Meine Liebe

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by DaFool

This is the expanded version, hope it covers all holes:

Cute girls attract both males and females.
Cute girls making out attract both males and females.
Cute girls in mecha attract males, but by also making out they attract the females as well.
Cute boys attract only females.
Cute boys making out repels males.
Those who are gay go for the live-action.
Thus the disparity.

I also like Fushigi Yugi, Harukanaru (just a bit), Ayashi no Ceres (very much) Good plot does tend to equalize things. I'm talking about the ratio of shows being put out and the initial target audience.

I disagree. I know plenty of gay guys who love, say, Gravitation, and plenty of straight guys who find Kyou Kara Maou utterly hilarious. There are also many, many girls who find female homosexuality repellent--I'm not one of them, but women aren't nearly as open-minded as you might think... they're just generally less judgmental than most males seem to be.

Your comment about mecha anime covers exactly one show that I can think of--Kannaduki no Miko. In the past, women have been drawn to mecha shows because of... guess what! The cute boys. Just look at the huge female fanbase for series like Gundam Wing, Gundam SEED and even Soukyuu no Fafner (undertones? what undertones?).

This is a lot more simple than you're making it out to be. Even Marimite is easily recognizable as shoujo, thanks to the fact that it focuses on the characters' feelings for each other rather than on their breasts. I can tell you confidently that the initial target audience of YamiBou, Kannaduki no Miko, Uta~Kata, etc. was most definitely not girls.

@Fellini: That's great news! Thanks!

@dreamless: Those are some awesome screenshots.

[ChibiDusk]

I finally watched the RAW! Understand so little, but...yeah, hehe.
I actually prefer the Op to the ED, it has a see-saw feeling (it's not though, is it ;_

[MartAnimE]

YAY I finally watched the raw (thanks to Fellini ) I really liked it, and I was also surprised I could understand so much from the raw, maybe my japanese is improving

Spoiler:

So we have this main character Orpheu (the blond guy) who lost his girlfriend, who tragically died in an accident and whose death still troubles him at night, and Ludwig (the blue haired creepy eyed guy), his rival, who seems to be a very important figure around school and apparently owns a sindicate of followers of his own. Then we have each character's friends... The orange coloured messed up hair guy (whose name I didn't get) who seems to be Orpheu's childhood friend (accordingly with the next episode preview) and seems very close to him, and, another of Orpheus close friends, the flower sensitive kid who talks to flowers

Originally Posted by Magus IX

When I first saw Camus in the greenhouse, I immediately thought "omg! It's the Rose Bride!"

I thought the same On Ludwig's side we have that other guy which practices kendo and seems to be a very wise person, and that other brown hair kid who seemed to me that kinda worships Ludwig for some reason... Then there's this mysterius man with the glasses and a light beard, which doesn't seem to be involved with the school, but looks like he's plotting something... maybe he's the real bad guy
The OP/ED were kinda lame in my opinion, especially the OP... The songs just don't seem to fit the mood of this show, what were they thinking?
The overall style of this show imediately reminded me of Utena, I mean, the opening theme with the the main character riding an white horse, the school who looks like the palace of Versailles, the uniforms the boys wear (some of them wear capes, I don't know if it's some kind of hierarchichal structure, but Orpheu and Camus had a cape and the orange hair guy didn't), they even have the greenhouse with the "rose bride" And the episode kinda ended with a duel between Orpheu and Ludwig. Orpheu was in some kind of desagreament with Ludwig during the first half of the episode (something I couldn't understand) and ended up challenging him for a duel, then the kenpo guy stopped them, but they both ended up hurt (just a scratch on the arm actually ). Camus was healing Orpheu's arm and kenpo guy was healing Ludwig's... I wonder what that means...
This is definetly Bee-Train's male revenge the important girl gets killed on the first scene and not many other appear during the episode, even figurant students are mostly male

I'm rooting for the sub, I just hope I can get used to the crappy music

[dreamless]

Originally Posted by MartAnimE

YAY I finally watched the raw (thanks to Fellini ) I really liked it, and I was also surprised I could understand so much from the raw, maybe my japanese is improving

Spoiler:

