Higurashi - Game Discussion (spoilers lurk here)

[Katsu Koneko]

I watched the first two movies, but the second one was the better of the two.

[xPearse]

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent

You know, I never actually watched any of the Higurashi movies. I heard they weren't very good- Are they worth looking into?

The first one is beeping terrible, mostly due to practically everything. The acting, cinematography, everything. The didn't even attempt the slice of life segments, just dived deep right into suspense all lifted from The Wicker Man. Which takes away from the happiness to tragedy theme the story is meant to have. It also makes me wonder if the director/writer even looked at the source material properly. Example: Rena and Mion take off Keiichi's shirt and wet him down with towels shortly before the scene where he kills them, are you sure this isn't the porn version?

Although, he learned from his many mistakes and actually made a good film with the second. The acting isn't so wooden, everyone is closer to their character designs, there's actual camera work and pacing, music (Something the first lacked heavily in), a bigger budget, and much more you'll notice. In the end, the second one is worth to watch, while the first on the other hand isn't. But, it helps to appreciate the second more if you see how bad the first movie is first.

Originally Posted by Shikou

I liked them the first around of watching them. One thing that suffered was the acting of Rena and Keiichi's actors in the first film. Everyone else seem fine from what I can remember. The acting gets better in the second film making it my favorite of the two films even with my hate of a non-consistent cast Japan sure likes to do for whatever reason.

Ignore comments like "They dont look like them" or "They should have dyed their hair and used eye contacts!" or anything similar. Its poor judgement and ignorant. The movie would have been a lot worse and laughable with cosplay and such making it look like a poor fan-made film a high school student made. Japanese directors prefer the realistic route for majority of live action films like Death Note but nobody seem to understand that because they have their what I like to call "anime nostalgia glasses" on 24/7.

In conclusion, I would say they are worth a watch at least once. The editing may look weird at times but its worth a watch if you got nothing to do. Also, I like the little twist of adding some of the Watanagashi chapter elements in the first film. You'll understand when you see it.

Yeah, anime hair and eyes isn't something that works well in live action. Although I do wonder if the live action porn has the anime hair colors, I'm unsure if you guys even know it exists, do you? Anyway, I actually enjoyed the Death Note live action movies, although I've never saw the series. But, I understand what you mean by "anime nostalgia glasses", they even dubbed the Death Note live action movies with the English dub voice actors which was probably an attempt to draw in that crowd, with terrible results may I add. You'd probably cry or laugh if the Higurashi LA got the same treatment, and also mimicked it like an anime.

[Shikou]

Originally Posted by xPearse

Yeah, anime hair and eyes isn't something that works well in live action. Although I do wonder if the live action porn has the anime hair colors, I'm unsure if you guys even know it exists, do you? Anyway, I actually enjoyed the Death Note live action movies, although I've never saw the series. But, I understand what you mean by "anime nostalgia glasses", they even dubbed the Death Note live action movies with the English dub voice actors which was probably an attempt to draw in that crowd, with terrible results may I add. You'd probably cry or laugh if the Higurashi LA got the same treatment, and also mimicked it like an anime.

I've seen a lot of live actions. I wouldn;t consider the NANA live action to have cosplay because in the manga and anime it has realistic characters and based on real world Tokyo. The Sailor Moon live action uses cosplay when they transform and it actually makes more sense for them to do so because unlike the anime and manga its easier to hide your identity with different colored hair and a costume on. The characters of the Dark Kingdom uses cosplay as well and the show IS targeted to kids just as the anime was. What I meant by "anime nostalgia glasses" was that fans of a certain anime do not like change. For example, I know many people online and in real life that complained about Misa Amane not being blond in the Death Note live action films while in the manga and anime shes blond but not in the live action and hate the live action films calling it a failed attempt of making a Death Note live action JUST for that reason alone which I think is a stupid and childish reason to begin with.

I honestly prefer live actions over their anime iterations because its realistic making the fantasy a lot more fun and real if I so happen to come up with one. Being a fan of Death Note since it first came out here in the U.S. on Adult Swim I was really excited to know about the live actions and enjoyed them a lot. Its honestly what got me into Japanese cinema and Japanese culture with TV dramas and such. I own just about everything there is to Death Note from the anime series, live actions, to the video games for the DS. I really liked how Viz Media got the voice actors from the anime to Dub the films. Every single of my Death Note stuff are officially licensed with the exception of the video games that were never localized unfortunately.

