see the darker area, that is the reason, medieval guards don't stay near fire pit at night. "

That's why it's stupid to use a torch with a vigorous free flame. If the light is in your filed of vision (Often the torch is held in front of the head and this almost in all fantasy) this is the result.

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Additionally if the torch releases smoke (possibly also oxygen consumption and CO2 saturation) in confined spaces can be problematic. These disadvantages are not sufficient to justify that I can use it as a weapon.

[Twi]

Yeah, don't start that argument again or take it to the PMs.

[MrTerrorist]

Chapter 3 of Year 1 shows GS has a lot to learn when fighting Goblins the first time.

[Twi]

I knew that horn would screw him over. I knew it! Still, being a prequel we know who here will survive and how it'll go down. That being said, I enjoyed watching him learn from his mistakes. If you live you learn, or you die.

[Lhklan]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Chapter 3 of Year 1 shows GS has a lot to learn when fighting Goblins the first time.

Originally Posted by Twi

I knew that horn would screw him over. I knew it! Still, being a prequel we know who here will survive and how it'll go down. That being said, I enjoyed watching him learn from his mistakes. If you live you learn, or you die.

Yeah. It's nice to see GS actually made fundamental basic mistakes and start learning from it, showing that he's actually NOT some super cheat but learned from experiences.

Spoiler for List of things that he did wrong this time:

- Obviously: The horn. As demonstrated, a goblin used those to get to the back of his neck, which isn't protected as much.

- Missing a cave, almost being ambushed.

- Kept the potion in a place where it can easily broke during combat.

- The smells.

- Sword too long and took time to draw.

[francescoG1]

Originally Posted by Lhklan

Spoiler for List of things that he did wrong this time:

- Obviously: The horn. As demonstrated, a goblin used those to get to the back of his neck, which isn't protected as much.

- Missing a cave, almost being ambushed.

- Kept the potion in a place where it can easily broke during combat.

- The smells.

- Sword too long and took time to draw.

You forgot

Spoiler for additional:

GS did not draw the weapon earlier for having it ready. Even his usual sword (the blade should be around 60 cm and looks like a Gladius hispaniensis) would hit the rock. Bad place to draw.

[Panzercracker]

Everyone can foresee his horns will screw him up : )).

[Random14]

Chapter 17 of the main story is out now too. And so their next quest begins.

Originally Posted by Lhklan

Yeah. It's nice to see GS actually made fundamental basic mistakes and start learning from it, showing that he's actually NOT some super cheat but learned from experiences.

Spoiler for List of things that he did wrong this time:

- Obviously: The horn. As demonstrated, a goblin used those to get to the back of his neck, which isn't protected as much.

- Missing a cave, almost being ambushed.

- Kept the potion in a place where it can easily broke during combat.

- The smells.

- Sword too long and took time to draw.

Spoiler for Year One and ch. 17:

I wonder if those were intentional parallels to Priestess' first party, they made most of those mistakes too (except for the helmet thing). Oh no, will Goblin Slayer die?! Yeah, no. Curious how he'll get out of that one. Reminds me a bit of some scenes from Batman Year One, where luck more than anything else let Batman survive his early fights (possibly intentional parallel).

Goblin Slayer probably still doesn't quite get how intimidating to others (regular people and Adventurers) he is, or how reassuring his presence can be. And they arrive at a new town, though the party won't get to meet the quest giver until next time. Priestess always has so many funny expressions.

[Jazzrat]

Glad the side story is exploring GS' past in details that the main line manga alluded to in brief.

As for ch 17, I'm quite surprised how regimented the promotion is like for the adventurer's guild with the personality reviews before they allowed for promotion to higher rank. My original thought would have been just based on merits.

Hope GS would atleast get an OVA in the future. They could take out the rape and it would still make a damn good fantasy anime.