(L) Maou no Hajimekata

[SoloPanda]

Originally Posted by Slaine

I don't understand either because I hate this MC. I can't smile.

I love Dark Fantasy. That being said, I just don't understand the appeal of these kinds of characters when cast in the role of protagonist. The MC would make a great villain but to follow him and similar characters on their journeys of evil... I just have no interest. I can't sympathize or cheer them on in any way. I'm always left wanting someone to foil these characters or for justice to be meted out in some manner.

Who exactly is the target audience here? People who derive pleasure from all sorts of wickedness that can't actually be carried out without consequence? Are these types of works representative of some outlet for frustration dialed up to the max?

Though I'm not going to root for a sociopathic serial killer in reality(I think most decent people would share my view on that), suddenly showing the same kind of evil in a fictitious setting doesn't actually change my feelings towards said actions/behavior. I simply can't find it amusing. I always find myself reading this kind of material with a cold heart hoping for the delivery of some much needed comeuppance.

I have a clear division of right and wrong, so when I'm confronted with a protagonist like the one in this story... There is no possible way to gloss over their moral shortcomings.

All that said, I can appreciate the story and how the characters acquire the title of 'Maou' and the like but it would be infinitely more palatable if there were a heroic figure as well. Someone to actually care about.

Well, sorry... I suppose? I personally enjoy it and I think my moral sensibility is pretty reasonable so I don't think being in the target audience makes me any more unstable than the next person. I'm sure most of the people enjoying the story aren't the types who revel in the suffering of others. Though I understand your disdain for such stories because I generally feel the same about darker stories and prefer lighter comedy or heroic stories but to each his own.

[Stinkt]

Originally Posted by Slaine

I don't understand either because I hate this MC. I can't smile.

I love Dark Fantasy. That being said, I just don't understand the appeal of these kinds of characters when cast in the role of protagonist. The MC would make a great villain but to follow him and similar characters on their journeys of evil... I just have no interest. I can't sympathize or cheer them on in any way. I'm always left wanting someone to foil these characters or for justice to be meted out in some manner.

Who exactly is the target audience here? People who derive pleasure from all sorts of wickedness that can't actually be carried out without consequence? Are these types of works representative of some outlet for frustration dialed up to the max?

Though I'm not going to root for a sociopathic serial killer in reality(I think most decent people would share my view on that), suddenly showing the same kind of evil in a fictitious setting doesn't actually change my feelings towards said actions/behavior. I simply can't find it amusing. I always find myself reading this kind of material with a cold heart hoping for the delivery of some much needed comeuppance.

I have a clear division of right and wrong, so when I'm confronted with a protagonist like the one in this story... There is no possible way to gloss over their moral shortcomings.

All that said, I can appreciate the story and how the characters acquire the title of 'Maou' and the like but it would be infinitely more palatable if there were a heroic figure as well. Someone to actually care about.

I think its better for you to stop reading this, cause so far i didnt read the MC having real troubles when doing bad things. The heroic figures got trashed...

[MrTerrorist]

Since we are talking about dark sexual themes.....

Here's an interview with the guy who started Fakku, the hentai site turned legitimate about the various types of Hentai and whether some of them are ok or not.

[jpidz69]

Originally Posted by Slaine

I don't understand either because I hate this MC. I can't smile.

I love Dark Fantasy. That being said, I just don't understand the appeal of these kinds of characters when cast in the role of protagonist. The MC would make a great villain but to follow him and similar characters on their journeys of evil... I just have no interest. I can't sympathize or cheer them on in any way. I'm always left wanting someone to foil these characters or for justice to be meted out in some manner.

Who exactly is the target audience here? People who derive pleasure from all sorts of wickedness that can't actually be carried out without consequence? Are these types of works representative of some outlet for frustration dialed up to the max?

Though I'm not going to root for a sociopathic serial killer in reality(I think most decent people would share my view on that), suddenly showing the same kind of evil in a fictitious setting doesn't actually change my feelings towards said actions/behavior. I simply can't find it amusing. I always find myself reading this kind of material with a cold heart hoping for the delivery of some much needed comeuppance.

