(L+CR) Isshukan Friends [One Week Friends]

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by cleo1

You seem to forget that she also has a modus operandi: resetting each week. Painful as that was, he gritted his teeth each week and started over. Than she does a complete reset, and yes, he withdraws. Any normal person would, because it's like being slapped in the face. He doesn't give up though, he becomes friends with her again. And now there's another guy who was a 'special friend'. Kuujo was the source of her memory-loss, so Haze is unsure of what he means to her. And yes, he needs a time-out to deal with it. He's been coping with her defense-mechanism all the time, and now he's the bad guy for having his own defense-mechanism?

The problem is, the way the series is structured made that feel less and less of a problem. The first episodes were genuinely moving in that they focused on how sweet Hase could be when dealing with Fujimiya and how genuinely broken and afraid of suffering she was at the thought she'd forget all about him on Sunday night. It WAS touching. But then it got handwaved away - as the series went in, they all started doing stuff together as if it was nothing. During the summer holidays they didn't make a point of telling us that Yuki and Kaori were meeting every day; the impression was that they'd only meet for occasions like going to the beach. Which is ridiculous: it means Kaori may have had to go out for these things with people she'd literally have just read about in her diary. The handwave explanation was that she was remembering "something"... not facts, but feelings, impressions, faces. But if this much could be enough, why would she be so reluctant to write a diary in the first place? With this, all the source of actual conflict in the anime was removed, it turned into a "cute girls/boys doing cute things" slice of life for a couple episodes.
Of course that couldn't do, so DRAMA! In the form of Kujou and the current conflict. So the problem here is that the series didn't really properly build up Hase being so tired and torn about Kaori. All we saw for most of the series was them being happy together; the worst question was whether he'd manage to declare to her or not. So now of course Hase comes off as an asshole. Either it wasn't that hard after all, and then he IS an asshole, or it was, and then the anime failed at showing us and conveying the feeling of it throughout the series. Either way, this ending is not shaping as well as it could have.

[Quadratic]

The real villains in this show are Japanese school girls.
They can turn friendship into a weapon. A weapon!

[jeroz]

Not a big fan of the whole timeskip and anime original content which trivialised what Hase has gone through during that period of time which left him so defeated.

Oh well, sad that this show is not 2 cour and is made by Brains Base, otherwise we could've have a proper ending. Another show 'ruined' by the tv scheduling and budget issues.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by jeroz

Not a big fan of the whole timeskip and anime original content which trivialised what Hase has gone through during that period of time which left him so defeated.

Oh, interesting. Did they skip some summer stuff?

[jeroz]

Think about it. ep9 they came back from the summer holiday with ep10 immediately after. Ep11 just jumps straight to winter. There bound to be tonnes of stuff skipped in that semester.

[Biohazardous]

Yea I was like huh... winter?

[larethian]

Normally after summer break, there will be a cultural festival in Japanese schools. Pretty much all school settings that take place in fictional stories will make use of this 'event'. So it's quite a clear there's a bunch of skipping. Also, the winter break events are not even collected in the tanks yet.

[Haruyasha]

Originally Posted by larethian

Normally after summer break, there will be a cultural festival in Japanese schools. Pretty much all school settings that take place in fictional stories will make use of this 'event'. So it's quite a clear there's a bunch of skipping. Also, the winter break events are not even collected in the tanks yet.

The cultural festival chapter (chapter 20) is cut. Chapter 19 has also been cut.

The story jumps into the middle of chapter 21.

[Pablete]

Had Hase use all that determination on other girl I'm sure he would have an stable relationship by now. And probably that would make Kaori react a bit... e.e

[FredFriendly]

Originally Posted by Pablete

Had Hase use all that determination on other girl I'm sure he would have an stable relationship by now. And probably that would make Kaori react a bit... e.e

Do you mean as in a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship? Wouldn't happen. He's too much of a wimp to confess, and would just run away if a girl confessed to him.

[Pablete]

Originally Posted by FredFriendly

Do you mean as in a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship? Wouldn't happen. He's too much of a wimp to confess, and would just run away if a girl confessed to him.

>Implying the other girls(Kaori included) aren't wimps as well.

[HandofFate]

Kaori due to her condition just has the mentality still of a 1st grader.
Saki is... 'special'

Hase doesn't have that excuse.

[Miraluka]

There is enough for Hase, it's just that you don't like it or accept it.

He is just unlucky to be male, if he was a She, people would be more forgiving (typical).

[cleo]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

Kaori due to her condition just has the mentality still of a 1st grader.
Saki is... 'special'

Hase doesn't have that excuse.

But that's just it. She acts like a patient, so he has no choice than to treat her as one. As soon as things get too close to comfort, she forgets. It's an understandable mechanism, but cruel, and very hurtful for her friends. Haze doesn't deserve her? He deals with the pain over and over, and keeps trying to get close to her. Is he a wimp because he needs a breather to deal with the pain at times, instead of breaking down in front of her? Without him she'd be forever alone.

[FredFriendly]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

Kaori due to her condition just has the mentality still of a 1st grader.
Saki is... 'special'

Hase doesn't have that excuse.

The other day when people responded to my comments about Hase being a blockhead, claiming that Kaori was just as culpable for the turmoil in their "relationship." I had thought about responding with reasoning along the lines that you suggest, but I just didn't feel like bothering with it. But now that you mention it, I guess I'll put in a few words.