Oops, I accidentally wrote a book again. My bad

[xPearse]

Yeah, some live action adaption can be good but they tend to suck most of the time, mostly due to them failing to properly adapt the source material onto the big screen the right way. And I know some liberties have to be taken but its always the wrong ones, Space Battleship Yamato, Space Battleship Yamato, Space Battleship Yamato, Space Battleship Yamato, Space Battleship Yamato, did I go there? Heck, even the Cromartie High live action adaption was better. Although, I would never say I prefer the live action adaptions over their anime counterparts, because they mostly don't work. Its like trying to say Fate\Stay Night would have worked out better as a live action TV show than an anime or visual novel. Maybe if it was similar to the Highlander TV series, that could work.

Anyway, on a side note, I plan to make a fan game in the future (Duke Nukem soon) and just recently finished writing the first day. Could you guys tell me what you think? Its essentially fan fiction but I'm just looking for some input so judge harshly if you wish.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

[Klashikari]

Okay, I'm losing my patience here. Enough is enough.

I've cleaned up the thread once again.

Frankly, I see no relevency whatsoever regarding the discussion at hand, considering this is about 1) a patch that make uses of non legal material 2) a french translation, while this is an English board.
Let me put this bluntly: I see no point to discuss such kind of topic here, as it is practically offtopic when we consider the purpose of this thread.

Any discussion regarding the above will be deleted.

[Observer1994]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Okay, I'm losing my patience here. Enough is enough.

I've cleaned up the thread once again.

Frankly, I see no relevency whatsoever regarding the discussion at hand, considering this is about 1) a patch that make uses of non legal material 2) a french translation, while this is an English board.
Let me put this bluntly: I see no point to discuss such kind of topic here, as it is practically offtopic when we consider the purpose of this thread.

Any discussion regarding the above will be deleted.

Well, that shouldn't minimize any participation in the forum. Good job. Look, I know you’re doing your job. But I’m not the one who bites their tongue, in fear of being be permanently ban because my comment might get on a mod’s bad side.

You said YOU see no point to discuss such topics here; yet I see other members having a discussion in regards to Higurashi. The french translation, for example. Thus, I ask you this, if such discussions contain no relevancy, then what can and cannot be discussed here?

[Shikou]

Originally Posted by Observer1994

then what can and cannot be discussed here?

From what I read last time it was said that we cant talk about patches in general. We cant talk about making one here and we cant talk about sprite patches too because it uses copyrighted material.

[Daisu]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Okay, I'm losing my patience here. Enough is enough.

I've cleaned up the thread once again.

We are unable to have new threads created to discuss facets of our fandom, we are stuck with two threads here to discuss anything.

There are people who first language is not English and news of different translations shouldn't be stifled. Manga gamer was able to do new sprites which are redos of alchemists, French translation got LEGAL permission for all its stuff, why can't French do redos then like how Mangagamer did? French version is more to the original because the English release were too lazy to get all the copyrights and person who made the French version was more of fan to higurashi, so people might have a better chance of understanding French then Japanese and want a more to the original story.

Maybe someone can point me to where an actual higurashi forum is?

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Observer1994

You said YOU see no point to discuss such topics here; yet I see other members having a discussion in regards to Higurashi. The french translation, for example. Thus, I ask you this, if such discussions contain no relevancy, then what can and cannot be discussed here?

Shikou pretty much summed what I already stated.
Any discussion relevant to the game is allowed, provided it isn't about anything that breach the forums rules.
Whereas discussion about another language is already iffy at best considering the context of the said thread, discussions regarding the sprites that are stolen from copyrighted material are the main issue.

As far as it goes, I never deleted or prevented people to discuss about mangagamers' new sprites whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Daisu

We are unable to have new threads created to discuss facets of our fandom, we are stuck with two threads here to discuss anything.

That's because there is arguably nothing much you have to discuss, save the actual games (there isn't any anime material left whatsoever).

There are people who first language is not English and news of different translations shouldn't be stifled.

Translations discussions aren't meant to take precedence to the core discussion topic. Furthermore, there is no point to discuss about this when the involved person isn't even present (as in, the french translator). It is completely nonsensical to discuss about a translation that won't be changed by the person who mentioned it (theguraguraman), and even moreso when the said person stubbornly claim they won't do anything about it.

Manga gamer was able to do new sprites which are redos of alchemists, French translation got LEGAL permission for all its stuff, why can't French do redos then like how Mangagamer did?