I have a clear division of right and wrong, so when I'm confronted with a protagonist like the one in this story... There is no possible way to gloss over their moral shortcomings.

All that said, I can appreciate the story and how the characters acquire the title of 'Maou' and the like but it would be infinitely more palatable if there were a heroic figure as well. Someone to actually care about.

If you don't like it then go read another title..

[Riz]

humm~ humm~
chapter 2 eng ver. is out~

[MrTerrorist]

Also the 3rd chapter raw is out as well.

Spoiler for ch3 raw:

The Maou's "corruption" to the female hero did happen but the succubus join in as well.
Also her fall to the dark side didn't make her look like a yandere, it was more like she was hurt and despair over the villagers who betray her.

[Stinkt]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Also the 3rd chapter raw is out as well.

Spoiler for ch3 raw:

The Maou's "corruption" to the female hero did happen but the succubus join in as well.
Also her fall to the dark side didn't make her look like a yandere, it was more like she was hurt and despair over the villagers who betray her.

Where? (pm)
comic-valk only shows ch1 and 2 to me.


Its so refreshing seeing Maou MC doing bad things...

[SoloPanda]

You can probably find the raw in various places on the internet but comic Valkyrie has a release for subscribers. They release a magazine with various stories like jump does online and in paperback. I think you have to be a subscriber to read it though. The individual story section gets updated at a later date I believe.

That was a nice little trick there that cute hero didn't stand a chance. Also I wasn't quite sure about the second set of villagers but

Spoiler for Villagers:

I know the first group that were living happily and accepting the blessing of the Maou where being manipulated by the Succubus, but did the second group that were attacking the hero doing that of their own free will? if they were being manipulated then that was a nice little trick by the Maou but if they were biting the hand that feeds them by attacking the hero then they had it coming anyway. Also being a roaming goblin sucks. Random succubus makes you do her work in passing.

All in all the capture and manipulation of the hero was a cute, fun, and interesting couple of chapters ... My moral values are still firmly in place I swear!! >_<

[haseo0408]

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

If I had read a description of his actions in chapter 1 and 2 before reading them I would have never opened it out of fear of needing brain bleach to get rid of the feeling. However, I read it and liked it because while he does terrible things the presentation is not done in a manner that would make me rage (at least from the first two chapters which is all I've read)

On another note it is nice to finally see a Maou who isn't a "good guy" that had to do, easily excusable, bad things from a certain point of view. I mean this guy considers humanity his enemy and has given humans pretty good reason to feel the same way about him. The Maou being a nice guy in disguise was fun about the first 20 or so times and I still enjoy it when it's done well. Sometimes though I just wanna see a Maou be a Maou and do some real evil.

I get what you mean, you can enjoy the story without overly sick for what he´s doing and the fact he was not always like that helps a lot. When you want to create a good villian you don´t give him a fruedan excuse, when a creator wants to give life to someone truly terriffying you do it in a way that makes the reader/viewer feel that in those cicunstances he would have taken the same path a label mankind as worthless.

In this case the MC betrayed and I freel there is sometyhing more horrible behind it all. Other examples are like Magneto that after some quality time in a nazi concentration camp lost all faith in humans and I don´t blame the poor bastard.

[darkofficer]

chapter 3 is also translated

[Daryl]

I'm liking this MC more and more. He's a pretty good schemer.

[SoloPanda]

I was told to believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see. It seems that this is not cautious enough when dealing with a Maou. I still kind of think that those villagers had it coming because Lilu only spurred them to violence and her mind control doesn't seem to be able to force someone to do something that isn't already in their hearts. Which seems to imply that all the rage and blame they had towards Yunis was already there, it was just amplified. I found it amusing how he took all the evil on himself at the end there. In this manner it justifies to Yunis why she will be seeing him doing so much evil himself in the future, because he's just doing the evil so that others wont have to. This also gives her an excuse to do evil, because she wants to decrease his burden and make it so that he doesn't have to do everything himself. Of course this part is just speculation but it sets things up nicely for possible future encounters when Yunis takes part in evil acts as a fallen hero.