To say that Kaori is just as much at fault as Hase for the rift in their "relationship" is laughable. Kaori's emotional growth pretty much stopped after her accident so, in many ways, she is very much still like an elementary school kid. Nonetheless, she has been putting in an amazing amount of effort into her relationships, not just with Hase, but Saki and everyone else. I cannot imagine what it would be like to have to read a diary every Monday morning in order to prepare myself to face complete strangers who say they are my friends. (And, if you didin't notice, her diary is now up to at least three volumes.) And she does it again and again, every Monday without fail, and still has a very positive attitude. She is putting in an enormous effort to keep her friendships going.

Hase, on the other hand, is acting like a big, spoiled baby. He is no longer acting like a friend, but being cold and extremely rude. All this talk about how Kaori or her mother should be the ones to rescue him from his doldrums is stupid. He needs to come to his own realization that he's being a total #@!%#@%, and apologize to Kaori on his own.

Originally Posted by cleo1

But that's just it. She acts like a patient, so he has no choice than to treat her as one.

Huh? Are you saying that he wanted to play doctor right from the get-go? I know, bad joke, but really, I don't see her as acting like a patient towards Hase.

As soon as things get too close to comfort, she forgets.

Yup, just like clockwork, sometime between Sunday night and Monday morning, things get too close for comfort and, poof, she forgets her friends.

It's an understandable mechanism, but cruel, and very hurtful for her friends.

You seem to be implying that she does this on purpose. Must I remind you that Kaori was the one who told Hase right from the get-go that he shouldn't get involved with her?

Haze doesn't deserve her?

Not now.

Is he a wimp because he needs a breather to deal with the pain at times, instead of breaking down in front of her?

Nope. He's a wimp because that's his nature. Some men just don't seem to have very sturdy backbones.

Without him she'd be forever alone.

And much better off if this is how he's always going to act. But, of course, that's not necessarily true, anyway, as there is always the possibility that she and Kujo get together.

[Miraluka]

I can see your bias resurface once again FredF. it hasn't got any better since Nagiasu.

Hope you don't label Hase as wife beater too lol.

[HandofFate]

I wouldn't be so hard on Hase if he wasn't like this the entire series.
Only reason he hasn't bailed so hard before is because Shogo pushed or pulled him back up. But Shogo can't always be there to save him. I don't think he would have took the first step of 'just trying to be friends' if Shogo didn't give a line or two of advice to him.

In like the two 5-minute alone time between Shogo and Kaori we seen so far, he made more progress and growth in Kaori than Hase the whole series, and from the looks of the last scene in the latest episode, Shogo is going to save the day yet again.

Problem is that Hase and Kaori are both high maintenance, Kaori because of her thing, and Hase because he's so spineless and needy.
If it was a regular relationship with the normal girl, Hase will be the boyfriend that will always continually seek reconfirmation from his girlfriend that he's good enough for her, and if she does care about him or not.

[FredFriendly]

Originally Posted by Miraluka

Hope you don't label Hase as wife beater too lol.

Ha ha. Not going to happen since he'll never get married.

Originally Posted by HandofFate

I wouldn't be so hard on Hase if he wasn't like this the entire series.
Only reason he hasn't bailed so hard before is because Shogo pushed or pulled him back up. But Shogo can't always be there to save him. I don't think he would have took the first step of 'just trying to be friends' if Shogo didn't give a line or two of advice to him.

In like the two 5-minute alone time between Shogo and Kaori we seen so far, he made more progress and growth in Kaori than Hase the whole series, and from the looks of the last scene in the latest episode, Shogo is going to save the day yet again.

Problem is that Hase and Kaori are both high maintenance, Kaori because of her thing, and Hase because he's so spineless and needy.

Spot-on! I couldn't agree more. Especially this bit:

If it was a regular relationship with the normal girl, Hase will be the boyfriend that will always continually seek reconfirmation from his girlfriend that he's good enough for her, and if she does care about him or not.

He is such a weenie whiner.

[Pablete]

^
Same for Kaori, at best she would end in some kind of assylum. I doubt anyone would be nice/stupid enough and spend/waste their time on her only to get nothing in return, not evena smile.

[Quadratic]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

I wouldn't be so hard on Hase if he wasn't like this the entire series.
Only reason he hasn't bailed so hard before is because Shogo pushed or pulled him back up. But Shogo can't always be there to save him. I don't think he would have took the first step of 'just trying to be friends' if Shogo didn't give a line or two of advice to him.

In like the two 5-minute alone time between Shogo and Kaori we seen so far, he made more progress and growth in Kaori than Hase the whole series, and from the looks of the last scene in the latest episode, Shogo is going to save the day yet again.

Problem is that Hase and Kaori are both high maintenance, Kaori because of her thing, and Hase because he's so spineless and needy.
If it was a regular relationship with the normal girl, Hase will be the boyfriend that will always continually seek reconfirmation from his girlfriend that he's good enough for her, and if she does care about him or not.

Yes, the reason he hasn't bailed is because he has...wait for it...friends! (ok, one friend).
It doesn't really matter that he needs a few words of confidence, every now and then, to continue pushing himself to working towards Kaori, since he's doing what no one else has done.
Having said that, Hase does have a lot of tenacity considering he is friends with Shogo.

Saying Shogo makes more progress with Kaori than Hase is a little disingenuous, considering he's her anchor of confidence. Hase's laid the ground work, Shogo's there to open her eyes to reveal the paths Hase has opened.