So we have this main character Orpheu (the blond guy) who lost his girlfriend, who tragically died in an accident and whose death still troubles him at night, and Ludwig (the blue haired creepy eyed guy), his rival, who seems to be a very important figure around school and apparently owns a sindicate of followers of his own. Then we have each character's friends... The orange coloured messed up hair guy (whose name I didn't get) who seems to be Orpheu's childhood friend (accordingly with the next episode preview) and seems very close to him, and, another of Orpheus close friends, the flower sensitive kid who talks to flowers I thought the same On Ludwig's side we have that other guy which practices kendo and seems to be a very wise person, and that other brown hair kid who seemed to me that kinda worships Ludwig for some reason... Then there's this mysterius man with the glasses and a light beard, which doesn't seem to be involved with the school, but looks like he's plotting something... maybe he's the real bad guy
The OP/ED were kinda lame in my opinion, especially the OP... The songs just don't seem to fit the mood of this show, what were they thinking?
The overall style of this show imediately reminded me of Utena, I mean, the opening theme with the the main character riding an white horse, the school who looks like the palace of Versailles, the uniforms the boys wear (some of them wear capes, I don't know if it's some kind of hierarchichal structure, but Orpheu and Camus had a cape and the orange hair guy didn't), they even have the greenhouse with the "rose bride" And the episode kinda ended with a duel between Orpheu and Ludwig. Orpheu was in some kind of desagreament with Ludwig during the first half of the episode (something I couldn't understand) and ended up challenging him for a duel, then the kenpo guy stopped them, but they both ended up hurt (just a scratch on the arm actually ). Camus was healing Orpheu's arm and kenpo guy was healing Ludwig's... I wonder what that means...
This is definetly Bee-Train's male revenge the important girl gets killed on the first scene and not many other appear during the episode, even figurant students are mostly male

I'm rooting for the sub, I just hope I can get used to the crappy music

Well, actually

Spoiler:

the girl died at the start is Orpherus' sister who was about to get married at that time. And Camus is actually blood-related to Ludwig, so he really wants Orpherus and Ludwig to get along. that guy with glasses is definitely evil, he manipulated one of Ludwig's followers to spread talks about Eduard's mother being a commoner, so Eduard is not a proper aristocrat and should be expelled from the school (Eduard is that orange haired guy who is Orpherus' best friend). Orpherus got enraged and think that it's Ludwig who planned all this, thus challenging him to a duel. In the end the duel is stopped by Naoji and Ludwig told that follower of his who started all this mess to never appear in front of him again.

Originally Posted by ChibiDusk

I finally watched the RAW! Understand so little, but...yeah, hehe.
I actually prefer the Op to the ED, it has a see-saw feeling (it's not though, is it ;_

After watching the OP for the seventh time or so, I'm already starting to like that song, now that is fast

I love the ED mostly because of the animation, and I love all those different family insignia. So it seems Ludwig's insignia is a eagle, Eduard's is a lion, Naoji's is a coin, Camus' is a... rose? or some kind of plant? Orpherus' is actually a two-headed dragon it seems...

For the OP my favorite scene is Orpherus dueling Ludwig with golden swords

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by dreamless

After watching the OP for the seventh time or so, I'm already starting to like that song, now that is fast

Ahaha, me too! Jeez, I'm such a flip-flopper....

Anyway, thanks for clarifying several points about what actually happened during the episode. From the next ep preview, it seems that

Spoiler:

Eduard is going to reunite with a female childhood friend... the images aren't much to go by, though. I think we'll also get to see little Orpherus.

[MartAnimE]

Originally Posted by dreamless

Well, actually

Spoiler:

the girl died at the start is Orpherus' sister who was about to get married at that time. And Camus is actually blood-related to Ludwig, so he really wants Orpherus and Ludwig to get along. that guy with glasses is definitely evil, he manipulated one of Ludwig's followers to spread talks about Eduard's mother being a commoner, so Eduard is not a proper aristocrat and should be expelled from the school (Eduard is that orange haired guy who is Orpherus' best friend). Orpherus got enraged and think that it's Ludwig who planned all this, thus challenging him to a duel. In the end the duel is stopped by Naoji and Ludwig told that follower of his who started all this mess to never appear in front of him again.

Spoiler:

sister you say? I see...

Thanks for clarifying that for me! You understood a deal more than I did so...

Spoiler:

with who was Orpherus's sister about to get maried at the time? Ludwig maybe? What is the blood relation between Camus and Ludwig? cousins or something? Now I understand... that brown haired kid who worships Ludwig was the one who spread the talks about Eduard, right? About the guy with glasses and light beard that I mentioned... I wasn't talking about that one who manipulated the brown haired kid, I was talking about that guy who appears at 11 minutes who was outside the school on a cafe... do you know more about him?

I'm trying to become "tolerant" with the Opening Theme, but the first 6 seconds of it really bother me...

[clem-kun]

I actually adore the OP theme. Has an Arabic kind of feel, which fits the European mood of this anime. I haven't played the game, but I understand the anime, and am willing to help calrify any questions.

Spoiler:

1. We don't know who Robertine (Orpherus' sister) is getting married to.
2. The guy with glasses... which one? There are many. Are you talking about their creepy teacher?

[dreamless]

Originally Posted by MartAnimE

Spoiler:

with who was Orpherus's sister about to get maried at the time? Ludwig maybe? What is the blood relation between Camus and Ludwig? cousins or something? Now I understand... that brown haired kid who worships Ludwig was the one who spread the talks about Eduard, right? About the guy with glasses and light beard that I mentioned... I wasn't talking about that one who manipulated the brown haired kid, I was talking about that guy who appears at 11 minutes who was outside the school on a cafe... do you know more about him?