[XFire]

.................I'm okay with this, and I'm NOT okay with that

[SoloPanda]

Originally Posted by XFire

.................I'm okay with this, and I'm NOT okay with that

I'm sorry this riddle is too hard for me please tell me the meaning oh great sphinx

[haseo0408]

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

I was told to believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see. It seems that this is not cautious enough when dealing with a Maou. I still kind of think that those villagers had it coming because Lilu only spurred them to violence and her mind control doesn't seem to be able to force someone to do something that isn't already in their hearts. Which seems to imply that all the rage and blame they had towards Yunis was already there, it was just amplified. I found it amusing how he took all the evil on himself at the end there. In this manner it justifies to Yunis why she will be seeing him doing so much evil himself in the future, because he's just doing the evil so that others wont have to. This also gives her an excuse to do evil, because she wants to decrease his burden and make it so that he doesn't have to do everything himself. Of course this part is just speculation but it sets things up nicely for possible future encounters when Yunis takes part in evil acts as a fallen hero.

Ok this guy is a horrible human being, that being said, I´m starting to like this bastard, mainly because how crazy prepared he is for every situation. In this site called Tv Tropes I found a Guide for Evil Overlords which details what to do to win over the heros and I think Aur read the guide and added a cople hundred advices to the original 100 steps.

[kaikalaila]

Originally Posted by haseo0408

Ok this guy is a horrible human being, that being said, I´m starting to like this bastard, mainly because how crazy prepared he is for every situation. In this site called Tv Tropes I found a Guide for Evil Overlords which details what to do to win over the heros and I think Aur read the guide and added a cople hundred advices to the original 100 steps.

Can't really blame him entirely though if he was 'really' really been betrayed but still this is how they roll for revenge.

The way some parts were drawn funnily somehow lessen the darkness of the story for some reason.

[wuhugm]

oh no... the heroine princess was violated

[SoloPanda]

Originally Posted by wuhugm

oh no... the heroine princess was violated

I'm curious as to how and if this will change her character. She looked like she was ready to send lots of people to hell before the Aur did it for her. Perhaps she will become something like a dark knight type character. I just hope she remains the cute and energetic type girl. She didn't seem to lose that quality after she was "violated." That may be due to the mental manipulation causing her to enjoy it though.

[wuhugm]

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

I'm curious as to how and if this will change her character. She looked like she was ready to send lots of people to hell before the Aur did it for her. Perhaps she will become something like a dark knight type character. I just hope she remains the cute and energetic type girl. She didn't seem to lose that quality after she was "violated." That may be due to the mental manipulation causing her to enjoy it though.

hehehe... For me I'm curious what the kingdom will do in retaliation for the "cruel fate" that was imposed on our little princess~

as for her future..... Cute and energetic while beheading intruders~ Yandere much?~

[Velsy]

Wow

Read the 3 chapters over the last few days and I find this very interesting. Its unique that we get to see some evil direction story. Finally a MC whos "legitly" fed up with humans and wants to build his own dungeon of nasties. I guess it might help that I been playing Dungeons 2 over the last 2 weeks, so maybe I've been in the mood of evil dungeons

I know theres probably lots of SJW's who are against this kinda thing like its something toxic. But for me, I am really interested how this story goes. Not many of these around that I know of. Hes willing to kill anyone without mercy that stands against him. Feels unique.

Really interested in how hes going to turn this goodie goodie hero, into a fallen hero who will defend his dungeon. Something like a chaotic wraithful (maybe twisted?) holy avenger would be nice ^_~. Hopefully in chapter 4, we get to see the results O_O

But theres been one thing bugging me.. They keep calling him a Maou. But he's not a Maou, hes a dark wizard like he calls himself. Two different things entirely. Still both can be powerful. He has to be a demon to be a Maou.