Pierre Bancov, the french translator of Higurashi, didn't proceed with any contract with Alchemist, the japanese company who own the rights for the PS2/DS games. Likewise, the official french releases of the games do not have any "PS2 sprite version".
Which means that, similar to a certain umineko patch, the "festival" patch is a patch that illegaly use alchemist sprites. In other words, it is plainly piracy, which is forbidden on our forums.

Bear in mind that there is a reason why 07th expansion do not release their games with these sprites: these are strictly the property of Alchemist, which is one of the main selling points of the console versions of Higurashi.

So no, there is no way such patch is anything legal, unless there is evidence that Alchemist allowed such practice.

[07th]

Oh well, glad i was lazy with sending the e-mail, since it would be difficult to explain what discussion i meant now.
On the other hand, it feels too much of a bother now to type everything again...

[xPearse]

Too bad we can't talk about GuraGura's Festival patch or have updates about it anymore. Anyway, I've got a question. I'm just curious but does anyone know Ryukishi07's real name? I mean, it's not like it's Hashimoto Needles or anything like that. Although, I guess maybe he doesn't want people to know.

[Klashikari]

Most authors in japan use a pen name, and their real name is rarely disclosed. Ryuukishi isn't an exception to that rule, so aside of his personal acquaintance and the likes, there is no way to know.

At least, we know what Ryuukishi07 looks like, while people like Nasu are pretty much a mystery in that regard.

[Levani]

I bet he does that because he knows his fans are capable of kidnapping him and demanding answers for Umineko or taking him hostage and force him to write the next When they Cry.

[xPearse]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Most authors in japan use a pen name, and their real name is rarely disclosed. Ryuukishi isn't an exception to that rule, so aside of his personal acquaintance and the likes, there is no way to know.

At least, we know what Ryuukishi07 looks like, while people like Nasu are pretty much a mystery in that regard.

Oh right, I just thought he didn't want people to know.

Originally Posted by Levani

I bet he does that because he knows his fans are capable of kidnapping him and demanding answers for Umineko or taking him hostage and force him to write the next When they Cry.

Hur hur hur, probably true. Although if that were the case, Anno would have been kidnapped long ago. Anyway, too bad no info came out from Comiket (Since he never went) about his next project. However I do wonder what it will be about, any info other than it will be in space?

[Mr. Dent]

Originally Posted by xPearse

Anyway, too bad no info came out from Comiket (Since he never went) about his next project. However I do wonder what it will be about, any info other than it will be in space?

Well, we know it's another one-off game, and from what I've heard, it features three different intertwining stories, with only one taking place in space. Also, it features the return of Ryukishi's beautiful sprites, and I don't think it's going to be another horror game.

[Levani]

Sci-fi and Ryukishi's sprites, what a nightmare in a cute way. Can't wait.

[xPearse]

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent

Well, we know it's another one-off game, and from what I've heard, it features three different intertwining stories, with only one taking place in space. Also, it features the return of Ryukishi's beautiful sprites, and I don't think it's going to be another horror game.

Sounds interesting, too bad we'll probably have to wait until the next Comiket for news on it. Do you think he will release it in the summer or winter, or even next year maybe?

[Mr. Dent]

Originally Posted by xPearse

Sounds interesting, too bad we'll probably have to wait until the next Comiket for news on it. Do you think he will release it in the summer or winter, or even next year maybe?

It was originally going to be released at the final Comiket last year, but was delayed. It'll probably be released this Summer.

[GrAVit]

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent

Well, we know it's another one-off game, and from what I've heard, it features three different intertwining stories, with only one taking place in space. Also, it features the return of Ryukishi's beautiful sprites, and I don't think it's going to be another horror game.

But his sprites make it a horror game on their own. xddddd
Ok, bad joke. lol

Any ideas when it'll be out?
EDIT: Welp, ninja'd.

[Shikou]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Most authors in japan use a pen name, and their real name is rarely disclosed. Ryuukishi isn't an exception to that rule, so aside of his personal acquaintance and the likes, there is no way to know.

At least, we know what Ryuukishi07 looks like, while people like Nasu are pretty much a mystery in that regard.

I dont blame him though. If people knew his identity people would probably send him a shrink for his works in Higurashi and Umineko. Or maybe people he knew would be scared of him and has done all of this in the dark. I kinda want to know his mental status as weird as that sounds. If I were to do something like that I would totally use a fake name on just about everything so it would be hard to track me down (I actually am currently in the process of making my own VN atm). Its not totally uncommon that people use a fake name regardless of where you are. Even English voice actors use a fake name completely different from their birth given name.