Spoiler:

well, I don't remember it has ever mentioned who was the guy his sister is about to get married with, nor about the detail of the blood relation between Ludwig or Camus... yup the brown haired kid is the one got manipulated... about that one with glasses and light beard, I think he's Sir Issac, one of the main characters, guess he'll have more importance later...

[MartAnimE]

Originally Posted by clem-kun

Spoiler:

1. We don't know who Robertine (Orpherus' sister) is getting married to.

Spoiler:

I got that part, I was kinda joking but she could be engaged to one of his school mates... they're all noble families right? And, since this is supposed to take place some centuries ago, parents would normally engage their children with another noble families children...

Originally Posted by clem-kun

Spoiler:

2. The guy with glasses... which one? There are many. Are you talking about their creepy teacher?

Spoiler:

Am I expressing myself wrong? I'm talking about the guy who wears round glasses and has kind of a beard (actually, is more like he doesn't shave for 1 day or 2 ) he's one of the 6 main characters according to the Opening Theme... he appears at 11 minutes, he's at a cafe and is talking to an waitress...

[MartAnimE]

Originally Posted by dreamless

Spoiler:

about that one with glasses and light beard, I think he's Sir Issac, one of the main characters, guess he'll have more importance later...

Spoiler:

yes, you got who I meant... so... Sir Issac... Newton??? just fooling around... He seems to know it all, doesn't he?

[clem-kun]

Originally Posted by MartAnimE

Spoiler:

yes, you got who I meant... so... Sir Issac... Newton??? just fooling around... He seems to know it all, doesn't he?

Spoiler:

He's apparently a writer of some sort, and not a native to the land. He's searching for something, but of course we are not informed as to what. And yes, he is a main character. Sir Isaac Cavendish to be exact.

[heerogf]

where did u guys dl the raw??

[clem-kun]

Himitsu desu.

[heerogf]

LOL, thanks, i found it anyway. Can't wait for the sub to come out.

[auriya]

Torrent for the raw: http://bt1.greedland.net/download.php?btId=112836

The principal looks like a combination of Hagrid and the Cowardly Lion. Hairy beard, effeminate hair.

I love the character designs and animation, but they spent a lot of time talking in this episode so (since I don't know Japanese) most of the plot went over my head. Oh well; there was a swordfight, and that's enough to make me happy.

As for the time being 1935 and something about the approach of war...does that mean WWII? Since the setting is an imaginary island/country, and the show doesn't seem very historically accurate in general, I'm a little worried if they plan to connect it to the real world...

[clem-kun]

Nope. Not WWII, at least not that I know of. Seems like the major plot is a battle for the highest social class Strahll. Very political anime...

[dreamless]

I'm not sure how much this show tries to relate to the real world, it has Naoji coming from Japan and practicing Kendou. I think it will connect to the real world about the same way as the other BeeTrain animes. For example in Madlax, it occurs in Gazth-Sonika and Nafrece, both fictional countries, but supposedly in the real world.

[Fellini 8.5]

Originally Posted by clem-kun

I actually adore the OP theme. Has an Arabic kind of feel, which fits the European mood of this anime.

Hmm, for me it's kind of a "No Doubt" feel from just before Gwen went hyperpop and they still used a ska backbeat. Without the horn section, though. The end has a slight taste of lounge to it, but it seems more straight-ahead J-Pop. It wasn't quite what I expected, and I'm still not 100% sure about them in the context of this show.

I'm really appreciating the incidental music, though. It blends in pretty well, but it's not just canned background soundtrack. Usually Mashimo has the music in-your-face and an integral part of the foreground. This time, it's a more classic kind of scoring that plays it's role more subtley, yet it still has presence. Quality stuff.

I had blogged some of my initial impressions upon first seeing the raw; now that I've been through it with a better quality raw, I'm going to have to watch it through with all the dialouge and revisit that review. I think I need to say more about how good the colors are, at the very least.

[MartAnimE]

Do you have any informationon on the characters ages? They seem to be in Highschool but they don't look like they're only 17 (the more developed characters I mean), though that's a normal thing in anime then we have Camus and that other "brown haired kid who worships Ludwig" (who is not really a main character since he doesn't appear on the OP )who look much younger... and the other main character Sir Issac is an older guy, definetly not school aged...

Also... I've heard it several times and the OP still sucks imo, not because is j-pop, but because is lame j-pop... maybe I'll like it better once they sub the episode and I understand what the hell are they singing...

[Dagger]

This is probably going to sound a little weird, but has anyone else noticed that Bee Train is particularly good at animating blinking? In both Avenger and Madlax, and now Meine Liebe, the characters' winking, blinking, etc. looks unusually smooth.